Forum | Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing by Jules4367

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Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing 14:15 - Dec 12 with 1222 views

I never played football at any level and recalling lunchtime playground 'kickarounds' if the ball ever came to me in an attacking and shooting position I just hit it and probably had a success rate of under 10%.

I did however play rugby and when passing the ball had 'instant' thought before the ball left my hands, a focus as to where the the ball 'needed' to go - I didn't just throw it 'wildly' as my football shooting prowess.

So firstly, considering the passing we see from our hooped professionals, I have to ask (because I really do not understand why so many balls are being passed tot he opponents or into areas where there is absolutely no hooped shirt)
'Do they actually have the same 'instant' thought before passing that clearly rugby players, basket ball players, netball players have- to ENSURE it goes to their intended recipient or do they just kick the ball thoughtlessly?

It happens so often and I (together with those I stand with) are bemused and I regularly hear "Why would you DO that?" so often !

Now considering shooting and there is obviously a difference in a shot coming from an immediate opportunity and one where the player is in control.

Koki, last night, clearly had control, thought and intent and curled the ball just past the post. Whereas for the last couple of games, i have seen Paul Smyth in the same situation and position on the field cut in and then raise the ball high and wide. Each time he does this, he smacks himself (not to learn but because we are not allowed on the pitch and he knows if we were someone would do it for him!). Then we see Varanne fire over the bar and so often Chair cutting in from the left and last night, Kholi just kicking the ball high over the bar and not hitting the target.

So do strikers actually think "I must hit the target!" before they shoot or, like me , in the school playground, do they just kick and hope without any thought of hitting the target?"

As I say, my successful playground shooting percentage was under 10%, my rugby passing was way above that but what of the percentages our professionals have re hitting the target and forcing a save?

Once again, I expect some ridicule and critical posts for asking but it IS a serious question...Do they think before they 'Do' or is it 'kick without thought?'

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 14:22 - Dec 12 with 1160 views

loftupper

I’m sure it’s just the execution that is letting them down. Some players will practice relentlessly until it becomes muscle memory, some could do that and still screw it up. I

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 14:32 - Dec 12 with 1111 views

Myke

It's an interesting question and just based on last night alone, our passing was way off and often seemed to be 'blind' with no real target in mind. I actually thought Oxford's was much crisper and more accurate than ours and I think that was borne out by the official stats. If they had ANYTHING potent up front or on the wing they would have caused us some serious problems, mostly of our own making. Another thing that annoyed me last night was the number of lofted or looped passes which obviously takes longer to reach its target and more difficult to bring under control, thereby inviting more pressure from the opposition.
With regard to shooting, I don't think Marti is a fan of long range shots and therefore they may not practice them overly much. Both Smyth and Koki found themselves in similar positions, cutting in from the right and having a go for the top right hand corner of the goal. Smyth missed by a lot more than Koki but I think that is just due to less technical ability. Field's second goal was smoothly hit with his weaker foot from the edge of the box, but such accuracy from any of our players is a rarity I'm afraid.

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 21:56 - Dec 12 with 869 views

Logman

In response to the O.P. I'm sure they don't just 'have a go' and almost always pre-meditate where they are trying to put it. With the shots from distance they need to be quite special to beat a professional keeper so the added pressure of having to find a top corner probably means that any slight tweak results in a shot blazing over. I think the goals will come from distance. We will get there.

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 22:03 - Dec 12 with 846 views

colinallcars

I've noticed that in the prematch warm up, players send magnificent volleys goalwards but when the game starts suddenly it all goes awry.
Nerves get the better of them I suppose.

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 22:10 - Dec 12 with 835 views

essextaxiboy

It’s simply because there is an opponent equally experienced fit and able who has trained all week to stop them doing as you would like them to do . They are not negligent or stupid , just outplayed Its laughable when people compare their day jobs with football . Try doing an office job while some bloke is detailed to sweep everything off your desk all day . In addition sometimes they make a mistake .. .

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 00:34 - Dec 13 with 620 views

kensalriser

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 22:10 - Dec 12 by essextaxiboy

Most of us wouldn't even get out of the house if there was an opponent detailed to prevent us doing so.

Poll:

QPR to finish 7th or Brentford to drop out of the top 6?

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 01:34 - Dec 13 with 580 views

Benny_the_Ball

I think it depends on the situation.

With respect to forwards, some scenarios require a quick finish, others afford more time to think. The key for me is maintaining composure, making a decision and sticking with it. Training should make this thought process more instinctive. However, sometimes having too much time to think about it can be counter productive. Lyndon Dykes was the classic example. He always seemed more comfortable when striking on instinct.

With respect to passing, I suspect that the thought process is similar to what you experienced in rugby with some thought required as to where the ball needs to go (i.e. into feet, into space or just into a good area). There was a good example of this yesterday where Morgan had an opportunity on the break to play Lloyd in. Unfortunately, he tried to play to feet which allowed the defender to intercept. Sinton immediately said that he was trying to be too accurate and should've played the ball into space, away from the defender, for Alfie to run on to.

IMHO the best players appear to have lots of time and space. A good footballing brain and continuous clever movement creates this. I remember once watching an analyst review Paul Scholes. Off the ball he was constantly surveying his surroundings and adjusting his position accordingly to find pockets of space. He would also build a picture in his mind before receiving the ball so he instinctively knew the right play when he received it.

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 06:30 - Dec 13 with 509 views

Gus_iom

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 00:34 - Dec 13 by kensalriser
Most of us wouldn't even get out of the house if there was an opponent detailed to prevent us doing so.

I'm married. It's not the getting out of the house so much, but getting back in.

Not a rant but a serious question re the mindset of shooting and passing on 06:37 - Dec 13 with 492 views

Gus_iom

While I do hear you Jules, I think passing in rugby is a bit different, in that generally the bloke you want to pass to is in a set position, just behind and to the side of you.
I thought part of Ashbys problem on Wednesday was that he's got no left foot and by the time he had transferred the ball to his right, he was under pressure. Varane, on the other hand, is one of those players who seems to have a bit more time on the ball then anyone else on the pitch. Serious player.

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