| Lack of signings 17:34 - Aug 20 with 5357 views | huwrichards57 |
Has any club in the EFL not made a signing since, what, early July? |  | | |  |
| Lack of signings on 17:26 - Aug 23 with 1274 views | Dr_Winston |
| Lack of signings on 17:20 - Aug 23 by Treforys_Jack |
Exactky this, the bloke is a moron if he believes was he says, or is he just trying to get fans on the owners backs. |
It's an easy way to win plaudits from the hard of thinking.
There are many reasons to criticise ownership. Lack of spending isn't one of them. We've consistently spent right up to (and lately over) our limits. The figures are there in black and white for free on the Companies House website.
Football fans never want to spend less, even those who support a club that's nearly gone to the wall twice for overspending as we have. The absolute last thing we should be doing if we're already £13m in hock is spending more.
If Martin is grumbling about having no money perhaps he needs to consider why we spent the best part of £2m on a defender and keeper we didn't need. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 17:27]
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| Lack of signings on 19:00 - Aug 23 with 1183 views | STID2017 |
| Lack of signings on 09:26 - Aug 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
No idea why this is a sticky.
But why does it matter what month business was done?
People moan when we do late business and now moaning when we have done early business.
This season:
1. Burnley £18.05m
2. Norwich £12.96m
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3. Hull City £10.35m
4. Boro £5.94m
5. Watford £5.22m
6. Sheff Utd £4.05m
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7. Sunderland £3.38m
8. Blackburn £2.66m
9. Swansea £2.37m (plus Joe Allen)
10. Millwall £2.25m
11. Luton £1.9m
12. WBA £900k
13. Huddersfield £846k
14. Cardiff £590k
15. Stoke City £0
16. Birmingham £0
17. Blackpool £0
18. Coventry £0
19. Bristol City £0
20. Preston £0
21. QPR £0
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22. Reading £0
23. Rotherham £0
24. Wigan £0
This season and last season combined in the Championship:
1. Burnley £18.05
2. Middlesbrough £16.24m
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3. Norwich £12.96m
4. Hull £11.35m
5. WBA £8.67m
6. Swansea £7.95m
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7. Watford £5.22m
8. Sheff Utd £4.28m
9. Stoke £4.19m
10. Blackburn £3.88m
11. Millwall £3.87m
12. Sunderland £3.38m
13. Luton £1.9m
14. Blackpool £1.8m
15. QPR £1.64m
16. Bristol C £1.44m
17. Preston £1.26m
18. Coventry £1.08m
19. Huddersfield £846k
20. Cardiff £590k
21. Birmingham £0
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22. Rotherham £0
23. Reading £0
24. Wigan £0
And fans are demanding EVEN MORE despite the predicament we are in. All just to give to a sub par manager to get himself out of a hole that his system has got us into - and will likely continue to get us into.
This latest narrative that we are somehow hard done by is just ludicrously out of touch with reality. We have a budget and spend money that most of the league can only dream of. Some haven’t spent a single penny in years on transfers.
For shame. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 9:52]
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Looking at those lists it incredible the difference in spending between the two South Wales clubs, especially considering they currently sit in the top half.
Of course a long way to go and also not sure of the market value comparisons of both squads if sold, but think Morrison has achieved a decent squad for not much outlay ( not sure about wages and agents fees though) |  |
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| Lack of signings on 19:16 - Aug 23 with 1162 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Lack of signings on 19:00 - Aug 23 by STID2017 |
Looking at those lists it incredible the difference in spending between the two South Wales clubs, especially considering they currently sit in the top half.
Of course a long way to go and also not sure of the market value comparisons of both squads if sold, but think Morrison has achieved a decent squad for not much outlay ( not sure about wages and agents fees though) |
Wages have to be taken into account. Romain Sawyers, Marlon Romeo, Jack Simpson Alsop, ODowda, Rinamhota will all be on good deals. |  |
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| Lack of signings on 19:24 - Aug 23 with 1147 views | guthrieintherain |
| Lack of signings on 19:16 - Aug 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Wages have to be taken into account. Romain Sawyers, Marlon Romeo, Jack Simpson Alsop, ODowda, Rinamhota will all be on good deals. |
As do sales rarely they sell a player that generates the money we have sold players for. | |
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| Lack of signings on 19:38 - Aug 23 with 1125 views | jasper_T |
| Lack of signings on 17:05 - Aug 23 by guthrieintherain |
Come on put a sales column with a net spend as well.Only tells half the story otherwise.
We have recently sold
Downes
Rodon
Go back a bit further James and Ollie B.
Some clubs have not received much at all from sales so it's very relevant.
Not trying to defend Russ but painting a false picture is pointless. |
We'll need to sell a Downes/Rodon every season to maintain the sorts of spending most fans/managers seem to expect. The DJ and McBurnie money mostly went to pay off outstanding bills from the PL, since the first summer firesale didn't recoup nearly enough to cover it.
Net spend still tells less than half the story. Need every club's wage bill and debtors vs creditors in there as well. | | | |
| Lack of signings on 19:54 - Aug 23 with 1117 views | guthrieintherain |
| Lack of signings on 19:38 - Aug 23 by jasper_T |
We'll need to sell a Downes/Rodon every season to maintain the sorts of spending most fans/managers seem to expect. The DJ and McBurnie money mostly went to pay off outstanding bills from the PL, since the first summer firesale didn't recoup nearly enough to cover it.
Net spend still tells less than half the story. Need every club's wage bill and debtors vs creditors in there as well. |
Yes I agree but just showing transfer fees spent doesn't tell a us much either.
If we sell Piroe and Downes that could be close to 25m combined.
Just showing net spend without fees received and wages is a bit lobsided.
How much do you think the likes of Rotherham, Cardiff, Preston and Luton for eg have received.
My guess would be you could combine the 4 together and it would be less than us.
I do appreciate we need to sell to stay on an even keel by the way. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 20:00]
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| Lack of signings on 23:04 - Aug 23 with 1011 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Lack of signings on 16:08 - Aug 23 by Kerouac |
Martin had;
Bennett,
Cabango,
Naughton,
Latibeaudiere
& Cooper
...as centre-backs (he used Manning there too)
+ two loans of...
Williams,
Burns
....and we leaked goals like buggery.
He said we leaked goals because the defenders he had weren't good enough.
Some of us said we leaked goals because of his ludicrous 'system'.
So Martin then chose to buy two centre backs leaving him with...
Darling - £2m
Wood - £300k
Bennett, - freezed him out
Cabango,
Naughton,
Latibeaudiere
& Cooper freezed him out
...and we are still leaking goals like buggery.
If he had continued to play Bennett he could have saved 1 transfer fee and 1 wage.
He could have used that money to purchase a Right-Wing-Back.
If he had chosen to play a flat back four and keep what he had that would have left him with...
RB - Latibeaudiere
CB - Naughton
CB - Cabango
CB - Bennett
CB - Cooper
LB - Manning
Add up Darling, Wood and Sorinola's transfer fees and what have you got?
£2.5m ish and 3 wages
He could have used that money to sign a right-wing back and left wing-back with pace (so we had options to play them on the wing if the situation required or switch to Martin's system if he thought 4 at the back wasn't working)...and enough left over to purchase a centre-midfielder (so we had Grimes, Allen, Fulton and another).
We'd be in a far healthier position.
If he had kept Hamer and gave Benda his head he wouldn't have needed to sign Fisher...saving us £400k transfer fee and £10.5k a week.
More than enough to have loaned a decent young Premier League striker for the season to put pressure on the front two.
This is his mess. |
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| Lack of signings on 23:25 - Aug 23 with 990 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Lack of signings on 17:05 - Aug 23 by guthrieintherain |
Come on put a sales column with a net spend as well.Only tells half the story otherwise.
We have recently sold
Downes
Rodon
Go back a bit further James and Ollie B.
Some clubs have not received much at all from sales so it's very relevant.
Not trying to defend Russ but painting a false picture is pointless. |
Net spend, as I’ve always said, is complete nonsense.
Martin has lost Downes this season. That’s it. One player.
Net spend by manager:
Potter: -£39.69m
Cooper: -£48.54m
Martin: -£6.03m
This doesn’t include loan fees, expensive free transfers such as Joe Allen, Pato and Ntcham.
Again he’s simply lost 1 player this season.
He’s living in comparative luxury. [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 8:00]
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| Lack of signings on 23:48 - Aug 23 with 976 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Salary comparison (loan salaries not included):
1. Watford £35.70m
2. Norwich £26.37m
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3. Burnley £24.25m
4. WBA £18.86m
5. Stoke City £12.40m
6. Bristol City £11.74m
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7. Swansea £10.42m
8. Sheff Utd £10.33m
9. Birmingham £9.64m
10. Cardiff £8.98m
11. Boro £8.85m
12. QPR £7.85m
13. Huddersfield £7.12m
14. Preston £6.67m
15. Blackburn £5.94m
16. Millwall £5.54m
17. Wigan £5.42m
18. Luton £5.24m
19. Reading £5.07m
20. Blackpool £4.50m
21. Coventry £4.41m
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22. Sunderland £4.09m
23. Hull £3.53m
24. Rotherham £2.12m
Again, the guy is living in comparative luxury. He should be getting us 6th-8th regardless, then moaning he can’t kick on due to no more funds. I’d accept that.
But being 20th after finishing 15th last season with one of the biggest budgets in the league after only losing ONE player and bringing in almost a whole squad.
Don’t make me laugh. Enough excuses. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 23:49]
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| Lack of signings on 01:08 - Aug 24 with 950 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Lack of signings on 19:00 - Aug 23 by STID2017 |
Looking at those lists it incredible the difference in spending between the two South Wales clubs, especially considering they currently sit in the top half.
Of course a long way to go and also not sure of the market value comparisons of both squads if sold, but think Morrison has achieved a decent squad for not much outlay ( not sure about wages and agents fees though) |
Agreed.
Estimated squad value:
1. Norwich £105.12m
2. Watford £101.97m
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3. Sheff Utd £76.95m
4. WBA £65.75m
5. Boro £58.32m
6. Burnley £53.01m
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7. Stoke £40.73m
8. Preston £38.79m
9. Blackburn £37.76m
10. Swansea £37.53m
11. QPR £37.17m
12. Hull £34.2m
13. Reading £30.6m
14. Bristol C £29.97m
15. Millwall £29.03m
16. Cardiff £26.96m
17. Luton £26.96m
18. Coventry £24.26m
19. Birmingham £23.9m
20. Sunderland £20.7m
21. Huddersfield £20.52m
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22. Blackpool £18.41m
23. Wigan £16.43m
24. Rotherham £11.46m
Average value per player at each club (will give a better reading of the value of the first team).
1. Watford £3.52m
2. Norwich £3.39m
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3. WBA £3.13m
4. Sheff Utd £2.85m
5. Boro £2.43m
6. Burnley £1.96m
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7. Blackburn £1.72m
8. Swansea £1.71m
9. Preston £1.69m
10. Stoke £1.45m
11. QPR £1.43m
12. Millwall £1.32m
13. Reading £1.28m
14. Hull £1.18m
15. Bristol C £1.11m
16. Birmingham £1.09m
17. Cardiff £998k
18. Coventry £993k
19. Luton £929k
20. Sunderland £900k
21. Huddersfield £789k
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22. Blackpool £708k
23. Wigan £657k
24. Rotherham £466k
Taking all of these things into consideration, even the most one eyes Russell Martin fanatic should be able to admit that he is an extremely privileged manager in this division.
In the top 10 in assets, spend, budget, squad value, average player value, salary - you name it.
To pretend all he can muster is 15th and 20th and is so hard done by financially is a joke and does our club a massive disservice.
Sadly it’s becoming RussellMartin FC and not Swansea City FC.
People are becoming more than happy to run the club down if it saves Russell some blushes, the bloke with no affinity to the club and probably couldn’t care less the minute he’s out the door. | |
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| Lack of signings on 05:41 - Aug 24 with 913 views | guthrieintherain |
| Lack of signings on 23:25 - Aug 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Net spend, as I’ve always said, is complete nonsense.
Martin has lost Downes this season. That’s it. One player.
Net spend by manager:
Potter: -£39.69m
Cooper: -£48.54m
Martin: -£6.03m
This doesn’t include loan fees, expensive free transfers such as Joe Allen, Pato and Ntcham.
Again he’s simply lost 1 player this season.
He’s living in comparative luxury. [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 8:00]
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Net spend by clubs I was referring to.
The sales under Potter and Cooper are higher because we still had PL players to sell.
And the likes of Mcburnie,James and Rodon more recently.
Not defending Russ here.
But if you are going to list money spent by each club why not include money received and wage bills if the data is available.
Edit.
Have you included last seasons sales under Martin as well.
We sold Conor Roberts for 2 million.
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| Lack of signings on 07:54 - Aug 24 with 837 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Lack of signings on 05:41 - Aug 24 by guthrieintherain |
Net spend by clubs I was referring to.
The sales under Potter and Cooper are higher because we still had PL players to sell.
And the likes of Mcburnie,James and Rodon more recently.
Not defending Russ here.
But if you are going to list money spent by each club why not include money received and wage bills if the data is available.
Edit.
Have you included last seasons sales under Martin as well.
We sold Conor Roberts for 2 million.
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Because it doesn’t represent reality.
That means under Cooper we should have come bottom of the league with a net spend of -£48.54m.
And someone like Rotherham should finish well above us with a spend of zero.
Money spent, combined with squad value is a far greater indicator than “net spend”. Net spend doesn’t tell us anything at all.
(Russell’s figures updated, I missed something off).
An example of net spend meaning nothing is Brighton. They sell Ben White for £52.65m, a ludicrous sum, they then go and spend that on Cucurella £16m (who is a better player probably).
That transaction has strengthened them yet their net spend is -£36.65m.
Cucurella then being sold for close to £60m to Chelsea.
Net spend is a fallacy.
If your transfer spend is in the top 10, you squad value is in the top 10, your salary budget is in the top 10, your value per player is in the top 10… you better be aiming for top 10.
With us it’s more like top 8.
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