| Home Office on 10:11 - Aug 29 with 2148 views | DaPs166 |
What says they will stop the madness? They won't, they will continue it on.
You can only make arguments like this if labour actually fixed it. They won't. They wan't it and will probably spend even more on it. |  | |  |
| Home Office on 11:07 - Aug 29 with 2117 views | AnotherJohn |
The Tories made a mess of things (although I think all sides supported the country-specific social protection schemes). However, you also need to look at Labour MPs' voting records and public statements whenever proposals to clamp down on immigration were made. The recent proposal to reopen the two immigration detention centres is diametrically opposite to what most Labour MPs wanted when in opposition. Remember that resolution at the 2019 Annual Conference saying the manifesto should commit to “maintain and extend free movement rights”, “close all detention centres” and to “reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets.” [Post edited 29 Aug 13:59]
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| Home Office on 11:12 - Aug 29 with 2112 views | max936 |
| Home Office on 10:11 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
What says they will stop the madness? They won't, they will continue it on.
You can only make arguments like this if labour actually fixed it. They won't. They wan't it and will probably spend even more on it. |
You can make the argument for the fact that they are not responsible for what has gone on before their tenure.
They've barely been in power 3 months and people are blaming them for all that gone on before, they have inherited a hornets nest thanks to the Tories.
You can't just surmise that they will spend even more on it, you might be right, but they are not responsible for the past and particularly the 700 million wasted on that fanciful Rwanda debacle. |  |
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| Home Office on 11:20 - Aug 29 with 2099 views | DaPs166 |
| Home Office on 11:12 - Aug 29 by max936 |
You can make the argument for the fact that they are not responsible for what has gone on before their tenure.
They've barely been in power 3 months and people are blaming them for all that gone on before, they have inherited a hornets nest thanks to the Tories.
You can't just surmise that they will spend even more on it, you might be right, but they are not responsible for the past and particularly the 700 million wasted on that fanciful Rwanda debacle. |
Just listen to what they say and their past. Bashing the tories does nothing to solve the issue. This is why it's farcical to call the tories ''far right'' or any other pathetic slur, when they're clearly so weak on illegal immigration, amongst other things. Labour and Conservatives are two sides of the same coin. | | | |
| Home Office on 11:43 - Aug 29 with 2088 views | Wingstandwood |
| Home Office on 11:20 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
Just listen to what they say and their past. Bashing the tories does nothing to solve the issue. This is why it's farcical to call the tories ''far right'' or any other pathetic slur, when they're clearly so weak on illegal immigration, amongst other things. Labour and Conservatives are two sides of the same coin. |
Bang on!
Two sides of the same coin, pouring money into the national debt and tax-payer funded bucket that's gaping hole will never ever be fixed, because the public sector, civil service, home office and government is infested with two bob Incompetents, whom are more a mix of Karl Marx and Frank Spencer than ever they are John Harvey Jones.
And that has been proven!
The solution to money being lost through a gaping hole? Is to widen the hole and to pour more money into it! FACT! Meanwhile here is a coupe of grand to pay for a rainbow flag outside a hospital.
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| Home Office on 11:43 - Aug 29 with 2088 views | max936 |
| Home Office on 11:20 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
Just listen to what they say and their past. Bashing the tories does nothing to solve the issue. This is why it's farcical to call the tories ''far right'' or any other pathetic slur, when they're clearly so weak on illegal immigration, amongst other things. Labour and Conservatives are two sides of the same coin. |
Who call the Tories far right, I've got no time for either of them, your description of them being two sides of the same coin is right,
My point "originally" was that Labour would get the blame for the overspend which they most certainly will, which is totally unfair. | |
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| Home Office on 14:01 - Aug 29 with 2039 views | Flashberryjack |
| Home Office on 11:12 - Aug 29 by max936 |
You can make the argument for the fact that they are not responsible for what has gone on before their tenure.
They've barely been in power 3 months and people are blaming them for all that gone on before, they have inherited a hornets nest thanks to the Tories.
You can't just surmise that they will spend even more on it, you might be right, but they are not responsible for the past and particularly the 700 million wasted on that fanciful Rwanda debacle. |
Unlike Labour to blame the conservatives. |  |
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| Home Office on 14:17 - Aug 29 with 2030 views | onehunglow |
| Home Office on 14:01 - Aug 29 by Flashberryjack |
Unlike Labour to blame the conservatives. |
Remember darling Harold doing this whilst puffing on his best shag | |
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| Home Office on 16:04 - Aug 29 with 1967 views | Dr_Winston |
This doesn't remotely surprise me.
One of the biggest disappointments of the Johnson era is Dominic Cummings failure to "break" the Civil Service. Business could be done in so much better ways, but the entropy and obstruction are strong. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Home Office on 17:00 - Aug 29 with 1915 views | DaPs166 |
| Home Office on 11:43 - Aug 29 by Wingstandwood |
Bang on!
Two sides of the same coin, pouring money into the national debt and tax-payer funded bucket that's gaping hole will never ever be fixed, because the public sector, civil service, home office and government is infested with two bob Incompetents, whom are more a mix of Karl Marx and Frank Spencer than ever they are John Harvey Jones.
And that has been proven!
The solution to money being lost through a gaping hole? Is to widen the hole and to pour more money into it! FACT! Meanwhile here is a coupe of grand to pay for a rainbow flag outside a hospital.
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Insane isn’t it 😅 | | | |
| Home Office on 17:56 - Aug 29 with 1861 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Home Office on 11:12 - Aug 29 by max936 |
You can make the argument for the fact that they are not responsible for what has gone on before their tenure.
They've barely been in power 3 months and people are blaming them for all that gone on before, they have inherited a hornets nest thanks to the Tories.
You can't just surmise that they will spend even more on it, you might be right, but they are not responsible for the past and particularly the 700 million wasted on that fanciful Rwanda debacle. |
The elephant in the room is for the entire period of the tories overspending Labour have been shouting from the rooftops criticising cuts, austerity and that they should be spending more. |  |
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| Home Office on 18:48 - Aug 29 with 1809 views | Dr_Winston |
| Home Office on 17:56 - Aug 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The elephant in the room is for the entire period of the tories overspending Labour have been shouting from the rooftops criticising cuts, austerity and that they should be spending more. |
And opposing any attempt to get a grip on the "refugee" crisis. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Home Office on 18:52 - Aug 29 with 1807 views | DaPs166 |
| Home Office on 17:56 - Aug 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The elephant in the room is for the entire period of the tories overspending Labour have been shouting from the rooftops criticising cuts, austerity and that they should be spending more. |
Exactly 😅
The logic of the left never disappoints in making me laugh | | | |
| Home Office on 21:01 - Aug 29 with 1784 views | max936 |
| Home Office on 18:52 - Aug 29 by DaPs166 |
Exactly 😅
The logic of the left never disappoints in making me laugh |
Can you recall what the Country has been through over the last 5 years or more firstly under Bumble, then the disastrous Truss and vthen smiley miley and his chief cook Hunt.
You lot completely ignore that time and instead smash a Labour government that's been in office less than three months, absolute joke if you can't accept or see that keep your heads buried in the Sand. [Post edited 29 Aug 21:02]
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| Home Office on 21:05 - Aug 29 with 1778 views | max936 |
| Home Office on 17:56 - Aug 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The elephant in the room is for the entire period of the tories overspending Labour have been shouting from the rooftops criticising cuts, austerity and that they should be spending more. |
Only now they can see how bad the finaces are, Tories hid lots from outside of their circle whilst making their mates richer and richer. | |
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| Home Office on 21:15 - Aug 29 with 1765 views | Dr_Winston |
| Home Office on 21:05 - Aug 29 by max936 |
Only now they can see how bad the finaces are, Tories hid lots from outside of their circle whilst making their mates richer and richer. |
If you believe that I've got some magic beans to sell you.
Labour knew exactly what they were getting. Whining about a "£22bn black hole" just days before committing that much to public sector payrises and Climate Change funding. [Post edited 29 Aug 21:15]
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| Home Office on 21:20 - Aug 29 with 1752 views | Boundy |
| Home Office on 21:05 - Aug 29 by max936 |
Only now they can see how bad the finaces are, Tories hid lots from outside of their circle whilst making their mates richer and richer. |
Just remember this The wealthiest 350 people in Britain have a combined wealth of £400 billion. But those with the broadest shoulders are apparently pensioners on eleven grand a year | |
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| Home Office on 21:25 - Aug 29 with 1748 views | Flashberryjack |
| Home Office on 21:15 - Aug 29 by Dr_Winston |
If you believe that I've got some magic beans to sell you.
Labour knew exactly what they were getting. Whining about a "£22bn black hole" just days before committing that much to public sector payrises and Climate Change funding. [Post edited 29 Aug 21:15]
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Of course Labour new about the black hole in the economy, unless they were sleeping during the pandemic, Russian invasion world cost of living rises.
Starmer is just as big liar as all politicians are. | |
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| Home Office on 21:28 - Aug 29 with 1748 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Home Office on 21:05 - Aug 29 by max936 |
Only now they can see how bad the finaces are, Tories hid lots from outside of their circle whilst making their mates richer and richer. |
No that’s just political spin. There are a lot of multi party committees that scrutinise government spending. The shadow cabinet are also there to scrutinise, Privy council, OBR, HOL etc. Rachael reeves was shadow chancellor for nearly four years. If it’s only now she’s realising the economy is in a bad state she is even more incompetent than those that were in charge!
They are just laying the ground work so when they absolutely hammer working people (and they will) they can say “it’s not our fault guv” even though they campaigned (and won) on a platform that they wouldn’t raise taxes. | |
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| Home Office on 21:35 - Aug 29 with 1736 views | Dr_Winston |
| Home Office on 21:20 - Aug 29 by Boundy |
Just remember this The wealthiest 350 people in Britain have a combined wealth of £400 billion. But those with the broadest shoulders are apparently pensioners on eleven grand a year |
There's a lot of commentary out there about "taxing the rich" which in theory is fine, but in reality faces a multitude of issues.
#1, 1% of income tax payers already pay 30% of all income tax.
#2, How do you tax "net worth"? I may own £1m worth of shares in Amazon, but to pay tax on that I'd have to sell them, which may make them worth less than £1m.
#3, If I was that rich, I'd just piss off to Monaco and pay no tax at all, thus leaving the Treasury worse off.
#3 is the one your average Socialist just can't get their head around. It's a lot easier for wealth to be mobile these days, and chasing it offshore will only increase the burden on those who can't do so. The best tax rate is not a punitive one. It's one that people don't mind paying, whether they're a Billionaire or on minimum wage. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Home Office on 21:35 - Aug 29 with 1739 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Home Office on 21:20 - Aug 29 by Boundy |
Just remember this The wealthiest 350 people in Britain have a combined wealth of £400 billion. But those with the broadest shoulders are apparently pensioners on eleven grand a year |
The tax take of this country has never ever been higher. The problem isn’t the amount of money coming in. The problem is the amount of money being absolutely spunked up the wall. | |
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| Home Office on 21:47 - Aug 29 with 1714 views | max936 |
| Home Office on 21:20 - Aug 29 by Boundy |
Just remember this The wealthiest 350 people in Britain have a combined wealth of £400 billion. But those with the broadest shoulders are apparently pensioners on eleven grand a year |
Boundy I agree wholeheartedly, but Labour are getting blamed for everything, I'm no labour supporter, the whole political landscape needs to change, its long overdue, its either Labour or the Tories, same horse different jockey, I don't like Starmer I did at the start of his leadership but that quickly dwindled, the Tories have caused this country so many problems particarlarly over these last 5yrs its incrediable and have left an enormance debt, a lot of that debt has come from making their mates mega rich.
Yet Labour are getting the blame, just what the f can they do with the mess that they've been left with.
I've worked 47 yrs so far another 3 yrs and a bit to go, I've paid enough into the coffers and any tax rises are abhortent, but why are Labour getting the shit for itr all.
Nobody can start the boats coming across all the Tories did was chuck money we did have at the problem, paid the French millions may even bee billions and the french were just letting them cross.
Our obsession on halting Climate change is another tax, the UK produces less than 0.1 or even 0.01 % of carbon emmissions, yet we got to be seen to lead the way, the bigger countries like China, India, Russia and the US are laughing at us while burning the atmosphere, its a massive excuse to con and rob the tax payer of even more and more money.
Electric vehicles waste of space, engineers in my work place are constantly moaning about their vehicles I'm lucky has I don't have a electric vehicle and nor do I want one, ASHP another, Solar panel energy is probably the only thing that maybe worth it. | |
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| Home Office on 21:52 - Aug 29 with 1710 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Home Office on 21:47 - Aug 29 by max936 |
Boundy I agree wholeheartedly, but Labour are getting blamed for everything, I'm no labour supporter, the whole political landscape needs to change, its long overdue, its either Labour or the Tories, same horse different jockey, I don't like Starmer I did at the start of his leadership but that quickly dwindled, the Tories have caused this country so many problems particarlarly over these last 5yrs its incrediable and have left an enormance debt, a lot of that debt has come from making their mates mega rich.
Yet Labour are getting the blame, just what the f can they do with the mess that they've been left with.
I've worked 47 yrs so far another 3 yrs and a bit to go, I've paid enough into the coffers and any tax rises are abhortent, but why are Labour getting the shit for itr all.
Nobody can start the boats coming across all the Tories did was chuck money we did have at the problem, paid the French millions may even bee billions and the french were just letting them cross.
Our obsession on halting Climate change is another tax, the UK produces less than 0.1 or even 0.01 % of carbon emmissions, yet we got to be seen to lead the way, the bigger countries like China, India, Russia and the US are laughing at us while burning the atmosphere, its a massive excuse to con and rob the tax payer of even more and more money.
Electric vehicles waste of space, engineers in my work place are constantly moaning about their vehicles I'm lucky has I don't have a electric vehicle and nor do I want one, ASHP another, Solar panel energy is probably the only thing that maybe worth it. |
They aren’t getting al of the blame. The Tory vote collapsed because huge chunks of their traditional vote blame them for the mess of the last few years.
Labour are coming in for a lot of legitimate criticism because we had to endure weeks and weeks of an election campaign where they had the cheek to promise that they are not going to do the things they are now immediately doing.
Also starmer on a personal level is quickly becoming the most despised leader since Cromwell due to his soulless, joyless and authoritarian tendencies. | |
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| Home Office on 21:55 - Aug 29 with 1694 views | Flashberryjack |
| Home Office on 21:52 - Aug 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They aren’t getting al of the blame. The Tory vote collapsed because huge chunks of their traditional vote blame them for the mess of the last few years.
Labour are coming in for a lot of legitimate criticism because we had to endure weeks and weeks of an election campaign where they had the cheek to promise that they are not going to do the things they are now immediately doing.
Also starmer on a personal level is quickly becoming the most despised leader since Cromwell due to his soulless, joyless and authoritarian tendencies. |
Starmer is as big a liar as Boris was. | |
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