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Reply | Denmark 🇩🇰 v England 🏴 Match Thread
at 23:19 20 Jun 2024
No problem with attritional. Some of the most cynical sides in world football have won tournaments. But we can’t complete a 5-yard-pass. Was laughing at Scotland’s 1980s comedy Championship tribute act last night putting balls out for soft corners etc because they couldn’t do the basics of passing out for the back. But we looked bereft. Southgate will get abuse - and after his complacent response to our first match rightly so - but there is something rotten in the state of England and the Denmark match highlighted that. That was QPR away to Millwall bad.
What I can’t work out is whether a) this group of players is monumentally over rated or b) playing for England makes anyone crap. |
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Reply | I hope this is and stays just a rumour.
at 14:56 20 Jun 2024
Broadly agree that clubs (and fans) display similar lack of loyalty as managers.
And also that sacking the manager is often not the solution (except in extreme cases such as Ainsworth). Think an academic did one of those studies that academics do these days and his conclusion was that generally sacking a manager resulted in a brief uptick in form before the club typically reverted to its previous average results.
For clarity, I was being world-weary rather than condemnatory - after Beale left having vowed not to, nothing would shock me very much about a manager's departure and I would chalk it up as being the way of the world.
Where I slightly take issue is that a manager who is sacked has (as far as I'm aware) his full contract paid off, whereas due to changes in employment law the protection for most of us is now almost non-existent. A club left mid-season is often left in a complete mess. |
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Reply | Leaving loftus road...
at 13:03 20 Jun 2024
Surely the essential reasons why none of this will happen is:
Buying more land around Loftus Rd would cost fortunes and not significantly increase capacity or improve facilities to use the ground for other events - so hardly any return on investment.
Buying new land for a new stadium would be prohibitive in this part of town, particularly given a lot of fans stubbornly say they wouldn't continue to support the club if it moved too far away.
The economics of football dictate you are only viable if you are in the premier league, and there the revenue is all about tv rather than fans in the stadium.
For these three reasons I think fans will continue to come up with ingenious plans to buy up gardens in Ellerslie Rd and build road tunnels on SA Rd but in ten years time we will still be sitting in the same crap seats in much the same stadium, probably still being served mouth-scorching pukka pies. |
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Reply | Richards.
at 12:48 20 Jun 2024
Most likely but in the real economy even under these circumstances you can eventually ease someone out, either through redundo or a compromise agreement. I have yet to read a satisfactory explanation as to why football works to such different rules. Even the PFA can't be THAT powerful. Judging by Albert's comments it doesn't appear the rest of the squad has massive empathy with him. |
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Reply | I hope this is and stays just a rumour.
at 12:43 20 Jun 2024
Much as I like Marti I no longer use words like "scruples" in the context of people working in football. The amounts of money involved are simply so great that people who would probably be quite loyal in other areas of life are corrupted. Think it was Clive on here who revealed that Warbs had a number of chats with other clubs while he was with us, yet bar the last six months I naively thought he was pretty committed to our "project".
Am actually quite relaxed about Sunderland as its a bit of a basket case - high expectations but structural problems making success very difficult. The smarter move for him would surely be to think "lets get QPR top 6/8 by Christmas then I can either build on the success or pick up some more attractive offers". |
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Reply | Potential update on Illias Chair...
at 12:34 20 Jun 2024
That might be what Chair is "offering" but (and appreciate I am at risk of becoming about the 99th poster on here to speak confidently yet with complete ignorance about Belgium law) I suspect that is a decision for the judge rather than Chair. |
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Reply | Potential update on Illias Chair...
at 11:32 20 Jun 2024
Great news and a big relief.
Big outstanding question is when the community service will be?
If it could be over the summer, intensively, to get it out of the way, great.
If its 3pm every Sat then we are a bit screwed. |
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Reply | Richards.
at 13:29 18 Jun 2024
Football does seem a bit different though.
Yes it is extremely difficult to get rid of someone who has been signed off sick in the real world, but not impossible. It is laborious and time consuming but ultimately you can get rid of them. I don’t see why it is apparently so much more difficult in football. |
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Reply | Armstrong extended
at 12:03 14 Jun 2024
I see Frey as more of a Matt Smith type striker - useful sub. If he could play like he did against WBA every week happy to change my opinion. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 11:58 14 Jun 2024
I think there is actually quite a lot people TEND to agree on in this thread:
General unhappiness with the Tories
Not massive enthusiasm for Labour
Openness to smaller parties
Even on immigration:
Liberals like me have agreed that immigration DOES result in problems (as well as benefits), particularly for those on lower wages and in poorer areas
Most agree that living standards have remained far too flat for far too long
Where there is genuine difference is whether (like the Reform-type posters on here) you think immigration is the CAUSE of many of our country's ills or whether (like me and a number of others) you think its a symptom of far deeper problems.
As some have concluded, there are no easy solutions: you haul up the drawbridge on globalisation, stop immigration and increase wages - fine. But we still live in a globalised world where the Chinese can pay $1 a day to workers. Its not just foreign workers in this country we have to compete with.
The challenge to me is how do you raise productivity in the UK and create high value jobs which aren't so easy for the Chinese etc to undercut?
To me that means things like:
Encouraging pension funds and businesses to invest in British tech firms - when Britain has had a genuinely really exciting tech company it has in almost every case been swallowed up by a big, usually American conglomerate.
Incentivise investment
Invest in education
Invest in health
Invest in infrastructure
But all these problems are highly complex and the reason I am sceptical of the Farages (and Corbyns) of this world is anyone promising easy solutions probably hasn't understood the problem. |
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Reply | I hope this is and stays just a rumour.
at 09:51 14 Jun 2024
Totally agree. I understand why fans were against selling under previous regimes because we didn't have much faith that we would get the right replacements. But for the first time in years we seem to have some intelligent people running the club. There's no guarantee they will get it right of course, and I am sure there will still be the occasional flop as with any club, but I simply don't see what other option we have. Buying a striker who can score goals is probably the one area in the Championship where its extremely hard unless you can pay a serious transfer fee. And that is probably the single biggest barrier to us progressing. We are going to have to raise funds from somewhere to do that. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 09:45 14 Jun 2024
I thought it was a fair reading of Sheffield's views considering how vehement he was about what he considers the damage to this country caused by immigration, including sexual assaults by certain ethnic groups which I believe were mentioned (I thought by him but apologies if not). Anyway, if I have misrepresented Sheffield's views then naturally I apologise. No hard feelings I hope. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 19:18 13 Jun 2024
But you have given zero credible solutions about how we become more "self sufficient".
Force people (white people I'm guessing would be your preference) to breed more?
Raise the retirement age to 90?
Massively increase wages to get more home grown people back in the work force (your right wing politicians would love that solution!)
Massively increase spending in education and training (ditto to that one, did I miss Sunak or Farage calling for that?)
Turn un-qualified people into doctors and nurses? (Even if we started tomorrow training more doctors it would take at least 7 years for them to qualify)
Stop unemployment pay?
Send someone with a year's wait for an NHS operation back to work?
The NHS has 74,00 vacancies alone - send the immigrants "home" and how many vacancies do you think it would have then?
Brexit/ Reform supporters equate running a country with sounding off with pub-bore slogans. If only it were so easy! |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 14:55 13 Jun 2024
By Brexiteers I mean the senior Conservatives who are running the country. They lied to you that "getting Brexit done" would "control" immigration. It hasn't.
Here's another example: Farage stood under a poster during the referendum saying words to the effect of: "If you don't vote for Brexit, 70m Turks will come to the UK." Leaving aside it was a preposterous claim - obviously not all Turkish people were ever going to come here, and Turkey wasn't even a member of the EU, nor is it going to be any time soon.
But Johnson and co never disowned that poster or Farage's claim.
Since you voted for Brexit there have been a couple of hundred thousand Turkish immigrants to the UK.
And you are absolutely right Sheffield - that was a CHOICE of this Conservative government.
Not of Remainers, not of the EU, not of Brexit, not of the Lib Dems, not of Labour.
So the Conservatives have imposed massive economic harm on the country by implementing the hardest of Brexits AND presided over record immigration.
You couldn't make it up. [Post edited 13 Jun 14:56]
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Reply | 'Marquee' Rs signings who were (successful) 'statements of intent'
at 14:45 13 Jun 2024
Thanks for filling in gaps in my knowledge there Camberley. Yes massive signing. Think he was 29? Trying (and failing) to think of a relatively recent example of similar level players. Maybe not quite a Lampard or Gerrard at 29 but maybe a 29-year-old Jordan Henderson or Declan Rice going to Burnley (ie a newly relegated club). It just wouldn't happen. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 14:38 13 Jun 2024
You have completely sidestepped my question: do you agree with me that the Brexiteers massively lied to you when they said that thanks to Brexit they would bring down immigration? |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 14:15 13 Jun 2024
I do believe in democracy. I believe politicians should deliver what they promise (how old fashioned does that make me!). And if they know they can't deliver it they shouldn't promise it. It is Farage, Johnson and Sunak who promised voters that they would cut immigration and they completely failed, or in the case of the Tories never intended to follow through on the promise. They are the people you should be angry with. They are the people who lied to you. You can hardly blame me for pointing out that literally THE key thing Brexiteers and Conservatives promised in the biggest vote this country faced in half a century turned out to be a whopping lie. Brexiteers can't just say "oops, nothing to see here."
I am not surprised people are angry that they have been lied to, but don't direct that anger at Remainers for simply highlight a simple fact: immigration has gone up, and not just by a little bit, it has soared. And rather than admitting their lie, the Tories are doubling down on it. Sunak is banging on about stopping the boats (he can't even do that) when he knows full well that the boats account for a tiny fraction of the immigrants he WELCOMES in legally.
Now I would say it was always going to be a lie because we were always likely to need immigration, so the promise to cut immigration was a bit like if the QPR board last season had promised us fans we would win the league. In other words, a promise they could never keep. You would dispute that and say the govt could easily stop it but for some reason choose not to do so. Lets agree to disagree on that point. But surely we both agree that the Brexit politicians lied massively about their central claim? |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 13:48 13 Jun 2024
You miss my point. I am saying the people who voted for Brexit and for the Tories at successive general elections to reduce immigration have got the exact opposite of what they were promised.
Its not my job to apologise for that - it wasn't me and Remainers like me making the promise! |
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Reply | 'Marquee' Rs signings who were (successful) 'statements of intent'
at 12:43 13 Jun 2024
Not sure they suit QPR or our budget. Most of the Hughes/ Redknapp signings were washed up superstars looking for a final pay day on ridiculously inflated wages - masquerading as a marquee signings. They were names who no longer had footballing substance.
I agree with the OP about Tony Currie - extraordinary signing, then a current(-ish) England international, from Leeds (still a massive club then). Were we even already relegated or was it the season before? Often wondered how that came about. You can't see us coming anywhere near a player like that these days. |
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