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Reply | Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast
at 22:29 29 Oct 2020
You can't reasonably expect all vulnerable to stay sheltered indefinitely,it is effectively putting them under house arrest.in many cases of the elderly that will mean not seeing family or friends before they die.
Are the rules and restrictions pleasant? No they are not,but it is a small price to pay to ensure the most vulnerable of society are not excluded.
Their have also been plenty of covid deaths of people who were other wise fit and healthy. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 17:43 29 Oct 2020
I dont know what you find odd,i have frequented the site regularly for a long time but have never felt the need to post previously.
It was actually the inaccuracies in your own posts on that's his topic prompted me to actually join and post on this thread.
You never know now that i am a member you maybe seeing else where on this site.
Hope you are looking forward to it as much as me.
Yes i know what the facts are with regards to morris,please point me in the direction where i have disputed these
I have continually posted that i am sure if morris is innocent ir guilty.
You have made various attempts to imply that i am a morris supporter,when i am on the fence.
Do i agree with your rationale to be confident in Morris's guilt? No i dont,you seem to have great difficulty having an objective view.
You fail to note the phone calls Mandy made to morris on valentine's day,they would imply affair was going on
You fail to mention stephen lewis also lied about going in the house,but then changed his story to going into every room and even touching the pole.
Or that Stephen lewis said he lite a match to light mandy cooker.it was reported her cooker was electric(spent matches left behind with unknow dna)
Or that his death threat was a joke again he lied(looks like morris wasnt the only one changing his story)
You also fail to mention morris dna is not there but alison lewis was and stephen lewis fingerprint were found in the house.
This is just to name a few
Given the evidence against all parties i think anyone of them would have been given a guilty verdict.
Does that mean the other are innocent?i dont think it does |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 16:15 29 Oct 2020
I am not saying or have i ever said i was at the trial. Everything i have referenced is readily available from various media outlets that covered both trials.The appeal papers are also available on public archive
The media printed each day who was in the witness box,not one reference of Wassell actually speaking,only judge saying to QC Patrick Harrington to stop the line he was taking and the judge advising the jury to disregard.
Even if Mandys sister has discussed with Wassell the attack, again it would be hear say as to witness intimidation,unless the witness this applied to came forward themselves.
So i reiterate again you rely heavily on hearsay yourself to try and add foundation to your argument. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 15:11 29 Oct 2020
It is pointless trying to debate with you,your response is is the same regardless of what is put to you.
You disregard everything that doesn't fall in line with you blinkered view.
I can take on board that there is likely hood of morris guilt due to the various thing against him i e chain,loose alibi.
You on the other hand can not take things on board,you rely heavily on hear say with regards to peoples character whether thats is to morris detriment or in the lewis favour.
When anything is mentioned about the Lewis's you imply as hear say but rely heavily on it with regards to morris
If you would like to answer how Mandys sister was privy to information regarding a case that was 3 years prior that would be great,otherwise its just speculation.
Your colleagues view,sisters opionion or mates wife are actually irrelevant to the case. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 14:11 29 Oct 2020
How would Mandys sister know anymore about the wassell case than Joe blogs.it was years before the murders i have asked you this previously but you failed to answer.
Again you want the system to have failed for wassell but worked for the current verdict
Maybe the system did fail wassell and was correct with the murders,but you should be able to admit the current system leaves massive holes and room for error.
It is also possible that the system was wrong both times or it had it correct.either way there are massive questions around this case.
Morris and Jewell had a turbulent relationship,that is known,there are many people that have these types of relationships,but it does not make them murderers.
There are plenty of murders locked up that had no previous dealings with the police or a history of violence.
Alison lewis did have extensive training using a bo or jo both sides agreed in court that the lack of impact on the surrounding areas were inline with martial arts training. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 13:06 29 Oct 2020
As you have used my post,i feel like some of the comments are directed at me.
I have never said i believe in Morris innocence!!!
Do i feel the case was handled poorly? Yes i do
Do i think morris domestic history with the Mrs has wearing on the case? No
You want the wassell case to be taken into consideration fine,but after that was discussed in court the judge then told the jury to disregard as morris was aquitted and had no bearing to the clydaxh case.
by your reasoning the judicial system failed when they aquitted morris for the wassell attack,but the same system wascorrect in the verdict for the clydach murders.
Your own reasoning highlight that failing of the system,could morris be innocent?yes but he could also be guilty.
You seem to be unable to take anything on board of it doesnt point at morris being guilty ,why is that?
You seem very defensive when the Lewis's are mentioned,again why is that?
You accused me of being Morris sister,just because i pointed out you were wrong in regards to where Mandy Jewell was from.
Maybe it is you has an affiliation with people regarding this case. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 11:38 29 Oct 2020
Maybe it was clear direction as you say, but if so morris would be then be entitled to a retrial or appeal as the judge is not surposed to lead the jury to reach a certain verdict. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 09:06 29 Oct 2020
Actually your wrong!!!!
The second judges sentence was greater than the first,when a retrial is ordered a sentence is not allowed to be greater than the original.
Orginal was minimum of 35 year
Second was life sentence with no minimum term.
Sentence was the reduced to 32years as the second judge hadn't followed correct sentencing.
So yes it was changed to a minimum fixed term but that was because of the error of the judge on the second. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 20:29 28 Oct 2020
In the judges summing up of the case he said to the jury they had seen the murder in the witness box...so yes it is them or him.
If he guilty he's guilty,but if he's not it is one or a combination of the three Lewis's.
So the issues surrounding the lewis are very much relevant to the case.
If morris is innocent at least some of the lewis are gulity.in the same respect if all three Lewis are innocent,then mirrus is gulity.
There is no unknown party that could be the murder with this case |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 20:15 28 Oct 2020
For clarity i am firmly on the fence with regards to his innocence or guilt.
Morris had nothing to lose by requesting the dna was tested.
Not his good chance of getting his conviction overturned.
If it turned out to be his...well he would just stay where he is.He has got to running out of avenues to have his conviction looked at again. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 20:09 28 Oct 2020
A quick google showed there was dna found in 2014 of male origin but had been tested no further.Morris put this to the CCRC in a bid for appeal,asking for ut to be tested afainst him.
The DNA was found on spent matches used to start the fire
a watch placed on mandys wrist
The pole used and the clothes mandy had worn that night.
The CCRC dismissed the case as SWP said that the samples hadn't been stored properly so could not be tested.Wether this is a deliberate act by SWP to hide/hinder evidence or just bad luck for morris is anyobes guess |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 17:01 28 Oct 2020
Affair implies nobody knows so mandy family not knowing about it is a mute point, especially regarding the fact he was her best friends partner.
Killing doris first so she don't recognise him doesn't add either as she was bed bound,if he didn't go into her room she wouldn't of know he was there.it also implies it was premeditated which is not in line with the spurned sexual advance ending in a frenzied attack put across in court.
It also now appears even the jury didn't have all the evidence.
The taxi driver said he saw them st 2-230 am no pubs would have been open. The only pub they would have past would have been at the bottom of the hill that the first original witness placed at least one of them at.
I am not convinced either of the new witnesses are reliable,but doubt pub leavers would of been in the masses given the time of night the taxi driver put the sighting. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 15:01 28 Oct 2020
True but... most murder cases dont have a the same cloud of doubt that this one does or the close police links as possible other suspects.
SWP reputation for miscarriage of justice certainly hasn't helped either. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 14:43 28 Oct 2020
Agreed,but if there has been evidence withheld and a case that hasn't been conducted the best, the jury quit possibly weren't in the best position to judge.
I dont think there will ever be a definitive answer that will stop questions and finger pointing,and morris will more than likely die in prison rightly or wrongly. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 13:40 28 Oct 2020
Realistically speaking Mandys family would have no more insight in to the wassell case than anyone else.It was 2 years before the murders so would not be privy to the finer details of morris vs wassell so to speak.
There is a neighbour of Mandy that says Mandy was scared of Alison and a few friends say she was quite aggressive and controlling with Mandy,but again this is just peoples opinions that hold no weight,just like your mates wife and your colleagues opinion hold no weight.
Battering a grown bloke is not the same as murdering a 2 children their mother and grandmother.
Morris supposedly had a very volatile relationship with jewell,if he were to batter a women to death surely she would have likley been the victim along with possibly her daughter.as far as anyone knows morris had a good relationship with her daughter.
I dont know though i am still firmly on the fence and short of a confession imagine this is where i will always reside |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 13:05 28 Oct 2020
I thought the Wassell case was thrown out.
I dont know much about the wassell case, but do know of Karl and think it was probably two low life waster coming to a head.
At the time karl was a junkie,not that i think this excuses what happened to him,but again i think there is probably more to this story than what is published,alot of what is out there portrays a Karl that i do not feel is a true reflection.
Its not the willingness to use the pole more the fact that nothing but one light bulb was hit other than the victims.
There were no impact marks on the walls or door s. From what i read at the time even the prosecutions own forensic witnesses said this was unusual and implied martial arts expertise. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 12:07 28 Oct 2020
I agree with the majority of your post,other than the reason behind peoples suspicion on the verdict.from what Morris supportors say it seem the lack of forensic evidence is their main motivator.also the lewis own lies i.e stephen lewis denying the threats to kill then saying it was a joke.
Also the martial skill behind the weilding of the pole.most would agree that Morris had no such skills.Also the not testing of a male dna found on the pole,mandy powers clothes that she wore that night and the spent matches used to start the fires.this needs to be put to bed even it it is only to take away the suspicion surrounding the conviction. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 10:28 28 Oct 2020
Like i said previously i am undecided about his guilt,yes he lied,nobody disputes that!!
I didnt actually say there was new evidence so unsure why you felt the need to reference me.
I am unsure of his guilt but i do feelthat SWP handled the case badly.
If they had handled everything better,there would not be this doubt hanging over his conviction if he is guilty.
All involved would have been able to move on with their lives.tge Dawson/power would have been able to grieve with out this being dredged up every few years and Dai Morris daughters and sister would gave been able to move on and distance themselves from this. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 10:00 28 Oct 2020
No i didn't sit through the trial.i was only pointing out that the Efit was released after both parties had been arrested. Maybe it just me but i don't t really see how that helped the investigation.one set arrested and released another due to go to trial then the efit is put out there.
I am undecided as to Dai Morris innocence or guilt as there are lots for unanswered questions and questions over the conduct of the case. You seem to be implying i have affiliation with morris when i dont.
The only thing i dont have an opinion on is lies,rumours and people trotting out their own facts dont help either side.it only serves to muddy the waters further and ensures this will not go away for the Dawson/power family. |
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Reply | Clydach murders
at 09:44 28 Oct 2020
I am not Morris sister but i do know that Mandy Jewell did not attend any school in Swansea,she is from Yorkshire and didn't move to wales until her early twenties after meeting her ex husband.
Mandy Jewell school days have no bearing on the case ,i was mearly pointing out everyone even those who feel in the know generally get things wrong.
I lived by her ex husband and her for reference |
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