| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? 16:53 - Dec 10 with 645 views | Slacker |
The guidance quoted below is from the UK Government website. At what point could a manager be dismissed fairly for demonstrating inadequate capability to perform the task in hand. What evidence would satisfy an industrial tribunal?
Secondly, if a fair dismissal took place would that mean that the employer would not be obligated to pay the salary beyond the end of the month? And thus potentially save millions???
Football managers are dismissed because the owners are not satisfied with their performance. So, why should they be rewarded for lack of achievement?
I am not an industrial relations expert, but, I would love to hear your learned views?
"Fair dismissals
You must have a valid reason for dismissing an employee. Valid reasons include:
their capability or conduct
making them redundant
something that prevents them from legally being able to do their job, for example a driver losing their driving licence
There could be other fair reasons too - these are sometimes called ‘other substantial reasons’."
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| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 18:30 - Dec 10 with 532 views | Heisenberg |
It would be virtually impossible to dismiss Martin unless there was gross misconduct or grounds to start a process based on performance. The team being useless would not be grounds. Far too many parameters that a manager could use to take on any dismissal process. I’m afraid it’s pay up the remainder of his contract as the only realistic option. |  |
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| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 18:36 - Dec 10 with 521 views | Ifonly |
| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 18:30 - Dec 10 by Heisenberg |
It would be virtually impossible to dismiss Martin unless there was gross misconduct or grounds to start a process based on performance. The team being useless would not be grounds. Far too many parameters that a manager could use to take on any dismissal process. I’m afraid it’s pay up the remainder of his contract as the only realistic option. |
I agree that it would be impossible to just dismiss him for incompetence. Apart from anything else, we'd have to go through a formal process that gave him the opportunity to improve his performance, and that would take months.
But I don't agree that the only option is to pay off his contract. Put him on gardening leave - tell him to sit at home doing nothing and he'll decide soon enough that he'd want to go and work for another club because that would be the best for his career. [Post edited 10 Dec 18:37]
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| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 19:09 - Dec 10 with 480 views | InTimeAddedOn |
| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 18:30 - Dec 10 by Heisenberg |
It would be virtually impossible to dismiss Martin unless there was gross misconduct or grounds to start a process based on performance. The team being useless would not be grounds. Far too many parameters that a manager could use to take on any dismissal process. I’m afraid it’s pay up the remainder of his contract as the only realistic option. |
Agreed, and to add to it, Martin could claim he wasn’t given the tools to enable him to do his job properly, I.e. quality of players, no established PL CF signed, failure to sign his No.1 requested target O’Riley who went to Brighton ect, ect…
Please note I am NOT sticking up for RM here just agreeing it would be very difficult to make a ‘fair dismissal’ happen.
The answer lies with rolling contracts. Make all managers contracts 12 months rolling contracts that renew on June 1st every year. Maximum pay-off would then be measured in months and relinquished at the point the manager was re-employed. Yes, it would technically make good managers at smaller clubs more susceptible to being poached and the compo less but if a manager sees what he thinks is a better opportunity they walk anyway (as RM did from Swansea)
It would take UEFA to grow a pair and bring this in as a rule to put an end to the nonsense of over rewarding failure for an extended period of time. |  | | |
| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 08:07 - Dec 11 with 331 views | mushinexile |
Agreed. | | | |
| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 08:25 - Dec 11 with 316 views | Heisenberg |
I wonder if Martins contract stipulates anything around reduced compensation if back in the Championship. It’s entirely feasible. | |
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| Are football managers immune from 'Fair Dismissal? on 09:35 - Dec 11 with 277 views | DorsetIan |
I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the terms of individual contracts.
Buy good players, sell poor ones.
Try to get and keep performing managers. Sack failing ones.
It's pretty basic and (take away all the bells, whistles, agents and sell on clauses) and it's always been the same.
Lost 80% of games this season. That's all anyone needs to know. | |
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