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Should wales be an independent country ? on 19:40 - Sep 8 by Wingstandwood
I was absolutely aghast by the very profound analysis/opinion of journalist Brian Rowan over ten years ago, and he ain't no mug, knows exactly what he is talking about with unique access to dissident Republican sources ! Privy to a lot of information.
He said that mainstream 'troops-out' Republicanism had finally got its wish to finally have troops off the streets, no roadblocks, watchtowers taken down, no intrusive helicopter flights, freedom to go about daily business unhindered etc. Great stuff peace!
The bit that really took me aback was the fact the 'dissidents' are desperate for a return of all the aforementioned, despite the fact many in the the Republican movement had previously fought, been imprisoned and killed to get the troops out anyhow.
Absolute tOssers not too dissimilar to all these extreme elements that we're all been discussing of late. People who do not want others to get on with their peaceful lives, having a gratuitous urge to divide society, desperately making up excuses just to create unnecessary conflict.
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Why don't you celebrate 20 years of peace ?
Beware of the Risen People
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 20:27 - Sep 8 with 1367 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 15:05 - Sep 8 by felixstowe_jack
Scotland runs a huge fiscal deficit and are subsidised by the uk government by the amount of £3500 per person per year.
What currency will they use when independence is gain. They will have to use the euro if the reapply to join the EU. The EU is unlikely to accept a country that does not meet it's fiscal rules. They made that mistake with Greece.
The UK will always be stronger together even though England would be far better off without the other 3 countries which all need subsidies from UK taxpayers.
Are you sure that England would be better off without Scotlands oil ?
Ireland dont seem to be struggling with the Euro ? The EU would love Scotland back.
Re Brexit. "Irish income per capita (GNI) rose from €13,934 in 1995 to €40,655 in 2018 — 192 per cent growth. In contrast,UK income per capita rose from £21,716 in 1995 to £30,594 in 2018 — growth of roughly 41 per cent". This trend will continue @FThttps://t.co/xf9S6D9S5s
Should wales be an independent country ? on 20:28 - Sep 8 by Kilkennyjack
Are you sure that England would be better off without Scotlands oil ?
Ireland dont seem to be struggling with the Euro ? The EU would love Scotland back.
Re Brexit. "Irish income per capita (GNI) rose from €13,934 in 1995 to €40,655 in 2018 — 192 per cent growth. In contrast,UK income per capita rose from £21,716 in 1995 to £30,594 in 2018 — growth of roughly 41 per cent". This trend will continue @FThttps://t.co/xf9S6D9S5s
The EU would never accept Scotland back unless it meets the EU fiscal rules and adopts the Euro as you well know. Spain would veto the application as it would set a precedence for the regions in Spain who want independence.
Good to see nicola has betrayed scottish fishermen by announcing EU fishermen should be allowed to fish in scottish waters.
Should wales be an independent country ? on 22:40 - Sep 8 by Kilkennyjack
But its been 20 years of peace.
People not buying into it have lost. Good.
Its not 20 days, its 20 years of peace.
That fat posh boy Johnson is risking the hard won peace by ripping up international law. He is not fit to govern.
Mainly peace but too many riots every marching season by both the Republican and unionist side. Plus there are still sectarian killings going on in NI.
Should wales be an independent country ? on 18:23 - Sep 9 by felixstowe_jack
Mainly peace but too many riots every marching season by both the Republican and unionist side. Plus there are still sectarian killings going on in NI.
What is so absolutely fantastic is the thing called 'the peace dividend' and positives of, making people doubly determined never, ever, ever to return to the bad old days.
The futility of the dissidents direction is rather surreal! Their stupidity to carry on is black comedy stuff. Unlike the 1970's-80's and 90's.... There's high-def CCTV technology everywhere i.e. security force, commercial and civilian. Add to that stuff like number plate/facial recognition, night vision capability, infra red alarms and security lighting all making a terrorists task even more difficult.
To top that even further modern advancement of hidden-electronic surveillance, mini-drones, and 'jarking/tracking/bugging' methods. No need to have covert teams dug in for days on end, just place a 'device' and monitor movement(s) from afar.
The 'magnificent' of 'Stenigot certificate standard' are there to help control the high ground even further by placing the latest surveillance gadgetry on those rather out of reach surveillance 'high-points'.
Should wales be an independent country ? on 18:21 - Sep 9 by felixstowe_jack
The EU would never accept Scotland back unless it meets the EU fiscal rules and adopts the Euro as you well know. Spain would veto the application as it would set a precedence for the regions in Spain who want independence.
Good to see nicola has betrayed scottish fishermen by announcing EU fishermen should be allowed to fish in scottish waters.
You need to read more.
So .... the Spanish regions are ... well ... regions. Scotland is a nation. Scotland is not a region.
Please confirm that you understand this because its very important.
Beware of the Risen People
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 23:34 - Sep 9 with 1183 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 18:23 - Sep 9 by felixstowe_jack
Mainly peace but too many riots every marching season by both the Republican and unionist side. Plus there are still sectarian killings going on in NI.
Yes, there are sectarian incidents and as I’ve said before carried on by those who desire to continue the hatred, but it’s nothing at all that’s noticeable. You would find as many sectarian ‘Type’ incidents in Glasgow, ok not as many deaths, and these are few, Ireland is a safe place to be and a safe place to live. The young are fighting hard to educate and move forward this fantastic island, and they are winning. It’s the old bastards who chip in now and again and they are dying off, there will always be issues here but nowhere near what it was like.
Should wales be an independent country ? on 20:28 - Sep 8 by Kilkennyjack
Are you sure that England would be better off without Scotlands oil ?
Ireland dont seem to be struggling with the Euro ? The EU would love Scotland back.
Re Brexit. "Irish income per capita (GNI) rose from €13,934 in 1995 to €40,655 in 2018 — 192 per cent growth. In contrast,UK income per capita rose from £21,716 in 1995 to £30,594 in 2018 — growth of roughly 41 per cent". This trend will continue @FThttps://t.co/xf9S6D9S5s
So how come the so called proud Irish republic had the begging bowl out for so many years during that time then as a net receiver of EU ( i.e us) funds?
And how come the UK and other countries had to bail them out financially when their economy crashed into crisis despite decades of the UK / Welsh taxpayer subsidising them anyway?
Shouldn't you be just a touch annoyed that Welsh taxpayers were constantly subsidising the 'Tiger economy' over the water whilst it seems that their income per capita was far larger than ours.
Perhaps you might finally be grasping just one of the reasons why Wales voted out of the EU through your own example.
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 23:48 - Sep 9 with 1174 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 23:41 - Sep 9 by BarrySwan
So how come the so called proud Irish republic had the begging bowl out for so many years during that time then as a net receiver of EU ( i.e us) funds?
And how come the UK and other countries had to bail them out financially when their economy crashed into crisis despite decades of the UK / Welsh taxpayer subsidising them anyway?
Shouldn't you be just a touch annoyed that Welsh taxpayers were constantly subsidising the 'Tiger economy' over the water whilst it seems that their income per capita was far larger than ours.
Perhaps you might finally be grasping just one of the reasons why Wales voted out of the EU through your own example.
Are you not well ?
The UK has never owed more money than it does today.
Boris Johnson’s new “rule of six” for gatherings is crucial for avoiding a second lockdown and saving the UK economy, as Britain’s national debt passed £2 trillion for the first time https://t.co/s5Wjacc5af
Should wales be an independent country ? on 23:48 - Sep 9 by Kilkennyjack
Are you not well ?
The UK has never owed more money than it does today.
Boris Johnson’s new “rule of six” for gatherings is crucial for avoiding a second lockdown and saving the UK economy, as Britain’s national debt passed £2 trillion for the first time https://t.co/s5Wjacc5af
I'm fine thank you and as you clearly demonstrate.
The UK cannot and never could afford to subsidise a foreign country on our doorstep which you tell us has a higher income per capita than ourselves.
You illustrate exactly why we have done so well to pull out of the EU and the absurdity of us handing over £billions that we have have had to borrow year in year out just to hand over to the likes of Ireland.
Surely our affluent neighbours should be giving us a helping hand to ease our financial woes as we have done for them for so many decades? Thank goodness you are on hand to put a word in for us using the figures that you have posted up as a basis for that much needed help.
Perhaps if Ireland might like to hand some of the cash back that we propped them up with over the years with we might be able to make a start on that nasty looking debt mountain.
How come I've never seen you in the past demanding that the EU hand out money to the UK (net of our own contribution) from countries such as Ireland which apparently have been doing so well compared to ourselves?
And why has such an affluent country as Ireland recently been squealing about how much it has been asked to contribute to the EU coffers now that the UK has left and is on the point of ceasing to hand over even more borrowed £billions?
Oh and by the way I note that you failed to answer my question, an oversight I'm sure, I'll ask it again;-
'So how come the so called proud Irish republic had the begging bowl out for so many years during the time then as a net receiver of EU ( i.e our) funds? if it was doing so fantastically well?'
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 08:51 - Sep 10 with 1131 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 15:05 - Sep 8 by felixstowe_jack
Scotland runs a huge fiscal deficit and are subsidised by the uk government by the amount of £3500 per person per year.
What currency will they use when independence is gain. They will have to use the euro if the reapply to join the EU. The EU is unlikely to accept a country that does not meet it's fiscal rules. They made that mistake with Greece.
The UK will always be stronger together even though England would be far better off without the other 3 countries which all need subsidies from UK taxpayers.
What a horrendous take on the matter. If England are so unhappy about subsidising the other countries in the UK, then why are they so desperate to hold the union together? The UK is 1.7 tn in debt! As for the fiscal deficit (Yes the initial years maybe challenging) but knocking 5bn off the fiscal deficit could be solved by actually charging for the water sent over the border? What about ourtaxes also? Do we not pay tax in Wales? We could also start by making use of our exports (it's worth 17.2bn). If we follow the 'Irish' model then Wales would be far better off without Westminster's so called 'charity'
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 08:57 - Sep 10 with 1130 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 23:27 - Sep 9 by Kilkennyjack
You need to read more.
So .... the Spanish regions are ... well ... regions. Scotland is a nation. Scotland is not a region.
Please confirm that you understand this because its very important.
I think the spanish regions would also consider themselves countries. Just depends who you ask . After all the were all separate nations before spain became one country in 1492.
Wales has been part of Britain a lot longer than that.
Should wales be an independent country ? on 08:51 - Sep 10 by CCFCTOM
What a horrendous take on the matter. If England are so unhappy about subsidising the other countries in the UK, then why are they so desperate to hold the union together? The UK is 1.7 tn in debt! As for the fiscal deficit (Yes the initial years maybe challenging) but knocking 5bn off the fiscal deficit could be solved by actually charging for the water sent over the border? What about ourtaxes also? Do we not pay tax in Wales? We could also start by making use of our exports (it's worth 17.2bn). If we follow the 'Irish' model then Wales would be far better off without Westminster's so called 'charity'
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The UK wants to keep the UK together because it is the wishes of the people of Scotland, NI and Wales who all voted to remain part of the UK in recent referendum. It is called democracy.
Spain was not always one country, until the Habsburgs. So those regions are, well, former countries who may want indepedence. Catalonia definitely does lean towards indy. You cannot dismiss a former country as a region because it suits your argument.
Scotland isn't a region but it is a fully signed up member of the UK and Scotland did sign up, it wasn't conquered and absorbed, they signed up to the political union in 1707.
I understand though, you aren't a fan of old or ancient laws,unless they back up your argument. Read about the statute of Rhuddlan yet have you?
Should wales be an independent country ? on 09:01 - Sep 10 by felixstowe_jack
The UK wants to keep the UK together because it is the wishes of the people of Scotland, NI and Wales who all voted to remain part of the UK in recent referendum. It is called democracy.
Westminster will do whatever it takes to stop Scotland becoming independent! Especially now because there's a high chance that Scotland would vote to leave. They'll do exactly the same in 5 or so years when the Welsh public finally come to their senses. No such thing as democracy in the UK, that's why we vote labour and end up with a Tory government. The Empire is over and it's something that I think a fair few people will need counselling for
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 09:42 - Sep 10 with 1119 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 09:28 - Sep 10 by CCFCTOM
Westminster will do whatever it takes to stop Scotland becoming independent! Especially now because there's a high chance that Scotland would vote to leave. They'll do exactly the same in 5 or so years when the Welsh public finally come to their senses. No such thing as democracy in the UK, that's why we vote labour and end up with a Tory government. The Empire is over and it's something that I think a fair few people will need counselling for
Scotland voted to remain in last referendum which was agreed would settle the matter for many years. That was democracy. Wales clearly rejected independence in the 1979 referendum. That was democracy. Even as recently as this year in a Wales online pole only 25% wanted independence.
The fact that wales votes labour is irrelevant it is a UK parliament. In previous years the English voted conservatives but because Wales and Scotland voted for labour Tony blair got in. That was democracy and he won a few more elections. That is called democracy.
The only people who don't think it is democracy are the people who lost.
Accept the will of the UK people at the ballot box please.
Should wales be an independent country ? on 09:28 - Sep 10 by CCFCTOM
Westminster will do whatever it takes to stop Scotland becoming independent! Especially now because there's a high chance that Scotland would vote to leave. They'll do exactly the same in 5 or so years when the Welsh public finally come to their senses. No such thing as democracy in the UK, that's why we vote labour and end up with a Tory government. The Empire is over and it's something that I think a fair few people will need counselling for
No such thing as democracy? No, it's not like the Tories won the most seats so won the right to form the government.
The UK has a Tory government but here in Wales we voted Labour and got a Labour government.
Are you another one who only thinks it democracy when you get what you voted for? Maybe you should remember that Cardiff actually voted NO to devolution.
5 years you think, that Wales will come it's senses? Even Kilk isn't that optimistic.
Should wales be an independent country ? on 09:42 - Sep 10 by felixstowe_jack
Scotland voted to remain in last referendum which was agreed would settle the matter for many years. That was democracy. Wales clearly rejected independence in the 1979 referendum. That was democracy. Even as recently as this year in a Wales online pole only 25% wanted independence.
The fact that wales votes labour is irrelevant it is a UK parliament. In previous years the English voted conservatives but because Wales and Scotland voted for labour Tony blair got in. That was democracy and he won a few more elections. That is called democracy.
The only people who don't think it is democracy are the people who lost.
Accept the will of the UK people at the ballot box please.
If the Scots want a referendum to decide 6 years later on then it should be granted? It should not be the choice of the 'English' government in Westminster but the choice of the 'Scottish' government in Scotland... This isn't democracy that you speak of? It undermines the whole point of devolution. Wales will see a surge in favor of independence once the Scots do it, i'm confident of this. You'd do well to remember that the UK was created by force and not by 'democracy'
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 10:14 - Sep 10 with 1109 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 09:59 - Sep 10 by Catullus
No such thing as democracy? No, it's not like the Tories won the most seats so won the right to form the government.
The UK has a Tory government but here in Wales we voted Labour and got a Labour government.
Are you another one who only thinks it democracy when you get what you voted for? Maybe you should remember that Cardiff actually voted NO to devolution.
5 years you think, that Wales will come it's senses? Even Kilk isn't that optimistic.
How many Tories won their seats in Wales? Remind me? Wales has never voted for a Tory government in my lifetime and has still ended up with one... It shows the UK doesn't work as we always get what 'England' votes for. Is that real democracy? Would the people of Belgium be happy with a government they didn't vote for (should they be in union with France) ? Cardiff will always be more oppose to Indy as it is closer to the border (attracting a lot more English people) However, there are also the union lovers from Cardiff also (old people mainly). I'm confident though that in 5-10 years Wales will have removed the leech
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 10:19 - Sep 10 with 1106 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 10:07 - Sep 10 by CCFCTOM
If the Scots want a referendum to decide 6 years later on then it should be granted? It should not be the choice of the 'English' government in Westminster but the choice of the 'Scottish' government in Scotland... This isn't democracy that you speak of? It undermines the whole point of devolution. Wales will see a surge in favor of independence once the Scots do it, i'm confident of this. You'd do well to remember that the UK was created by force and not by 'democracy'
Oh CCFCTOM, Scotland joined the Union willingly, it was the only country that did, do you know of the Act of Union, 1st of May 1707?
It was decided by high end politicians and individuals though? Not by the will of the people... I wouldn't say it was as 'willing' as you like to make out
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Should wales be an independent country ? on 15:22 - Sep 10 with 1062 views
Should wales be an independent country ? on 10:14 - Sep 10 by CCFCTOM
How many Tories won their seats in Wales? Remind me? Wales has never voted for a Tory government in my lifetime and has still ended up with one... It shows the UK doesn't work as we always get what 'England' votes for. Is that real democracy? Would the people of Belgium be happy with a government they didn't vote for (should they be in union with France) ? Cardiff will always be more oppose to Indy as it is closer to the border (attracting a lot more English people) However, there are also the union lovers from Cardiff also (old people mainly). I'm confident though that in 5-10 years Wales will have removed the leech
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You are looking at it from the wrong point of view though, a biased, anti English point of view. Westminster is the UK government, not the English government. There are many Welsh voters living in England as there are non Welsh voters living in Wales.
The Westminster government was voted in by the people of the UK and of course, we saw the Tories make massive gains in Wales last GE.
Of course when Labour first stood in GE's they would have won hardly any seats and failed dismally if not for the people of Wales. These days politics is about more than left or right!
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