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Lack of Quality is sad to see 23:04 - Aug 20 with 4084 views

The key issues of last season are still to be addressed, ie defending at set pieces, creative midfield, delivering wingers and a game plan with tempo and urgency.
Lets all face it we were lucky last season following poor recruitment but this pre season we have really shot ourselves in the foot.
Okay on face of it £32 million for a 32 yr old centre back and an attacking player who don't fit the system seems great business but one is a leader who commands respect from his team mates and statistically one of the best in the league and the other a leader who can get 12 - 20 goals a season.
Today we had no leaders out there and were very pedestrian at times almost like a pre season friendly.
What was needed after last season was plain for me to stay in the league and move forward, unfortunately other than potentially upgrading our strikers though a man light we still need a commanding centre back, a playmaker in central midfield, a winger that can deliver plus another alternative for Gylfi.
On todays performance you can also see that we are not going to score many goals this year as other than the strikers and gylfi it is hard to see many goals from anyone else...I mean Barrow, Montero, Routs and Dyer will be lucky to get 10 between them in this system.
Lucky we still have time in this window but I feel there is little hunger from the board and little time to provide Guido the tools needed to improve...oh well reap what you sow I guess.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:08 - Aug 20 with 3387 views

ParsSwans

Absolutely spot on post

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:10 - Aug 20 with 3373 views

dickythorpe

We're all frustrated with the performance today. It's too early to make a proper judgement on how we'll do.
Baston hasn't played yet and we don't have a "gelled" , settled side yet.

My worries is that it's all going to be down to Gylfi.

My plus point from today is that (and I hope I'm right) as professional football players they will realise today was nowhere near good enough and they learn very early on in the season what they need to work on and improve.

It was a reality check today, I hope they knuckle down!

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:19 - Aug 20 with 3335 views

therealme

We are still paying the price for poor recruitment, its difficult to ship 7-8 players out all in one go

Of the players left- Naughton, Fernandez, Cork, Ki, nobody will convince me these players suit our style but were having to carry them

Francesco's black and white army âšªï¸âš«ï¸

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:20 - Aug 20 with 3327 views

magicdaps10

A creative player who can score goals from midfield

Ziyech
OR
Chadli

Simple.

Plus the obvious centre half, a defender who can defend and put the blocks in ala Ash.............Francesco Acerbi.

It wont come cheap but needs must.

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Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:24 - Aug 20 with 3293 views

Croftyjack

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:10 - Aug 20 by dickythorpe

I am frustrated but my post is the issues of last season that still has not been addressed through recruitment, maybe Guido can coach it but it don't seem that way as yet!.
And when you say the team aint gelled..it was the same players from last season out there other than the striker who is a seasoned pro so should get upto speed quicker than some...all other parts of the pitch is the usual squad from last season so other than playing to your new strikers strengths there no gelling.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:42 - Aug 20 with 3225 views

giantstoneater

Agree with much of that exempt for us still having time in this window it took us the best part of the summer to sign two strikers who were not involved in the euros and are both unfit our main threat comes from two very erratic wingers

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 00:28 - Aug 21 with 3136 views

50pencehead

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:42 - Aug 20 by giantstoneater
Agree with much of that exempt for us still having time in this window it took us the best part of the summer to sign two strikers who were not involved in the euros and are both unfit our main threat comes from two very erratic wingers

Come on people we are Swansea City not 1970 Brazil, as long as we are better than 3 other teams in this division we'll be OK and I'm convinced we can be at least that. To say we are doomed after 180 minutes of league football is what I'd expect from a nob like Savage not from members of the Jackarmy.
The lack of atmosphere at the lib is something I agree with tho and that is NOTHING to do with the players......its down to us.

STID

Feet like a Toblerone

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Huw57

N/A.

[Post edited 18 Jul 2018 0:47]

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Lack of Quality is sad to see on 05:22 - Aug 21 with 2981 views

AussieSwan

N/A. on 01:15 - Aug 21 by Huw57
N/A. [Post edited 18 Jul 2018 0:47]

This. Don't think we'll get both but would love to see it happen

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Lack of Quality is sad to see on 05:22 - Aug 21 with 2981 views

AussieSwan

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 00:28 - Aug 21 by 50pencehead

"As long as we are better than 3 other teams in this division we'll be OK"

Whilst you're correct, I think we should be aiming a bit higher than just 17th. Maybe that's where we are realistically at but this is our sixth season in the Prem and I for one feel we should be lifting our ambitions a bit.

We finished 8th in 2014/15 don't forget

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Lack of Quality is sad to see on 06:55 - Aug 21 with 2935 views

jackal

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 05:22 - Aug 21 by AussieSwan
"As long as we are better than 3 other teams in this division we'll be OK" Whilst you're correct, I think we should be aiming a bit higher than just 17th. Maybe that's where we are realistically at but this is our sixth season in the Prem and I for one feel we should be lifting our ambitions a bit. We finished 8th in 2014/15 don't forget

After yesterday's performance I'd bite your hand off for 17th.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 07:26 - Aug 21 with 2903 views

Tummer_from_Texas

"one is a leader who commands respect from his team mates and statistically one of the best in the league"

Gylfi is our one hope, there, and about the right age to assume that role.

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Lack of Quality is sad to see on 10:50 - Aug 21 with 2661 views

costalotta

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 23:20 - Aug 20 by magicdaps10
A creative player who can score goals from midfield Ziyech OR Chadli Simple. Plus the obvious centre half, a defender who can defend and put the blocks in ala Ash.............Francesco Acerbi. It wont come cheap but needs must.

I'd tend to agree with that. Problem is, its probably a minority view and certainly a view that will likely not be found by those on the board!

Its so freeking obvious IMO but not only that I do wonder if we are actually weaker than last season overall. And that would be an achievement!

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 11:29 - Aug 21 with 2597 views

awayjack

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 10:50 - Aug 21 by costalotta
I'd tend to agree with that. Problem is, its probably a minority view and certainly a view that will likely not be found by those on the board! Its so freeking obvious IMO but not only that I do wonder if we are actually weaker than last season overall. And that would be an achievement!

Whatever way we look at it out squad is weaker than last year and probably the weakest since our first season in the premier league.
- In financial terms so far we're £20m down (or up for shareholders) in terms value of players sold versus bought. Add to last year similar story with more quality sold than bought.
- In player numbers we've shipped out 7 players that started last year and brought in 3 realistic chance of starting this year. Emnes/Tabs who are not seemingly in our plans so not just quality but depth of squad is weaker.
- In terms of player qualities we've sold our captain / leader and our leading goal scorer and either not replaced them or taken a risks on unproven / unfit repayments.

We can listen to the nonsense spouted out by the new owners about not being a 'stepping stone' club but we keep selling our best players and replacing with relative low budget risks. Our rivals have kicked onto a much higher level of in terms of quality and squad depth. We've looked at same level as two teams considered to be relegation fodder. Hopefully loss yesterday will push HJ/Owners to recruit the 2-3 high quality players we so obviously need. Or maybe they'll keep banking the profit on players and take a risk there are 3 teams weaker than us.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 11:40 - Aug 21 with 2558 views

A_Fans_Dad

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 11:29 - Aug 21 by awayjack

The complete "lie" which makes a nonsense of what you have just said is Hull.
They beat us with a "championship" side, no star transfers, only 17 fit in their squad, but they had a plan. One which we have often effectively employed ourselves.
The plan
Defend
Defend
Defend
Defend
Breakaway and score
They have used it twice and won twice.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:04 - Aug 21 with 2508 views

dobjack2

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 11:40 - Aug 21 by A_Fans_Dad
The complete "lie" which makes a nonsense of what you have just said is Hull. They beat us with a "championship" side, no star transfers, only 17 fit in their squad, but they had a plan. One which we have often effectively employed ourselves. The plan Defend Defend Defend Defend Breakaway and score They have used it twice and won twice.

We did it under Monk.

What we need is the quality to break down the teams that come here to do that and to play at a higher tempo against them. Oh and not be such a soft touch at set pieces.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:05 - Aug 21 with 2506 views

dickythorpe

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 07:26 - Aug 21 by Tummer_from_Texas
"one is a leader who commands respect from his team mates and statistically one of the best in the league" Gylfi is our one hope, there, and about the right age to assume that role.

Too much is expected of him everytime he gets the ball. I would rather him not have the burden of captaincy heaped on his shoulders.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:25 - Aug 21 with 2452 views

WxmJax

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 00:28 - Aug 21 by 50pencehead

The lack of atmosphere at The Liberty isn't great and it sounds stupid but when you're down you need that support. I join in with the singing when we're away but on the few occasions I'm in Swansea I don't, probably because I seem to get tickets in the west stand so I'm being a bit hypocritical. It's the camaraderie that you get on away trips when it's a few of you against all of them that binds everyone together. Some people were moaning about The Icelandic Clap and Don't Take Me Home at Burnley but it was loud, it was fun and we scored after we began singing them. It would be great to get them going down The Liberty although I do understand that people might not want to stay and drink all the beer.

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Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:27 - Aug 21 with 2440 views

awayjack

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 11:40 - Aug 21 by A_Fans_Dad
The complete "lie" which makes a nonsense of what you have just said is Hull. They beat us with a "championship" side, no star transfers, only 17 fit in their squad, but they had a plan. One which we have often effectively employed ourselves. The plan Defend Defend Defend Defend Breakaway and score They have used it twice and won twice.

So Hull beating us with a championship team makes my point that our squad is weaker than last year 'nonsense'. Genius.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:29 - Aug 21 with 2421 views

Murph75

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:04 - Aug 21 by dobjack2
We did it under Monk. What we need is the quality to break down the teams that come here to do that and to play at a higher tempo against them. Oh and not be such a soft touch at set pieces.

I think you're spot on with us needing more quality to break teams down. That was very evident yesterday.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:40 - Aug 21 with 2397 views

inspector

personally i think we still would've struggled with ayew and willuams in the side. ayew may have nicked one? who knows.
it was just one of them games.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 13:06 - Aug 21 with 2339 views

A_Fans_Dad

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 12:27 - Aug 21 by awayjack
So Hull beating us with a championship team makes my point that our squad is weaker than last year 'nonsense'. Genius.

Well, let us look at was has been said, the OP was talking about a lack of Quality presumably because we lost to Hull and you say it is because
"Whatever way we look at it out squad is weaker than last year"
We got rid of an aging striker we got on a free who scored 6 goals and a Good player, also on a free who scored 12 goals.
We paid £5M for a direct replacement for Gomis, for another aging player, but with a better pedigree.
We paid a record breaking £15M for a young striker to replace the free Ayew.
We sold our captain, an aging Centre Back and the club has already said it wants to and will replace him.
So just where is the Squad weaker than last year?
The point about Hull is that to win you don't necessarily have to have expensive players, they have beaten 2 Premier League teams, one of which is the current League Champions.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 13:56 - Aug 21 with 2277 views

dobjack2

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 13:06 - Aug 21 by A_Fans_Dad

The thing is baston hasn't replaced Ayew.

We have replaced Eder and gomis with llorente and baston.

Ayew was signed as a goal scoring wideman. We ended up playing him through the middle because our other options weren't working and out wide he got in gylfi's way.

In my view ayew has been replaced on the cheap by giving Nathan a new contract and he won't score the goals ayew did even when he played wide.

So we appear to have improved our central striking options but weakened our goal threat from out wide.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 14:03 - Aug 21 with 2252 views

costalotta

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 13:56 - Aug 21 by dobjack2

100% agree.

And to add... We don't have the supply lines neither. We are weaker squad wise, no doubt.

Lack of Quality is sad to see on 14:05 - Aug 21 with 2247 views

costalotta

Ayew, shelvey, paloschi, ash. None of these have been replaced and that's why we have a weaker paper thin squad. Only takes on or two to be off form and were are bol**cked.

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