| The last transfer window 17:08 - Oct 8 with 4917 views | Whiterockin |
Was it as good as many of us thought. Last Saturday only two of the starting 11 were not with us last season, Burgess and Stamenic both excellent signings in my opinion. I know it takes time to integrate players but many were with us very early in the window. Widell came in the previous window but was loaned back so was here for pre season and doesn't seem to feature. Galbraith for me is the pick of the crop and I would say was our best buy. Santos has been injured do we can't judge. Wales doesn't feature and Farman is back up to the back up. Idah the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. Inoussa and Yalcouye are very talented but again not utilised much. Casey and Samuels-Smith look to be bench players and cover for injuries and Benson blows hot and cold in the little game time he has had. So I ask the question has our recruitment department performed well or flattered to decieve. [Post edited 8 Oct 17:44]
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| The last transfer window on 11:20 - Oct 9 with 1162 views | jack247 |
| The last transfer window on 10:07 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
I said at the start of the season let's see where we are after 10 games, that's Southampton away next up. We then have two home games and we will be on 15 league games at the next international break. At that point we really need to be showing some positive consistency. If we are not questions need to be asked regarding the squad and coaching staff. |
The reality is, he has a vastly superior squad to any of his predecessors and will be judged accordingly. I would temper that by saying it must be very difficult to work with that many new players at once.
Our owners will see this season as an opportunity. There will be plenty of clubs thinking they could be in the mix and we will be one of them. If they were looking for a consolidation season, they wouldn’t have beefed the squad up so much in one window.
The thing that confuses me is he did better last season with a threadbare squad. I don’t know if that means he had a period way above his usual (like Martins run before he went back to losing) or whether he is a very good manager and this season hasn’t quite clicked yet. |  | | |
| The last transfer window on 11:37 - Oct 9 with 1129 views | Whiterockin |
| The last transfer window on 11:20 - Oct 9 by jack247 |
The reality is, he has a vastly superior squad to any of his predecessors and will be judged accordingly. I would temper that by saying it must be very difficult to work with that many new players at once.
Our owners will see this season as an opportunity. There will be plenty of clubs thinking they could be in the mix and we will be one of them. If they were looking for a consolidation season, they wouldn’t have beefed the squad up so much in one window.
The thing that confuses me is he did better last season with a threadbare squad. I don’t know if that means he had a period way above his usual (like Martins run before he went back to losing) or whether he is a very good manager and this season hasn’t quite clicked yet. |
My current thinking on Sheehan is. When he didn't have the options life was simple for him and he made the best of what he had, plus he had the experience of Allen and Naughton to close games out. Now he has options and has to get the best permutation to get results plus we lack genuine experience. The recruitment team have to accept that the best players don't necessarily make the best team. We have gone mostly with youth and no Championship experience. It's all well good number crunching but there is a place also for good old fashion scouting. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 12:12 - Oct 9 with 1083 views | jack247 |
| The last transfer window on 11:37 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
My current thinking on Sheehan is. When he didn't have the options life was simple for him and he made the best of what he had, plus he had the experience of Allen and Naughton to close games out. Now he has options and has to get the best permutation to get results plus we lack genuine experience. The recruitment team have to accept that the best players don't necessarily make the best team. We have gone mostly with youth and no Championship experience. It's all well good number crunching but there is a place also for good old fashion scouting. |
Unfortunately, if you’re right, he’s not going to satisfy our owners longer term. They are more ambitious than wanting a manager to get a tune out of a patched up squad. They are going to want someone who can challenge when he’s heavily backed.
I don’t really agree with you on the window, I haven’t seen one new player who wouldn’t have started plenty of games for us last season. The quality and depth has increased significantly. That’s not including the like of Widdell, Wales and Samuel’s-Smith who haven’t really had a chance yet.
I do agree the best players don’t make the best team. He has to get the midfield firing and our best individuals are all defensively minded. Difficult to work out who to leave out. Different problem to the one he solved brilliantly last season. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 12:15 - Oct 9 with 1081 views | Dr_Winston |
| The last transfer window on 10:53 - Oct 9 by jack247 |
I think that type of hybrid midfielder/striker will be important to us going forward. It may not be Cullen, it may be Widdell or a new player, but I think we need that type starting games.
I’d see Cullen as more of a second half substitute when we’re chasing the game, but even Saturday, when he didn’t have his best game, he made Vipotniks job much easier.
Finding space is easier when the defenders have also got to look out for someone drifting in behind you.
Pressing is much easier when you’re taking it in turns and when you’re the one pressing aggressively, you’ve got a teammate cutting off the easiest pass out of danger. Playing around a lone striker is pretty simple.
Not suggesting Cullen is the player, but I think we need someone who can do that role. |
A Joel Piroe type who can play both as a #10 and upfront if required?
Yes, I can get behind that idea. |  |
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| The last transfer window on 12:29 - Oct 9 with 1063 views | jack247 |
| The last transfer window on 12:15 - Oct 9 by Dr_Winston |
A Joel Piroe type who can play both as a #10 and upfront if required?
Yes, I can get behind that idea. |
Yes, absolutely.
I’d never go 442, but someone who can make Vipotniks job a lot easier without leaving us overrun in midfield. I’m hoping Widdell can eventually do it, I know he was touted as box to box, but he’s looked a lot more attack minded in the few minutes he’s had. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 12:58 - Oct 9 with 1015 views | KeithHaynes |
| The last transfer window on 12:15 - Oct 9 by Dr_Winston |
A Joel Piroe type who can play both as a #10 and upfront if required?
Yes, I can get behind that idea. |
We’ve got Liam Cullen … |  |
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| The last transfer window on 13:24 - Oct 9 with 983 views | Ray_Delauney |
I think it was a good transfer window, far better than in previous years. We look like we have two players competing for most positions.
But the quality and the tactics seem miles apart. Where's the aggression and relentless pressing/closing that wears teams down? The number of times we allow opposing players time to pick crosses is criminal. Players need to come off "empty" only to be replaced by another with the same style.
Just my opinion of course... | | | |
| The last transfer window on 14:32 - Oct 9 with 927 views | onehunglow |
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| The last transfer window on 16:30 - Oct 9 with 882 views | Ver1tas |
| The last transfer window on 11:37 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
My current thinking on Sheehan is. When he didn't have the options life was simple for him and he made the best of what he had, plus he had the experience of Allen and Naughton to close games out. Now he has options and has to get the best permutation to get results plus we lack genuine experience. The recruitment team have to accept that the best players don't necessarily make the best team. We have gone mostly with youth and no Championship experience. It's all well good number crunching but there is a place also for good old fashion scouting. |
Good players with Championship experience are extremely costly, our budgets wouldn’t get very far if we recruited that way. We also have to realise it’s a long term project. Coventry had 5 windows to get to where they are and they certainly didn’t focus their recruitment on Championship proven players, it was undervalued foreign markets where after a season they become Championship experienced players. In terms of scouting. I don’t believe the club doesn’t scout players either, not sure where you heard that from? | | | |
| The last transfer window on 16:35 - Oct 9 with 869 views | Whiterockin |
| The last transfer window on 16:30 - Oct 9 by Ver1tas |
Good players with Championship experience are extremely costly, our budgets wouldn’t get very far if we recruited that way. We also have to realise it’s a long term project. Coventry had 5 windows to get to where they are and they certainly didn’t focus their recruitment on Championship proven players, it was undervalued foreign markets where after a season they become Championship experienced players. In terms of scouting. I don’t believe the club doesn’t scout players either, not sure where you heard that from? |
You should know mate so I accept what you say as fact. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:10 - Oct 9 with 824 views | Ver1tas |
| The last transfer window on 16:35 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
You should know mate so I accept what you say as fact. |
Everyone should know, it’s been explained how the club blend data and scouting in order to sign their players. The point about signing Championship proven players is an observation. I can’t imagine we would sell any of our good players cheaply to the other teams in the Championship, so that will work the same in reverse, it’s not a viable strategy. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:24 - Oct 9 with 810 views | Whiterockin |
| The last transfer window on 16:30 - Oct 9 by Ver1tas |
Good players with Championship experience are extremely costly, our budgets wouldn’t get very far if we recruited that way. We also have to realise it’s a long term project. Coventry had 5 windows to get to where they are and they certainly didn’t focus their recruitment on Championship proven players, it was undervalued foreign markets where after a season they become Championship experienced players. In terms of scouting. I don’t believe the club doesn’t scout players either, not sure where you heard that from? |
Recruitment from undervalued foreign markets?
The Coventry starting 11 Saturday.
Rushworth English
Dasilva Welsh
Kitching English
Thomas English
van Ewijk Dutch
Grimes English
Allen English
Mason-Clark English
Thomas-Asante Ghana
Sakamoto Japan
Wright American
I'm not sure your argument is so strong. There seems to be a lot of English experience in there. But you are the stats man, you know best. [Post edited 9 Oct 17:26]
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| The last transfer window on 17:30 - Oct 9 with 790 views | Whiterockin |
| The last transfer window on 17:10 - Oct 9 by Ver1tas |
Everyone should know, it’s been explained how the club blend data and scouting in order to sign their players. The point about signing Championship proven players is an observation. I can’t imagine we would sell any of our good players cheaply to the other teams in the Championship, so that will work the same in reverse, it’s not a viable strategy. |
Didn't we sell our captain to Coventry, who is now their captain for under £2M. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:37 - Oct 9 with 763 views | Ver1tas |
| The last transfer window on 17:24 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
Recruitment from undervalued foreign markets?
The Coventry starting 11 Saturday.
Rushworth English
Dasilva Welsh
Kitching English
Thomas English
van Ewijk Dutch
Grimes English
Allen English
Mason-Clark English
Thomas-Asante Ghana
Sakamoto Japan
Wright American
I'm not sure your argument is so strong. There seems to be a lot of English experience in there. But you are the stats man, you know best. [Post edited 9 Oct 17:26]
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They have signed 25 players in 3 seasons, the vast majority without Championship experience. They have also spent over £50 million.
I’m confused by your discussion point as it seems to have moved focus within the space of a post, are you wanting British players from any level as long as they are British, or Championship experience? | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:39 - Oct 9 with 757 views | Ver1tas |
| The last transfer window on 17:30 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
Didn't we sell our captain to Coventry, who is now their captain for under £2M. |
We sold our 29 year old captain for a reported £4 million yes. I hope to God we don’t ever sign 29 year old players for £4 million. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:42 - Oct 9 with 744 views | Whiterockin |
| The last transfer window on 17:39 - Oct 9 by Ver1tas |
We sold our 29 year old captain for a reported £4 million yes. I hope to God we don’t ever sign 29 year old players for £4 million. |
Only Wrexham do that. You know we didn't get £4M for Grimes, dont be silly now. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:48 - Oct 9 with 724 views | Ver1tas |
| The last transfer window on 17:42 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
Only Wrexham do that. You know we didn't get £4M for Grimes, dont be silly now. |
Exactly and look where there are. It’s a terrible strategy to focus recruitment on Championship experienced players.
Yes we got £4 million for Grimes, reported widely. Something we should never partake in, unless we sell 2 players for £40 million like Coventry did and they can afford to write off the fact they will never see a monetary return on the transaction. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:51 - Oct 9 with 708 views | Whiterockin |
| The last transfer window on 17:48 - Oct 9 by Ver1tas |
Exactly and look where there are. It’s a terrible strategy to focus recruitment on Championship experienced players.
Yes we got £4 million for Grimes, reported widely. Something we should never partake in, unless we sell 2 players for £40 million like Coventry did and they can afford to write off the fact they will never see a monetary return on the transaction. |
I know you always like to have the last word so I will leave it there. This has been quite enlightening for some on here. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 17:54 - Oct 9 with 698 views | Ver1tas |
| The last transfer window on 17:51 - Oct 9 by Whiterockin |
I know you always like to have the last word so I will leave it there. This has been quite enlightening for some on here. |
I can’t imagine it’s that enlightening, I’m just showing you why your suggestions aren’t realistic, most will know this anyway. Try and get behind the team a bit more, the club are going in the right direction with people that are clearly highly skilled in what they do. Just enjoy it. | | | |
| The last transfer window on 20:43 - Oct 9 with 619 views | Dr_Winston |
| The last transfer window on 12:58 - Oct 9 by KeithHaynes |
We’ve got Liam Cullen … |
Please stop reminding me.
I do feel a bit guilty criticising players like Cullen and Cooper. I wish they were better. I wish I could agree with those who want them in the team because they're "one of our own". I just can't.
Cooper could probably still do a basic, albeit limited job for us. Likewise Cullen. I suspect it's only a matter of time before Cullen gets the Cooper treatment and is loaned out. Might not come under Sheehan, but it'll come. | |
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