| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? 17:19 - Mar 5 with 20618 views | libertine |
i've notice that quite a few of the swansea primary aged footballers are signing up with cardif
whats that all about? |  | | |  |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:23 - Mar 5 with 13628 views | Rancid |
There's Cardiff kids playing for Swansea too.Works both ways. |  | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:31 - Mar 5 with 13595 views | A_Fans_Dad |
It might have something to do with the quality of the scouts, or the fact that some local small clubs are out of favour.
Maybe the club should have a notice board where fans can post up players that they have seen playing really well. |  | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:39 - Mar 5 with 13563 views | Liberty |
Cardiff have far more academies than Swansea, they use philosophy of get loads of kids in, spread net wide, no consistent football philosophy between the academies, Swans get less players involved, more quality than quantity.
Theres probably a happy medium between the 2 approaches.
The coaching is a higher standard at Swansea, although more rigid ie play the Swansea way, from back, zones etc. Thats why youth results are not be all and end all.
Finding one great player with prem potential every few years would more than pay for it. |  |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:44 - Mar 5 with 13544 views | scottishjack |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:39 - Mar 5 by Liberty |
Cardiff have far more academies than Swansea, they use philosophy of get loads of kids in, spread net wide, no consistent football philosophy between the academies, Swans get less players involved, more quality than quantity.
Theres probably a happy medium between the 2 approaches.
The coaching is a higher standard at Swansea, although more rigid ie play the Swansea way, from back, zones etc. Thats why youth results are not be all and end all.
Finding one great player with prem potential every few years would more than pay for it. |
Yep, a mate of mine had his lad involved in the Cardiff academy, massive numbers involved with them, and a fair cost to the parents as well for all the gear and travel.
I'm not saying that these kids aren't talented, just that the Swans seem more selective than Cardiff. |  | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:45 - Mar 5 with 13534 views | jackportis |
It is the same here in bristol. My son got scouted by both cardiff and bristol city. Bristol was on mass and a bit annonymous however cardiff totally different. Nice facility good coaches and they also dont insist on junior contracts. |  |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:51 - Mar 5 with 13513 views | Shaky |
I blame Monk.
Boom-boom. |  |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 18:28 - Mar 5 with 13419 views | Oldjack |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:51 - Mar 5 by Shaky |
I blame Monk.
Boom-boom. |
they take anyone apparently as long as you splash the cash |  |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 18:31 - Mar 5 with 13407 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:51 - Mar 5 by Shaky |
I blame Monk.
Boom-boom. |
They're all hoping for a share of Tan's £3.7M bonus. |  |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 18:55 - Mar 5 with 13337 views | TheFranchise |
Here we go again, I'm not answering this any more. Do a search, I've explained it many times. |  | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 19:27 - Mar 5 with 13266 views | icecoldjack |
I dont know the truth about it but ive heard a few people i know talk about the kids and parents being used as a revenue stream basically. Not sure how true that is mind you, but with higher numbers there is a higher chance of netting one good kid i suppose . |  | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 20:38 - Mar 5 with 13186 views | VARDREJACK |
I know of three sets of parents whos kids were approached by Cardiff scouts asking to join there academies all the parents were very excited thinking their kids were going to be the next superstar but after a few months of spending loads of money on kit traveling etc they felt very disappointed as they could see they were just being used as revenue making, its not fair as the kids get all excited first of all just to face disappointment later on |  | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 23:02 - Mar 5 with 13003 views | MillJack |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 17:44 - Mar 5 by scottishjack |
Yep, a mate of mine had his lad involved in the Cardiff academy, massive numbers involved with them, and a fair cost to the parents as well for all the gear and travel.
I'm not saying that these kids aren't talented, just that the Swans seem more selective than Cardiff. |
Without banging on about the same thing that has been discussed numerous times on here, your mates lad doesn't play for Cardiff's academy. He plays/trains with one of their regional development centres.
I hear parents all of the time saying "my son plays for Cardiff". They don't but it makes them feel good about themselves. It's all very strange. |  | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 23:10 - Mar 5 with 12993 views | tomdickharry |
Plenty of goods young players around,unfortunately there are many useless scouts and coaches around who wouldn't know a player if they saw one,add in lady luck and bingo another disappointed man and dad. | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 23:29 - Mar 5 with 12956 views | jackportis |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 20:38 - Mar 5 by VARDREJACK |
I know of three sets of parents whos kids were approached by Cardiff scouts asking to join there academies all the parents were very excited thinking their kids were going to be the next superstar but after a few months of spending loads of money on kit traveling etc they felt very disappointed as they could see they were just being used as revenue making, its not fair as the kids get all excited first of all just to face disappointment later on |
They will pay expenses.A 12 year old I know has an allowance from them. | |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 18:34 - Mar 6 with 12668 views | ScoobyWho |
Here we go again, another bull sh it thread from -
1. A stupid swansea parent
2. A Cardiff fan with an ego to boost
3. Someone who hasn't read the previous fifty thousand threads on the same topic that at the end of it turns in to completely the opposite.
cheers libertine, you fek ! [Post edited 6 Mar 2014 18:36]
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 21:42 - Mar 6 with 12543 views | libertine |
whats a fek | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 22:24 - Mar 6 with 12497 views | chemical_ali |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 21:42 - Mar 6 by libertine |
whats a fek |
All the kids are not.
My son is U8 and has been offered a place from both. He currently trains and plays with both. We live 5 minutes away from cardiff academy and are cardiff season ticket holders.
He will play and sign with Swansea next year as thats where he prefers playing. He prefers the style of play and the coaching is, for me anyway, better. Not that Cardiff is bad, but they coach individuals in Cardiff and a team in Swansea. There are 3 other kids in his age who have left cardiff to join swansea for similar reasons, 1 of which has also been offered a place in swansea next year.
There are a couple of kids in Cardiff from Swansea at u8 also, so its a two way street.
As for the ADC's that Cardiff have everywhere, they are not Cardiff City. Many parents think they are in the academy. You are not. If you train outdoors at u6 - u11 level on a friday night, you are playing for cardiff development centre part of Cardiff Community Foundation a charitable organisation that is more self interested than a feeder for the academy. The academy and ADC have a sometimes frosty relationship and you will almost never see an academy coach at an ADC scouting for players. You are paying for private coaching for someone who has loaned the Cardiff badge. | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 22:36 - Mar 6 with 12471 views | TheFranchise |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 22:24 - Mar 6 by chemical_ali |
All the kids are not.
My son is U8 and has been offered a place from both. He currently trains and plays with both. We live 5 minutes away from cardiff academy and are cardiff season ticket holders.
He will play and sign with Swansea next year as thats where he prefers playing. He prefers the style of play and the coaching is, for me anyway, better. Not that Cardiff is bad, but they coach individuals in Cardiff and a team in Swansea. There are 3 other kids in his age who have left cardiff to join swansea for similar reasons, 1 of which has also been offered a place in swansea next year.
There are a couple of kids in Cardiff from Swansea at u8 also, so its a two way street.
As for the ADC's that Cardiff have everywhere, they are not Cardiff City. Many parents think they are in the academy. You are not. If you train outdoors at u6 - u11 level on a friday night, you are playing for cardiff development centre part of Cardiff Community Foundation a charitable organisation that is more self interested than a feeder for the academy. The academy and ADC have a sometimes frosty relationship and you will almost never see an academy coach at an ADC scouting for players. You are paying for private coaching for someone who has loaned the Cardiff badge. |
You are going to upset a few stupid parents by saying that. I applaud you sir. | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 22:49 - Mar 6 with 12454 views | Daithejack |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 22:24 - Mar 6 by chemical_ali |
All the kids are not.
My son is U8 and has been offered a place from both. He currently trains and plays with both. We live 5 minutes away from cardiff academy and are cardiff season ticket holders.
He will play and sign with Swansea next year as thats where he prefers playing. He prefers the style of play and the coaching is, for me anyway, better. Not that Cardiff is bad, but they coach individuals in Cardiff and a team in Swansea. There are 3 other kids in his age who have left cardiff to join swansea for similar reasons, 1 of which has also been offered a place in swansea next year.
There are a couple of kids in Cardiff from Swansea at u8 also, so its a two way street.
As for the ADC's that Cardiff have everywhere, they are not Cardiff City. Many parents think they are in the academy. You are not. If you train outdoors at u6 - u11 level on a friday night, you are playing for cardiff development centre part of Cardiff Community Foundation a charitable organisation that is more self interested than a feeder for the academy. The academy and ADC have a sometimes frosty relationship and you will almost never see an academy coach at an ADC scouting for players. You are paying for private coaching for someone who has loaned the Cardiff badge. |
Fair play, think thats cleared that one up. |  |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 11:02 - Mar 7 with 12304 views | MillJack |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 22:24 - Mar 6 by chemical_ali |
All the kids are not.
My son is U8 and has been offered a place from both. He currently trains and plays with both. We live 5 minutes away from cardiff academy and are cardiff season ticket holders.
He will play and sign with Swansea next year as thats where he prefers playing. He prefers the style of play and the coaching is, for me anyway, better. Not that Cardiff is bad, but they coach individuals in Cardiff and a team in Swansea. There are 3 other kids in his age who have left cardiff to join swansea for similar reasons, 1 of which has also been offered a place in swansea next year.
There are a couple of kids in Cardiff from Swansea at u8 also, so its a two way street.
As for the ADC's that Cardiff have everywhere, they are not Cardiff City. Many parents think they are in the academy. You are not. If you train outdoors at u6 - u11 level on a friday night, you are playing for cardiff development centre part of Cardiff Community Foundation a charitable organisation that is more self interested than a feeder for the academy. The academy and ADC have a sometimes frosty relationship and you will almost never see an academy coach at an ADC scouting for players. You are paying for private coaching for someone who has loaned the Cardiff badge. |
Well if that doesn't put the whole subject to bed then nothing will.
Great post. | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 13:32 - Mar 7 with 12212 views | Rancid |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 22:24 - Mar 6 by chemical_ali |
All the kids are not.
My son is U8 and has been offered a place from both. He currently trains and plays with both. We live 5 minutes away from cardiff academy and are cardiff season ticket holders.
He will play and sign with Swansea next year as thats where he prefers playing. He prefers the style of play and the coaching is, for me anyway, better. Not that Cardiff is bad, but they coach individuals in Cardiff and a team in Swansea. There are 3 other kids in his age who have left cardiff to join swansea for similar reasons, 1 of which has also been offered a place in swansea next year.
There are a couple of kids in Cardiff from Swansea at u8 also, so its a two way street.
As for the ADC's that Cardiff have everywhere, they are not Cardiff City. Many parents think they are in the academy. You are not. If you train outdoors at u6 - u11 level on a friday night, you are playing for cardiff development centre part of Cardiff Community Foundation a charitable organisation that is more self interested than a feeder for the academy. The academy and ADC have a sometimes frosty relationship and you will almost never see an academy coach at an ADC scouting for players. You are paying for private coaching for someone who has loaned the Cardiff badge. |
I know a little bit about the academies and developments and that post, Sir, is right on the money.My nephew plays for the Swans academy and was offered contracts with both clubs.Obviously he chose the Swans because my brother is a massive Swans fan plus it's a lot closer for him.
I will say though, it isn't all sweetness and light down there and there's a lot of disgruntled parents/grandparents who have had enough of the way the kids are being trained and playing.Our facilities are fantastic but when you're being coached by someone who couldn't get into West End firsts and there's no progression then eyebrows are being raised.I speak to a few of the parents down there and they say that they feel trapped because of the contracts their kids are under.They would happily take them out and play local Junior league football again if they could but they can't. | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 13:33 - Mar 7 with 12209 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 13:32 - Mar 7 by Rancid |
I know a little bit about the academies and developments and that post, Sir, is right on the money.My nephew plays for the Swans academy and was offered contracts with both clubs.Obviously he chose the Swans because my brother is a massive Swans fan plus it's a lot closer for him.
I will say though, it isn't all sweetness and light down there and there's a lot of disgruntled parents/grandparents who have had enough of the way the kids are being trained and playing.Our facilities are fantastic but when you're being coached by someone who couldn't get into West End firsts and there's no progression then eyebrows are being raised.I speak to a few of the parents down there and they say that they feel trapped because of the contracts their kids are under.They would happily take them out and play local Junior league football again if they could but they can't. |
At what age do they put kids under contract there? |  |
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| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 13:39 - Mar 7 with 12201 views | Rancid |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 13:33 - Mar 7 by PatchesOHoulihan |
At what age do they put kids under contract there? |
My bros kid signed at u 10's i think.Not sure if they do them at a younger age.Probably though. | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 13:44 - Mar 7 with 12190 views | premierjack |
Under 9's will be their 1st contract. Anything under that is called a pre academy and they can still play for their local club. | | | |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 12:29 - Mar 8 with 12051 views | MillJack |
| why are all the kids from swansea joining up with cardif academies? on 13:32 - Mar 7 by Rancid |
I know a little bit about the academies and developments and that post, Sir, is right on the money.My nephew plays for the Swans academy and was offered contracts with both clubs.Obviously he chose the Swans because my brother is a massive Swans fan plus it's a lot closer for him.
I will say though, it isn't all sweetness and light down there and there's a lot of disgruntled parents/grandparents who have had enough of the way the kids are being trained and playing.Our facilities are fantastic but when you're being coached by someone who couldn't get into West End firsts and there's no progression then eyebrows are being raised.I speak to a few of the parents down there and they say that they feel trapped because of the contracts their kids are under.They would happily take them out and play local Junior league football again if they could but they can't. |
Agree with a lot of what you say but what has a coach "not being able to get into West End 1st's" got to do with their coaching.
Personally I don't believe that the academy should begin until U12s as children younger than comprehensive age simply don't have the maturity to handle the pressures that come with playing for a pro club, and certainly can't handle being released before this age.
I have no issue with pro clubs keeping an eye on players younger than this, or even having elite training groups for the best players to get together once a week or whatever. But to dictate to a child of 8/9 that they have to train 3 times a week, play all over the country on a Sunday morning, that they have to avoid other sports and can't play for their school/club with their friends is scandalous imo. If you consider the pressure that is put on these kids by parents, etc then there are definite child welfare issues that have to be considered.
8 year olds dont start training to be a Doctor/Teacher/Lawyer in primary school, they learn a broad range of skills. The same should apply to sport, multi-sports is the key at a young age with specialisation in their teens. | | | |
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