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'Bring Back Big Roy' 13:58 - Feb 10 with 1169 views

Someone needs to start a campaign/protest at the next couple of home games and the STH Fans Forum to make Mr Cowling sit up and take notice.
I'd do it if i wasn't in the US, anyone interested?
Theres currently a Facebook 'Bin Tony Humes & Bring Back Roy McDonough' Community/group set up, but i think we need more direct, press worthy, action before its too late.

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'Bring Back Big Roy' on 14:37 - Feb 10 with 1160 views

durham_exile

Wrong time to change the manager, transfer window closed, emergency loan period not operational.

No we stick with TH (and the squad) for the rest of the season and hope that the team can secure the 23 more points from the last 18 games.

If anyone were ever to come back I would welcome Parky, but he could just get Bradford promoted this season.

Up the U's

IMHO - social media votes and petitions are both destabilising and undermining.

Support the team instead.

Durham_exile

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 15:01 - Feb 10 with 1157 views

burnsieespana

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 14:37 - Feb 10 by durham_exile

Well said Durham.
We can't just keep changing Manager.
Wverybody wanted Dunne and frankly he was a disaster and that, was my view when he was appointed.
I believe Humes will get it right although we might have to go down first. Think his signings such as Porter been very good.
Never been impressed with Jabo and do not understand why Dunne signed Holman for example.
Roy Mc although great in his time is now totally out of date and frankly yesterday's man.
Social; media sites are cowards ways of getting views across and they are full opf vicious trolls with no backbone apart from being able tro be very rude and as you say destabilising.
Support of the club, players and Management is what is needed.

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 16:54 - Feb 10 with 1143 views

BluenWightExile

Spot on Durham
Spot on Burnsie.

We must trust Mr Cowling and that Humes and the squad can get us the points required.
I am trying to keep faith in that albeit realistically we do not seem to be quite good enough and Mr Humes may be having to learn a fraction too much 'on the job'.

A change now would probably confuse many issues and result in the current status quo.
Our Chairman knows what can be afforded too and what the U's are trying to build could take a long time..................like Rome did.

An unfortunate UK side effect of post-Thatcherism is the requirement of so many to want so much so immediately nowadays. Only those clubs with access to ridiculous wallets can achieve this and not always every time either. We have set our compass and should try to see how far we get.
If we get lost then I am sure Cowling is best placed to analyse a re-think.
We may be frustrated by our hopelessness at Cuckoo Farm and by our inability to string even 2 results together but it's probably connected to what resources we have had for three seasons now and the current battle is a replication of the last 2 seasons. No reason why we shouldn't just about hang in there again.

Up the U's

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'Bring Back Big Roy' on 17:48 - Feb 10 with 1140 views

Sarboy

I never wanted Ward or Dunne, i've never been one for promote from within (unless you already have a system that has been working well, which we never have!)
If you were in business and you weren't doing a good enough job, would your boss keep you on just because it was the wrong time of year? - NO, and football (wether we like it or not is a business nowadays and has no room for sentiment.
My choice of Big Roy is not one of sentiment either.
As you have said, we are outside the transfer window and the emergency loan period give most clubs little or no options, therefore we already have what we can work with, and I have seen nothing so far to prove to me that TH is the man for the job.
He has recently been quoted as saying that'the players need to find belief', which i find a pretty incredible statement, as Man Management is all about giving your staff (in any job) the confidence and belief to be as good (or even better) as their potential, thus resulting in a better overall team performance.
This is where Big Roy would come into his element. In the dark days of the Conference, we never had money or the best players, but we had a TEAM, and one that thrived on the confidence instilled in it by the manager, to be the very best it could.
I know the game has moved on from then, but the parts of the game that have changed (Nutrition, Psychology, Health, Injury Management etc) can be doen by other support staff with the relevant skills, and i'm sure TH isn't doing it all by himself right now!
So not Nostalgia, not Sentiment, but the man with the right skills for the Job in hand.

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'Bring Back Big Roy' on 18:40 - Feb 10 with 1135 views

burnsieespana

Sarboy, sorry but do not agree about your comment about promoting from within because if that happened in business, etc all your best staff would leave.
Confidence and believe has to come from within yourself in my experience after nearly 50 years in Sales in one role or another it can not be implanted by somebody else.
Sorry Sarboy can not either agree about Big Roy. He was able to get the right players at a certain time but would have no idea with the modern young footballer as he would terrify them.
On your basis Alex Fergusson would have been sacked after his first year when frankly he looked out of his depth but look what he eventually did so I say, give Tony Humes a break.

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 20:30 - Feb 10 with 1126 views

Sarboy

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 18:40 - Feb 10 by burnsieespana

So Basically TH is the new Alex Ferguson!! - Maybe if he had the same level of support and budget but i still doubt he'd get close!
The best staff do leave all the smaller companies to get better paid jobs at bigger firms, so thats that one blown out the water as well!
How long would TH last in sales with his current track record? I doubt he'd stay at a telesales job for this long!!!

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'Bring Back Big Roy' on 21:25 - Feb 10 with 1116 views

sevebalo

Nostalgia is almost always rose tinted. Life under Roy was interesting at times but we had plenty of shockers too.

Speaking of which, now 4-1. Oh gawd.

Respect to the faithful in attendance. Safe journey home. Feel free to leave now...get a head start

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 08:42 - Feb 11 with 1077 views

AFCMorant

Humes is the wrong man for the job, clueless and lacking experience. After our next 3 or 4 games we will be completely cut adrift. When Dunne left we had the chance to do what Scunthorpe did and get an experienced manager with a proven track record and contacts within the game, we didn't because Cowling is quite prepared to see us relegated as long as it fits in with his business plan.
No doubt we'll get another page of myopic, ECT induced delusion from the "happy" clique with some meaningless statistics about points per game ratio and how we can reach the play-offs blah blah blah.
I'll be making plans for trips to Barnet, Morecambe and Accrington.

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 11:39 - Feb 11 with 1057 views

gerry_us

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 08:42 - Feb 11 by AFCMorant

Durham Pete mentioned a Tuesday night at Accrington next season at last night's game.
Not too far from the truth at the moment.

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 21:56 - Feb 11 with 1024 views

BFG

Been out of the game for twenty years .. Nostalgia's not like it used to be.

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 18:52 - Feb 12 with 989 views

bwildered

One of the most successful managers the U's have had was promoted from within when Jim Smith moved on ... Bobby Roberts, who had a relegation season but a promotion campaign straight after.

Poll:

No half measure either 1 or 2 ?

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 19:26 - Feb 12 with 979 views

wessex_exile

'Bring Back Big Roy' on 18:52 - Feb 12 by bwildered
One of the most successful managers the U's have had was promoted from within when Jim Smith moved on ... Bobby Roberts, who had a relegation season but a promotion campaign straight after.

I've always thought Bobby Roberts was one of our more (undeserving) underrated managers to be honest. As for Roy - brilliant at the time, total dinosaur these days. We have to stick with and support Tony Humes, that's the bottom line, because we do have a team easily capable of escaping the drop, and already he's shown he actually has a good eye for new players. Sorry Sarboy, won't be joining the "Humes out" campaign myself.

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'Bring Back Big Roy' on 22:06 - Feb 12 with 965 views

noah4x4

As I said in an earlier thread; since the advent of the Premier League; and the U's re-entering the Football League (which in a football context is arguably as a significant as BC becoming AD in a previous divide between ancient and modern history); the U's have had 12 permanent managers. Frankly, that is a ridiculous number.

56% of the subsequent 1040 league matches are attributable to Messrs Wignall, Whitton and Parkinson. Hence the other 9 managers averaged barely 50 perhaps never long enough to change things positively.......except for three.... more about that later!

As regards Roy McDonough; his book is amusing; and his managerial record credible; but he was appointed in July 1991 when in the Conference which we then won along with the F A Trophy. The U's then entered the Football League but by May 2004 he too had been sacked and in June 1994 George Burley took the reins.

McDonoughs 45% win rate was hence largely non-league. His last season in the Football League was almost disasterous. Without taking anything away from the man (as within his era he must have been god like), how is a non-league record comparable with today whereby we play teams that have 17,000 + crowds (like the Blades) and against professionals probably earning more in a week than McDonough ever earned in a year?

Burley then only stayed six months with a win record of 46%. He walked out to join Ipswich. Lambert did exactly the same on 45% + in less than a full season (to Norwich); then we had Boothroyd (45% +) soon off to Coventry. The latter two spent loads of Robbie Cowlings money. So every time that we have EVER appointed a big name manager that has brought us early success in the Football League they spend loads of dosh and then desert us in under a season. As soon as Phil Parkinson had a record of decent wins he too was off.

Then every time we appoint ANY manager with lesser success than these four they leave just as quickly because the fans drive them out. I am beginning to worry that there something inherently wrong with the Colchester United Fan Culture. I must confess that I have only followed the team (home and away) for 13 years - so I have never known the pain of competing below Division One. But on the above evidence, what is the point of signing any manager other than one that will stay just as loyal to the U's as we?

Tony Humes has (at least) made some positive changes in a genuine attempt to get us away from a dire four years. He must be given fair chance. But will he fall on his sword like six before him, or leave after his first taste of success after six months of next season? This question is why I reckon Cowling first favoured Dunne and then Humes - proven U's loyalty - and who can blame him after Burley, Parkinson, Lambert and Boothroyd?

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