| Question Time 23:12 - Dec 11 with 11974 views | reddythered |
Absolutely hysterical.
Russell Brand being made to look a grade A fool; one of his acolytes in the crowd interrupting, making accusations. Even a UKIP supporter made him look like a 6th form student. |  |
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| Question Time on 17:26 - Dec 12 with 1790 views | reddythered |
| Question Time on 16:46 - Dec 12 by quiff |
One of the most simplistic and idiotic things I've ever read on here, impressive!
I'm no fan of Brand, at all - but arguably the Left needs him at the moment. Beyond him and Owen Jones there really is precious little new blood coming through. Like it or not people like Brand get youngsters interested and questioning things. Politics is also increasingly becoming personality based, see Boris and Farage as living proof of that. [Post edited 12 Dec 2014 16:48]
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Owen Jones?
The same Owen Jones humiliated by Andrew Neil et al due to not knowing how income tax actually works? He seemed to claim that someone having an X million house therefore earns over 1m a year!
The same Owen Jones who rambled on about how great a socialist panacea Venezuela was? Such a well run country aside from mere quibbles about human rights. And that pesky about to default thing.
Owen Jones, like Brand, displays nothing other than pithy phrases with no substance behind them. If he and Brand are the best of the left then thank god because Labour will be unelectable for years to come.
Brand gets people interested? Questioning? To do that he'd have to work frm an intellectual basis, able to construct arguments. His shtick is almost entirely "see those bankers? c***s.". And that's about it.
Easy to rabble rouse the way Brand does. Problem is, as seen by that lovely blue haired woman, you end up with rabble following you.
Politics has always been personality based. | |
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| Question Time on 17:31 - Dec 12 with 1785 views | perchrockjack |
quiff.
In response, id say your comments were simply crap..
People and countries do not live within their means and as a result they go into debt ,bad debt and have to be bailed out.
If you cannot understand that then I cant add anything further.
PEOPLE over stretched themselves out of greed very often and got caught out .
If you re gonna borrow ,ensure you can repay if things go tits up. ITS BASIC STUFF REALLY..
The world and people have become impatient ,selfish and greedy and want more than they can afford.
FOOK ME MAN,its that simple..with respect..
LASTLY, many people do not pay off their credit card in full each month. These same jerks/berks will be today shopping for things that their already spoilt kids don't want ,then when the paper wrapping has been sent for recycling, they ll be wingIng about the bill in JANUARY..
The banks blame was to lend to tw@ats in the first place and that includes countries
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| Question Time on 17:46 - Dec 12 with 1773 views | Lord_Bony |
With respect I dont think we re talking about credit card debt.
Brand is talking about the national debt...billions borrowed...by both parties that cannot be paid back...now we face austerity...and the billions flushed down the toilet by greedy incompetent bankers that ruined so many peoples lives..that we the people have to pay back. |  |
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| Question Time on 18:03 - Dec 12 with 1751 views | reddythered |
| Question Time on 17:46 - Dec 12 by Lord_Bony |
With respect I dont think we re talking about credit card debt.
Brand is talking about the national debt...billions borrowed...by both parties that cannot be paid back...now we face austerity...and the billions flushed down the toilet by greedy incompetent bankers that ruined so many peoples lives..that we the people have to pay back. |
I dunno, easy to blame the bankers, less easy to accept that given every Labout government has left the nation in debt when thrown out of office, blaming the bankers solely is a stretch. | |
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| Question Time on 18:04 - Dec 12 with 1747 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 17:46 - Dec 12 by Lord_Bony |
With respect I dont think we re talking about credit card debt.
Brand is talking about the national debt...billions borrowed...by both parties that cannot be paid back...now we face austerity...and the billions flushed down the toilet by greedy incompetent bankers that ruined so many peoples lives..that we the people have to pay back. |
oh for God's sake, greedy incompetent bankers didn't cause the problems.
I don't like the way some of the banks have acted at all - I find it horrific that RBS having been bailed out to such an extent, deem it reasonable to continue to pay large bonuses etc, and I find a lot of the excesses of the City abhorrent to my personal belief system, but the 'bankers' didn't cause it. That is simplistic nonsense floated by people such as Brand because he can't understand the actual reasons for it all. It's easier to stand there and shout 'bankers - bast***s' so that the Question Time audience can give him a cheap round of applause. | | | |
| Question Time on 18:07 - Dec 12 with 1743 views | Lord_Bony |
| Question Time on 18:03 - Dec 12 by reddythered |
I dunno, easy to blame the bankers, less easy to accept that given every Labout government has left the nation in debt when thrown out of office, blaming the bankers solely is a stretch. |
I did nt say that now did I?
I agree both Labour,The Conservatives and The Bankers have maxed out the credit card UK. It is future generations who will have to carry the can for this and pay back the debt.
This is why politicians live for the now and don t worry too much about the future.Thats not their problem. | |
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| Question Time on 18:13 - Dec 12 with 1728 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 17:26 - Dec 12 by reddythered |
Owen Jones?
The same Owen Jones humiliated by Andrew Neil et al due to not knowing how income tax actually works? He seemed to claim that someone having an X million house therefore earns over 1m a year!
The same Owen Jones who rambled on about how great a socialist panacea Venezuela was? Such a well run country aside from mere quibbles about human rights. And that pesky about to default thing.
Owen Jones, like Brand, displays nothing other than pithy phrases with no substance behind them. If he and Brand are the best of the left then thank god because Labour will be unelectable for years to come.
Brand gets people interested? Questioning? To do that he'd have to work frm an intellectual basis, able to construct arguments. His shtick is almost entirely "see those bankers? c***s.". And that's about it.
Easy to rabble rouse the way Brand does. Problem is, as seen by that lovely blue haired woman, you end up with rabble following you.
Politics has always been personality based. |
completely agree with you on Owen Jones - another prone to the easy sound bite to cover up his fundamental lack of any original political thought.
Now Andrew Neil - there is a different story. A genuine political thinker. A man brought up on a sh**ty estate, who educated himself, has done exceptionally well, and thinks deeply and carefully about politics without unnecessary bias or overly simplistic 'answers' to everything. He presented a programme about education for kids that come from backgrounds like his that was very interesting. He is a genuine 'socialist' in my mind (not talking about party affiliations). He genuinely believes that equality means equal opportunity and aspiration for all, irrespective of background, class or money, rather than the 'shout about people who are rich' but only if they're the type of rich people don't like, the 'stuck up' rich, not the ones who are incredibly wealthy due to being good at football, or singing, or comedy.
A lot of 'socialist thought' these days, is standing there and shouting about bankers, or Cameron in much the same way as in the 80s Ben Elton used to stand there and shout 'Thatcher'. The difference is in the 80s that was seen as comedy, now it passes for actual politics. | | | |
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| Question Time on 18:19 - Dec 12 with 1717 views | exiledclaseboy |
Well this turned into a Tory/UKIP love-in.
*waits for main contributors to deny that they're Tory/ukip supporters |  |
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| Question Time on 18:24 - Dec 12 with 1701 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 18:19 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Well this turned into a Tory/UKIP love-in.
*waits for main contributors to deny that they're Tory/ukip supporters |
"And it comes to something when that complete b*****d Farage, who spends his whole life moaning about 'immigrants' while being married to a German immigrant isn't the biggest hypocrite on the panel.
The really terrifying thing is that if the ranting, vacuous nonsense served up by him and his mate 'Bunny' (her of the shouting from the audience fame last night) is the best that 'the left' can muster, we are going to end up with Farage's bunch of racist, homophobic loons getting so many votes next year it makes me want to vomit. "
Given that's what I said earlier in this thread about UKIP you'll forgive me if I disagree with your assessment. | | | |
| Question Time on 18:28 - Dec 12 with 1693 views | Lohengrin |
| Question Time on 18:13 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
completely agree with you on Owen Jones - another prone to the easy sound bite to cover up his fundamental lack of any original political thought.
Now Andrew Neil - there is a different story. A genuine political thinker. A man brought up on a sh**ty estate, who educated himself, has done exceptionally well, and thinks deeply and carefully about politics without unnecessary bias or overly simplistic 'answers' to everything. He presented a programme about education for kids that come from backgrounds like his that was very interesting. He is a genuine 'socialist' in my mind (not talking about party affiliations). He genuinely believes that equality means equal opportunity and aspiration for all, irrespective of background, class or money, rather than the 'shout about people who are rich' but only if they're the type of rich people don't like, the 'stuck up' rich, not the ones who are incredibly wealthy due to being good at football, or singing, or comedy.
A lot of 'socialist thought' these days, is standing there and shouting about bankers, or Cameron in much the same way as in the 80s Ben Elton used to stand there and shout 'Thatcher'. The difference is in the 80s that was seen as comedy, now it passes for actual politics. |
True story this, Lisa: Andrew Neil phoned me at home, circa '83/84, with regards to a letter I'd written in response to an article in The Sunday Times. He said something along the lines of wanting to check my sources before publishing. I gave them, he was happy and gave me a chuckle and a verbal back slap.
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| Question Time on 18:30 - Dec 12 with 1683 views | Lohengrin |
| Question Time on 18:19 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Well this turned into a Tory/UKIP love-in.
*waits for main contributors to deny that they're Tory/ukip supporters |
I've said I enjoyed Boris Johnson's books if that counts? | |
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| Question Time on 18:36 - Dec 12 with 1669 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 18:28 - Dec 12 by Lohengrin |
True story this, Lisa: Andrew Neil phoned me at home, circa '83/84, with regards to a letter I'd written in response to an article in The Sunday Times. He said something along the lines of wanting to check my sources before publishing. I gave them, he was happy and gave me a chuckle and a verbal back slap.
I was a very intense teenager. |
lol
I have a lot of time for Andrew Neil. 'This Week' puts Question Time to shame, particularly coming straight after it where the contrast is so obvious.
He is not afraid to enjoy the good things in life, but has retained a complete affinity and understanding with people who share his background but haven't been so fortunate to be blessed with his ability.
I also find myself thinking while watching it, that one of the people that I was very wrong about years ago was Michael Portillo. Back in the day, I remember sitting in the Department of Education with a bunch of civil service mates, cheering as he lost his seat. I was wrong - he again, is a thoughtful man. I don't agree with all of his politics necessarily, but he is a good sort, who again thinks deeply and rationally about issues and is always willing to listen to others. Dianne Abbot is, of course, a nutter. I like her actually, but she makes me laugh quite a lot about her inability to get through a single show without some reference to 'the people of Hackney'. | | | |
| Question Time on 18:44 - Dec 12 with 1656 views | reddythered |
| Question Time on 18:19 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Well this turned into a Tory/UKIP love-in.
*waits for main contributors to deny that they're Tory/ukip supporters |
Not a supporter in the true meaning, if I vote it would be Tory rather than the other alternatives.
I thought the fact Brand is an utter c**t transcended political allegiances tbh. | |
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| Question Time on 18:53 - Dec 12 with 1642 views | Catullus |
| Question Time on 05:53 - Dec 12 by icecoldjack |
Brand is no fool.
listen to his you tube channel and it gives you a clear insight to what he is about. Question time is a staged media arranged TV show where certain members of the "public" are placed in the crowd to give a certain flavour or to lean towards a certain agenda .
Its no secret Brand is being targeted by popular media like the Sun newspaper etc, all for being a well off guy who wanted t support small people who were getting pushed around.
Im not a huge fan of his but i respect and like the fact that even though he has a few million in the bank he still wants to help working class people achieve some kind of voice against the corporate system, he is trying to help and raise awarness at least , probably black balling his career in the process .
If he was made to look a mug on Question time then it's because the dice was loaded against him, that is how the system works and has done for ages. |
Oh no, Brand is no fool. After all the coverage of his opinions, his book is flying off the shelves.
If anyone really believes Brand is being altruistic, they are definitely fools. People like Brand don't do anything for nothing. | |
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| Question Time on 18:55 - Dec 12 with 1640 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Question Time on 18:24 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
"And it comes to something when that complete b*****d Farage, who spends his whole life moaning about 'immigrants' while being married to a German immigrant isn't the biggest hypocrite on the panel.
The really terrifying thing is that if the ranting, vacuous nonsense served up by him and his mate 'Bunny' (her of the shouting from the audience fame last night) is the best that 'the left' can muster, we are going to end up with Farage's bunch of racist, homophobic loons getting so many votes next year it makes me want to vomit. "
Given that's what I said earlier in this thread about UKIP you'll forgive me if I disagree with your assessment. |
Yes I saw that. You're one of the Tory supporters I referred to. Not UKIP. You reserve the bile for Farage that's seen either from the hard left or the terrified Tory who knows the impact of UKIP splitting the right wing vote.
Nothing to be ashamed of. No one should ever have to deny their leanings. | |
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| Question Time on 19:01 - Dec 12 with 1623 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 18:55 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes I saw that. You're one of the Tory supporters I referred to. Not UKIP. You reserve the bile for Farage that's seen either from the hard left or the terrified Tory who knows the impact of UKIP splitting the right wing vote.
Nothing to be ashamed of. No one should ever have to deny their leanings. |
not remotely ashamed of any political leaning. But I'm not a Tory either.
I have voted Labour more often than anything else, voted Lib Dem and voted Tory once .
If I had to choose today between all of them, I have genuinely no idea, since I think that they are all dreadful.
I would think that the other group of people that show genuine bile toward Farage btw are those that have absolutely no time for his racist, homophobic party, don't you? | | | |
| Question Time on 19:01 - Dec 12 with 1622 views | Parlay |
Current politics in its current guise is so pointless though. Brand is spot on with that. I have never voted in my life for the same reason he alludes to, complete apathy.
Voting feels like sticking your name into the Cauldron of fire in Harry Potter - whether you end up going with huffle-puff or slitherin - makes no difference, its all still a load of bollocks.
And you can take that to the bank. |  |
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| Question Time on 19:03 - Dec 12 with 1619 views | Lord_Bony |
| Question Time on 18:53 - Dec 12 by Catullus |
Oh no, Brand is no fool. After all the coverage of his opinions, his book is flying off the shelves.
If anyone really believes Brand is being altruistic, they are definitely fools. People like Brand don't do anything for nothing. |
If he sells a few more books out of it so what?
The important thing is he is a good mouth piece drawing attention to the plight of many noble,worthwhile causes. Remember,he is not a politician he is an entertainer..and a good one at that.
We need characters like this in politics,especially for the down trodden and forgotten in our society.
I particularly liked his drawing attention to the slaughter going on in Palestine recently. | |
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| Question Time on 19:05 - Dec 12 with 1612 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 19:01 - Dec 12 by Parlay |
Current politics in its current guise is so pointless though. Brand is spot on with that. I have never voted in my life for the same reason he alludes to, complete apathy.
Voting feels like sticking your name into the Cauldron of fire in Harry Potter - whether you end up going with huffle-puff or slitherin - makes no difference, its all still a load of bollocks.
And you can take that to the bank. |
I agree with your sentiment.
The only issue that I have, as a woman, is the knowledge that women died so that I could have the chance to vote (as my Grandmother never tired of saying) and, therefore, I have never not voted, whether it be a general, local or mayoral (or even European) election.
I would prefer a system however, where you could actively vote 'no one'.
Btw - I think you are referring to 'the sorting hat' ;-) | | | |
| Question Time on 19:08 - Dec 12 with 1601 views | Darran |
Lisa Thatcher.  |  |
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| Question Time on 19:10 - Dec 12 with 1596 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 19:08 - Dec 12 by Darran |
Lisa Thatcher. |
ha ha - well this lady's certainly not for turning ;-) | | | |
| Question Time on 19:13 - Dec 12 with 1580 views | Parlay |
| Question Time on 19:05 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
I agree with your sentiment.
The only issue that I have, as a woman, is the knowledge that women died so that I could have the chance to vote (as my Grandmother never tired of saying) and, therefore, I have never not voted, whether it be a general, local or mayoral (or even European) election.
I would prefer a system however, where you could actively vote 'no one'.
Btw - I think you are referring to 'the sorting hat' ;-) |
The sorting hat, of course, knew it didn't sound right. 
Yes, i appreciate our freedom to be able to vote and the right to vote is vital. However exercising that right seems a little pointless currently.
Does anyone actually trust these people in such that actually voting them in will make any sort of difference? | |
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| Question Time on 19:16 - Dec 12 with 1573 views | Lohengrin |
| Question Time on 19:10 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
ha ha - well this lady's certainly not for turning ;-) |
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| Question Time on 19:17 - Dec 12 with 1566 views | Darran |
And do the dishes too. | |
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