| Johnson’s mates 21:53 - Dec 27 with 2130 views | builthjack |
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| Johnson’s mates on 13:07 - Dec 30 with 453 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Johnson’s mates on 12:36 - Dec 30 by Boundy |
Only if businesses can afford the rises , as we can see with the latest unemployment and businesses closing ,many can't. |
Big businesses can. Small family run ones can’t. The small businesses die off and the big ones get bigger as a result. Shareholders happy. Markets happy. Government gets to claim great success by growing the economy by 0.003% more than forecasted. |  |
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| Johnson’s mates on 15:01 - Dec 30 with 397 views | Gwyn737 |
| Johnson’s mates on 13:15 - Dec 29 by max936 |
The cost of housing and particularly landing these boat people is crippling the country, it's easy for the clowns to blame the triple lock, pensioners have been targeted since the start of this government's tenure, so they need to look elsewhere and not at the easy targets, clowns the lot of them, they're hated for a reason no one I speak to has a good word to say about Starmer and his pathetic cronies. |
Agree about housing.
As for the small boats, I’m not trying to minimise the issue but from a financial perspective, the cost about a third of the annual bill for benefit fraud/error.
Boats need solving but the are other huge amounts that shouldn’t be forgotten. |  | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 15:26 - Dec 30 with 389 views | onehunglow |
| Johnson’s mates on 13:07 - Dec 30 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Big businesses can. Small family run ones can’t. The small businesses die off and the big ones get bigger as a result. Shareholders happy. Markets happy. Government gets to claim great success by growing the economy by 0.003% more than forecasted. |
Agreed
You’ve had a great posting here
Far more pleasant here than on football section
Weird really
I’m glad we still have this section | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 15:48 - Dec 30 with 370 views | max936 |
| Johnson’s mates on 15:01 - Dec 30 by Gwyn737 |
Agree about housing.
As for the small boats, I’m not trying to minimise the issue but from a financial perspective, the cost about a third of the annual bill for benefit fraud/error.
Boats need solving but the are other huge amounts that shouldn’t be forgotten. |
Only a third, that's not bad then for people who shouldn't even be here  |  |
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| Johnson’s mates on 16:07 - Dec 30 with 358 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Johnson’s mates on 15:48 - Dec 30 by max936 |
Only a third, that's not bad then for people who shouldn't even be here |
Most frustrating thing is it’s such a simple thing to fix, as long as the political will is there to do it. But there isn’t because it’s been the governments priority to invite as many people as possible here to continue growing the economy. Only a few have been brave enough to say the quiet bit out loud.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 16:14 - Dec 30 with 355 views | Gwyn737 |
| Johnson’s mates on 15:48 - Dec 30 by max936 |
Only a third, that's not bad then for people who shouldn't even be here |
That’s why I said it needs solving. | | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 16:15 - Dec 30 with 353 views | Gwyn737 |
| Johnson’s mates on 16:07 - Dec 30 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Most frustrating thing is it’s such a simple thing to fix, as long as the political will is there to do it. But there isn’t because it’s been the governments priority to invite as many people as possible here to continue growing the economy. Only a few have been brave enough to say the quiet bit out loud.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk |
That’s legal migration, isn’t it?
The only way to counter it is by British people having more children. That’s tricky. | | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 18:13 - Dec 30 with 332 views | Dr_Winston |
Population growth via migration is only worthwhile if the incoming population contribute more than they take. There is serious doubt about whether that is the case.
To increase the native birthrate you need to make it cheaper and easier for people to find homes and start families. Setting aside social housing for UK citizens would be a start. Significant tax breaks/payments for children would be another good step.
Endlessly opening the borders isn't working at the moment. |  |
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| Johnson’s mates on 23:26 - Dec 30 with 273 views | onehunglow |
| Johnson’s mates on 18:13 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
Population growth via migration is only worthwhile if the incoming population contribute more than they take. There is serious doubt about whether that is the case.
To increase the native birthrate you need to make it cheaper and easier for people to find homes and start families. Setting aside social housing for UK citizens would be a start. Significant tax breaks/payments for children would be another good step.
Endlessly opening the borders isn't working at the moment. |
Bottom line is simply we have people coming in of who we are completely ignorant
However , we spend millions looking after them and Many politisnsxesnt US to spend more on them when we should be dumping them out | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 07:45 - Dec 31 with 220 views | mangohilljack |
| Johnson’s mates on 11:05 - Dec 30 by onehunglow |
Well said
Covid killed many
Only when a vaccine was found did the world return to “ normality”
After it did, the vaccine was seen as something sinister
Mankind knows better than nature
We were truly fecked with these people as they could have been really dangerous
Many died before a vaccine was found
I’m
Not arsed about how or where it was found or even how much because without it mankind would have crumbled
Yet still they spout this shyte
We are on the hands of Lady Luck
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Sorry, Mr One, but this is clearly something we were always going to disagree on. Much of what you’ve laid out is exactly the narrative those driving this entire episode wanted repeated - and they succeeded, with many people echoing it without question.
What’s telling is that they’re already talking up the next crisis, insisting it’s just around the corner. Personally, I don’t think it will land the same way. If nothing else, Covid opened a lot of eyes and forced many people to start questioning motives, power, and who actually benefits when fear is weaponised.
That awakening may well be the one unintended consequence they didn’t account for during the test run. | | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 08:14 - Dec 31 with 206 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Johnson’s mates on 16:15 - Dec 30 by Gwyn737 |
That’s legal migration, isn’t it?
The only way to counter it is by British people having more children. That’s tricky. |
You have to look at the root cause as to why the birth rate is low. Lots of working families who work 50 hours a week feel they cannot afford to have children or often are too knackered. Lots of women with careers are reluctant to have children because it would affect their job prospects or if they want to continue with their careers they’d need to arrange childcare which often can be expensive. This wasn’t an issue in the post war “baby boomer” Britain where families could generally get by on single incomes, now people are struggling to keep afloat with two incomes.
It’s true that there remains a high birth rate amongst those on benefits and in social housing. And immigrants also tend to be more likely to have large families. It’s also true that those who are born into the benefits system are far more likely to stay in the system for life. From the cradle to the grave as they say and will need more working people to pay for them which exacerbates the problem exponentially.
Bringing in millions of people to fix the population is a very short termist and quick solution. These millions of people will be old in a few short decades and will inevitably need to be cared for and more people will be needed to pay for them.
We’re just going around in circles. | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 08:27 - Dec 31 with 196 views | Gwyn737 |
| Johnson’s mates on 08:14 - Dec 31 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
You have to look at the root cause as to why the birth rate is low. Lots of working families who work 50 hours a week feel they cannot afford to have children or often are too knackered. Lots of women with careers are reluctant to have children because it would affect their job prospects or if they want to continue with their careers they’d need to arrange childcare which often can be expensive. This wasn’t an issue in the post war “baby boomer” Britain where families could generally get by on single incomes, now people are struggling to keep afloat with two incomes.
It’s true that there remains a high birth rate amongst those on benefits and in social housing. And immigrants also tend to be more likely to have large families. It’s also true that those who are born into the benefits system are far more likely to stay in the system for life. From the cradle to the grave as they say and will need more working people to pay for them which exacerbates the problem exponentially.
Bringing in millions of people to fix the population is a very short termist and quick solution. These millions of people will be old in a few short decades and will inevitably need to be cared for and more people will be needed to pay for them.
We’re just going around in circles. |
I agree with all that, hence me saying it’s tricky.
For me, the first place to start is cost of housing. It’s so hard (and expensive) to do the right things as a young person today. They’re trapped. The only way many can get on the housing ladder is the bank of mum and dad meaning those without parents with means find it near impossible to get on the housing ladder. | | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 08:39 - Dec 31 with 190 views | AnotherJohn |
| Johnson’s mates on 15:01 - Dec 30 by Gwyn737 |
Agree about housing.
As for the small boats, I’m not trying to minimise the issue but from a financial perspective, the cost about a third of the annual bill for benefit fraud/error.
Boats need solving but the are other huge amounts that shouldn’t be forgotten. |
Personally I'd say that the idea that small boat immigration costs about a third of benefits fraud is an underestimate when various externalities are considered. A quick AI search suggests that the cost of benefits fraud rose from £6.5 billion in 2022-23 to £9.5 billion in 2024-25 (though the difference between overpayments and fraud may be an issue). In 2022-23 the cost of small boat crossings is estimated at £3.5 billion (Migration Watch), and for 2024-25 I would anticipate quite a big rise in small boat arrivals expenditure based on hotel costs etc. However what concerns me more is the cumulative and continuing cost of many successive years of small boat crossings. This includes costs for continuing accommodation and living expenses (often falling on local authorities), costs of appeals and other legal support, costs of family reunifications and subsequent support of dependents, costs of crime and surveillance of high-risk individuals. Moreover some of these persons are themselves likely to be involved in benefits fraud once they have refugee status. The Centre for Policy Studies has estimated that the lifetime cost of cross-channel immigration so far to UK taxpayers will be around £234 billion, which translates to approximately £8,200 per UK household over several decades. [Post edited 31 Dec 8:55]
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| Johnson’s mates on 08:53 - Dec 31 with 184 views | Gwyn737 |
| Johnson’s mates on 08:39 - Dec 31 by AnotherJohn |
Personally I'd say that the idea that small boat immigration costs about a third of benefits fraud is an underestimate when various externalities are considered. A quick AI search suggests that the cost of benefits fraud rose from £6.5 billion in 2022-23 to £9.5 billion in 2024-25 (though the difference between overpayments and fraud may be an issue). In 2022-23 the cost of small boat crossings is estimated at £3.5 billion (Migration Watch), and for 2024-25 I would anticipate quite a big rise in small boat arrivals expenditure based on hotel costs etc. However what concerns me more is the cumulative and continuing cost of many successive years of small boat crossings. This includes costs for continuing accommodation and living expenses (often falling on local authorities), costs of appeals and other legal support, costs of family reunifications and subsequent support of dependents, costs of crime and surveillance of high-risk individuals. Moreover some of these persons are themselves likely to be involved in benefits fraud once they have refugee status. The Centre for Policy Studies has estimated that the lifetime cost of cross-channel immigration so far to UK taxpayers will be around £234 billion, which translates to approximately £8,200 per UK household over several decades. [Post edited 31 Dec 8:55]
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It’s very challenging to find precise figures for all these things.
The point I’m making is although small boats needs solving, it’s not the silver bullet that will sort everything out and I do think the amount of coverage it generates is disproportionate when you think of all the other things that need addressing. | | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 09:14 - Dec 31 with 165 views | Boundy |
| Johnson’s mates on 18:13 - Dec 30 by Dr_Winston |
Population growth via migration is only worthwhile if the incoming population contribute more than they take. There is serious doubt about whether that is the case.
To increase the native birthrate you need to make it cheaper and easier for people to find homes and start families. Setting aside social housing for UK citizens would be a start. Significant tax breaks/payments for children would be another good step.
Endlessly opening the borders isn't working at the moment. |
A simple example of this is that back in the late 70's I started a family and over the first early years had a couple of children ,my wife wanted more but I was the single breadwinner and we both agreed that we couldn't afford anymore ,the 80s, certainly the early years was hard when working with no chance of overtime, family credit nor basic minimum wage to boost the earnings.
Consumerism & selfishness wasn't as prolific has it is now and the need to have the next best apple iphone didn't exist etc and where have all the high value jobs gone these days , we don't manufacture anything any more . | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 09:17 - Dec 31 with 164 views | onehunglow |
The cost is more than financial
We still see ourselves as some kind of refuge for anyone fancying the benefits of living on this island
We simply do not look after ourselves and have utterly lost our marbles
It’s a shame though we couldn’t rid ourselves of our criminal shite and replace with people who contribute to society
Forked are we | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 09:39 - Dec 31 with 146 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Johnson’s mates on 08:27 - Dec 31 by Gwyn737 |
I agree with all that, hence me saying it’s tricky.
For me, the first place to start is cost of housing. It’s so hard (and expensive) to do the right things as a young person today. They’re trapped. The only way many can get on the housing ladder is the bank of mum and dad meaning those without parents with means find it near impossible to get on the housing ladder. |
House/rent prices are high because there’s huge demand and little supply. In some places of the country a landlord can put an advert up at breakfast time and have hundreds of offers flying in before loose women comes on. There are also millions on the social housing list waiting for somewhere.
Having over a million people coming in every year needing somewhere to live exacerbates the problem.
The numbers are unsustainable. The notion we can continue to add the population of a massive city the size of Birmingham to the country every twelve months and not expect our infrastructure and public services to start creaking is a ludicrous one. | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 09:46 - Dec 31 with 140 views | onehunglow |
| Johnson’s mates on 09:39 - Dec 31 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
House/rent prices are high because there’s huge demand and little supply. In some places of the country a landlord can put an advert up at breakfast time and have hundreds of offers flying in before loose women comes on. There are also millions on the social housing list waiting for somewhere.
Having over a million people coming in every year needing somewhere to live exacerbates the problem.
The numbers are unsustainable. The notion we can continue to add the population of a massive city the size of Birmingham to the country every twelve months and not expect our infrastructure and public services to start creaking is a ludicrous one. |
In short , a small island that is basically full
Even a rudimentary knowledge of geography should see this
We are a small dot on the atlas | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 09:49 - Dec 31 with 136 views | Dr_Winston |
| Johnson’s mates on 09:39 - Dec 31 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
House/rent prices are high because there’s huge demand and little supply. In some places of the country a landlord can put an advert up at breakfast time and have hundreds of offers flying in before loose women comes on. There are also millions on the social housing list waiting for somewhere.
Having over a million people coming in every year needing somewhere to live exacerbates the problem.
The numbers are unsustainable. The notion we can continue to add the population of a massive city the size of Birmingham to the country every twelve months and not expect our infrastructure and public services to start creaking is a ludicrous one. |
Western Governments have turned a blind eye to tens, maybe even hundreds of millions of additions over the last 25 years or so and then act dumbfounded when Nationalist/Racist beliefs increase.
The whole situation was so utterly avoidable. | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 10:26 - Dec 31 with 122 views | Gwyn737 |
| Johnson’s mates on 09:39 - Dec 31 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
House/rent prices are high because there’s huge demand and little supply. In some places of the country a landlord can put an advert up at breakfast time and have hundreds of offers flying in before loose women comes on. There are also millions on the social housing list waiting for somewhere.
Having over a million people coming in every year needing somewhere to live exacerbates the problem.
The numbers are unsustainable. The notion we can continue to add the population of a massive city the size of Birmingham to the country every twelve months and not expect our infrastructure and public services to start creaking is a ludicrous one. |
But if we blocked all immigration and replaced it with the needed increased birth rate we’d still be in the same position.
It’s ping to take more than just sorting immigration out. | | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 11:07 - Dec 31 with 108 views | Dr_Winston |
| Johnson’s mates on 10:26 - Dec 31 by Gwyn737 |
But if we blocked all immigration and replaced it with the needed increased birth rate we’d still be in the same position.
It’s ping to take more than just sorting immigration out. |
The clamour to do more than just block migration is growing. The Overton Window shifts by the day.
Again, all avoidable. | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 11:36 - Dec 31 with 85 views | Gwyn737 |
| Johnson’s mates on 11:07 - Dec 31 by Dr_Winston |
The clamour to do more than just block migration is growing. The Overton Window shifts by the day.
Again, all avoidable. |
It just seems sensible to me.
We need to maintain room for discourse for long term unemployed, mental health (particularly for 18-25 year olds), SEN spending, NHS reform and housing to name but a few.
The ratio of headlines of small boats to these and others doesn’t seem commensurate to me. | | | |
| Johnson’s mates on 11:37 - Dec 31 with 84 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Johnson’s mates on 10:26 - Dec 31 by Gwyn737 |
But if we blocked all immigration and replaced it with the needed increased birth rate we’d still be in the same position.
It’s ping to take more than just sorting immigration out. |
The “needed increased birth rate” is just a myth, it’s political spin. They are looking at this through purely economical eyes. The main driver behind all this immigration is to keep wages low and have more people here to spend money.
History has shown us time and time again that a smaller population results in a higher quality of life, a rise in living standards, higher wages. The population should be allowed to rise or fall organically with migration being used to fill skill gaps when needed. To have 1.4 million new people coming here every year (with a third of that number also leaving), most of whom are low skilled fresh out of the slums with no real qualifications is a reckless policy that may solve the issue of short term economic growth but will also lead to major issues a generation or two down the road. These folks will age as we all will. In 30 years we will have an extra 10-20 million old people to look after that we wouldn’t have had if it were not for these mass migration policies.
It’s such a short termist view. We are blinkered. | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 11:45 - Dec 31 with 77 views | Dr_Winston |
| Johnson’s mates on 11:37 - Dec 31 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The “needed increased birth rate” is just a myth, it’s political spin. They are looking at this through purely economical eyes. The main driver behind all this immigration is to keep wages low and have more people here to spend money.
History has shown us time and time again that a smaller population results in a higher quality of life, a rise in living standards, higher wages. The population should be allowed to rise or fall organically with migration being used to fill skill gaps when needed. To have 1.4 million new people coming here every year (with a third of that number also leaving), most of whom are low skilled fresh out of the slums with no real qualifications is a reckless policy that may solve the issue of short term economic growth but will also lead to major issues a generation or two down the road. These folks will age as we all will. In 30 years we will have an extra 10-20 million old people to look after that we wouldn’t have had if it were not for these mass migration policies.
It’s such a short termist view. We are blinkered. |
Few things did more for the lot of the agricultural worker than the Black Death. Those who survived saw a significant increase in their wages, freedoms and general living standards.
If, as is posited, the rise of AI will result in a wave of jobs ceasing to exist, the absolute last thing we need is millions of unemployed and unemployable people arriving every year.
And as previously said in other threads, the small boats are a distraction. Hundreds of thousands more arrive legally. | |
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| Johnson’s mates on 13:20 - Dec 31 with 32 views | onehunglow |
| Johnson’s mates on 07:45 - Dec 31 by mangohilljack |
Sorry, Mr One, but this is clearly something we were always going to disagree on. Much of what you’ve laid out is exactly the narrative those driving this entire episode wanted repeated - and they succeeded, with many people echoing it without question.
What’s telling is that they’re already talking up the next crisis, insisting it’s just around the corner. Personally, I don’t think it will land the same way. If nothing else, Covid opened a lot of eyes and forced many people to start questioning motives, power, and who actually benefits when fear is weaponised.
That awakening may well be the one unintended consequence they didn’t account for during the test run. |
No probs Mr Mango
You put your point over without distain
That’ll do for me
You’re quite wrong but
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