| Shoppers out in force 13:33 - Apr 9 with 10328 views | dickythorpe |
Lots of traffic about. Supermarkets rammed. |  | | |  |
| Shoppers out in force on 06:24 - Apr 12 with 1333 views | squarebear |
I've actually waited in the B&Q online queue twice. It took an hour each time. But we were watching tv so not really a hardship. |  | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 06:42 - Apr 12 with 1324 views | squarebear |
| Shoppers out in force on 23:53 - Apr 11 by DJack |
The rest of us will await a review with a link to the actual science rather than a press article without such proof. However it, if true, is noteworthy. |
Is this what you're after? It's heavy going, mind.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=RP | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 13:33 - Apr 12 with 1168 views | DJack |
Thank you but that report deals with virus viability on different surfaces after (a simulated) cough or sneeze.
There was an early paper on Sars-Cov-2 that claimed that after a cough/sneeze it could hang about in the air longer than previosly believed. It was wrong - they had used a nebuliser to aerosolize the virus to a level much smaller than the particulate size from a human cough/sneeze.
In the long run Chad might be proven correct but currently there is nothing to demonstrate such. Her continual pushing of an, as yet, unproven hypothesis is adding to the fog clouding the known facts |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 13:34 - Apr 12 with 1157 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 13:33 - Apr 12 by DJack |
Thank you but that report deals with virus viability on different surfaces after (a simulated) cough or sneeze.
There was an early paper on Sars-Cov-2 that claimed that after a cough/sneeze it could hang about in the air longer than previosly believed. It was wrong - they had used a nebuliser to aerosolize the virus to a level much smaller than the particulate size from a human cough/sneeze.
In the long run Chad might be proven correct but currently there is nothing to demonstrate such. Her continual pushing of an, as yet, unproven hypothesis is adding to the fog clouding the known facts |
The advice and info seems to change week by week. The so called experts have no clue at all | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 13:48 - Apr 12 with 1136 views | DJack |
| Shoppers out in force on 13:34 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
The advice and info seems to change week by week. The so called experts have no clue at all |
Balderdash.
The experts are fairly consistent but will adapt to changes in data. It's the non- experts in field and politicians who are causing the issues.
Edit. The word "changes"looks better with the letter g. [Post edited 12 Apr 2020 14:06]
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| Shoppers out in force on 16:26 - Apr 12 with 1055 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 13:48 - Apr 12 by DJack |
Balderdash.
The experts are fairly consistent but will adapt to changes in data. It's the non- experts in field and politicians who are causing the issues.
Edit. The word "changes"looks better with the letter g. [Post edited 12 Apr 2020 14:06]
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Science won't defeat this, common sense and discipline will. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 16:36 - Apr 12 with 1042 views | DJack |
| Shoppers out in force on 16:26 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
Science won't defeat this, common sense and discipline will. |
"common sense and discipline" wont provide a vaccine you fool | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Shoppers out in force on 16:54 - Apr 12 with 1020 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 16:36 - Apr 12 by DJack |
"common sense and discipline" wont provide a vaccine you fool |
The vaccine won't be ready for ages yet, and it's not certainty that it will be effective. | | | |
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| Shoppers out in force on 17:03 - Apr 12 with 1009 views | DJack |
| Shoppers out in force on 16:54 - Apr 12 by controversial_jack |
The vaccine won't be ready for ages yet, and it's not certainty that it will be effective. |
We know but staying at home wont defeat it without horrific numbers of fatalities. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Shoppers out in force on 17:05 - Apr 12 with 1001 views | controversial_jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:03 - Apr 12 by DJack |
We know but staying at home wont defeat it without horrific numbers of fatalities. |
Yes it will. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:15 - Apr 12 with 988 views | chad |
| Shoppers out in force on 16:36 - Apr 12 by DJack |
"common sense and discipline" wont provide a vaccine you fool |
Why do you need to abuse others it reeks of arrogance
To Reflect your own opinions...
As far as a vaccine there is no evidence so far that scientists can produce one for this particular virus either.
Of course you may be proved right in the long run, but in the meantime why add to the fog of information with unproven theories ;)
Or is it ok for you as the self proclaimed spokesperson for the whole of the rest of the forum? |  | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:31 - Apr 12 with 963 views | chad |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:03 - Apr 12 by DJack |
We know but staying at home wont defeat it without horrific numbers of fatalities. |
Surprising isn’t it, one would almost think all those studies and reports about the extent and persistence of potential aerosol transmission are correct. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:32 - Apr 12 with 959 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Cautious optimism that a vaccine could start to become available in the Autumn according to Sir Jeremy Farrar.
Let’s hope the timeline for this is improving. |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 17:34 - Apr 12 with 957 views | chad |
| Shoppers out in force on 13:48 - Apr 12 by DJack |
Balderdash.
The experts are fairly consistent but will adapt to changes in data. It's the non- experts in field and politicians who are causing the issues.
Edit. The word "changes"looks better with the letter g. [Post edited 12 Apr 2020 14:06]
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So you would call MIT non experts? | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:37 - Apr 12 with 943 views | Jackfath |
I've been amazed by the amount of cars on the road today given that shops are shut. Essential journeys? What part of this aren't people getting? [Post edited 12 Apr 2020 17:37]
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| Shoppers out in force on 17:44 - Apr 12 with 931 views | Neath_Jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:37 - Apr 12 by Jackfath |
I've been amazed by the amount of cars on the road today given that shops are shut. Essential journeys? What part of this aren't people getting? [Post edited 12 Apr 2020 17:37]
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Shops are open today, Tesco is open in my town, as is a general stores and some take aways. |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 17:44 - Apr 12 with 927 views | Jackfath |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:44 - Apr 12 by Neath_Jack |
Shops are open today, Tesco is open in my town, as is a general stores and some take aways. |
oh that's ok then.
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| Shoppers out in force on 17:52 - Apr 12 with 909 views | Neath_Jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:44 - Apr 12 by Jackfath |
oh that's ok then.
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Sorry champ, I was just clarifying that shops are open. | |
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| Shoppers out in force on 17:57 - Apr 12 with 898 views | chad |
| Shoppers out in force on 13:33 - Apr 12 by DJack |
Thank you but that report deals with virus viability on different surfaces after (a simulated) cough or sneeze.
There was an early paper on Sars-Cov-2 that claimed that after a cough/sneeze it could hang about in the air longer than previosly believed. It was wrong - they had used a nebuliser to aerosolize the virus to a level much smaller than the particulate size from a human cough/sneeze.
In the long run Chad might be proven correct but currently there is nothing to demonstrate such. Her continual pushing of an, as yet, unproven hypothesis is adding to the fog clouding the known facts |
Given the first word in that report (that SB kindly provided the link to) is aerosol it seems you didn't read very far. Also within the first couple of paragraphs it says:
‘SARS-CoV-2 remained viable in aerosols throughout the duration of our experiment (3 hours)’
Which is the very report I have referred to as well as the evidence on coughs and sneezes reaching approx 6 and 8 metres respectively from the MIT study including photographic evidence.
In fact (despite their misinformation about no need for travel restrictions or checks - which allowed the virus to spread catastrophically) WHO themselves clearly recognise the dangers of the virus being aerosolised in their advice to medical staff, despite insisting it is not airborne and of course only suggesting a 1 metre safe distance. That’s experts for you, I know for a fact a cough can travel further than 1 metre and WHO say droplet infection is one of the main transmission routes so go figure.
Given you are saying the reports are wrong perhaps you could provide evidence rather than unproven hypothesis | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:05 - Apr 12 with 886 views | raynor94 |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:44 - Apr 12 by Neath_Jack |
Shops are open today, Tesco is open in my town, as is a general stores and some take aways. |
Is that a tesco express |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 18:11 - Apr 12 with 880 views | Neath_Jack |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:05 - Apr 12 by raynor94 |
Is that a tesco express |
I believe that’s what it’s called, yes. | |
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| Shoppers out in force on 18:19 - Apr 12 with 869 views | builthjack |
Corner shops, newsagents, garage shops, mostly open today. |  |
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| Shoppers out in force on 18:41 - Apr 12 with 832 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shoppers out in force on 17:15 - Apr 12 by chad |
Why do you need to abuse others it reeks of arrogance
To Reflect your own opinions...
As far as a vaccine there is no evidence so far that scientists can produce one for this particular virus either.
Of course you may be proved right in the long run, but in the meantime why add to the fog of information with unproven theories ;)
Or is it ok for you as the self proclaimed spokesperson for the whole of the rest of the forum? |
Oh dear God.
Enough.
It’s not an unproven theory, it’s basic info that people like you and controversial seem to completely fail to understand. and you’re not alone unfortunately.
There are only two ways this ends - It disappears for no real reason, or everyone develops immunity, either through a vaccine or by getting it. What part of that do you not get?
Assuming the first in unlikely, then if there is no treatment that can stop the most severe effects, then you’d better hope for a vaccine, otherwise we’ll all have to take our chances and hope for the best. Or live in a prison for the rest of our lives.
All that this lockdown is doing is suppressing it for now. Not for ever. Allowing scientists to attempt a vaccine, or treatment. And allowing the health service to expand capacity. Countries like New Zealand with very low transmission rates are no different to us - they will eventually all get it if no vaccine is developed, unless they stay cut off from the entire world for ever.
He’s not the self proclaimed spokesperson, he’s just stating facts. This cannot be defeated by anything other than science. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:45 - Apr 12 with 827 views | dickythorpe |
My local co-op in Johnstown is "one in one out" now.
It works well and so far plenty of stock. | | | |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:47 - Apr 12 with 817 views | DJack |
| Shoppers out in force on 18:41 - Apr 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Oh dear God.
Enough.
It’s not an unproven theory, it’s basic info that people like you and controversial seem to completely fail to understand. and you’re not alone unfortunately.
There are only two ways this ends - It disappears for no real reason, or everyone develops immunity, either through a vaccine or by getting it. What part of that do you not get?
Assuming the first in unlikely, then if there is no treatment that can stop the most severe effects, then you’d better hope for a vaccine, otherwise we’ll all have to take our chances and hope for the best. Or live in a prison for the rest of our lives.
All that this lockdown is doing is suppressing it for now. Not for ever. Allowing scientists to attempt a vaccine, or treatment. And allowing the health service to expand capacity. Countries like New Zealand with very low transmission rates are no different to us - they will eventually all get it if no vaccine is developed, unless they stay cut off from the entire world for ever.
He’s not the self proclaimed spokesperson, he’s just stating facts. This cannot be defeated by anything other than science. |
Thank you. | |
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