| Yet another summer in absolute chaos 12:34 - May 12 with 5299 views | richpr |
Unfortunately, the FFP legal dispute will probably run and run. In the meantime, we will not be able to buy players, plan a strategy for whatever league we are in. We will probably be forced to let everyone go who has no contract, sell everyone (some on the cheap) who are on contracts and be left with no team by the time the season starts.
I personally believe that the FFP rules are a disgrace. They make the rich teams richer and the small teams smaller. When they were introduced, they should have been introduced in a gradual way over 3-5 years to enable teams to adapt and to plan ahead. Rangers were stuck with players on high wages and long term contracts - and before you all start on about Tony F - he tried to stay in the PL - what do you do - you trust a manager to recruit the right players. The only way to get proper PL players to come to a team like Rangers is to pay over the odds. Even then, if they become a hit like Austin, you have to pay them massive wages on a long term deal to either keep them or to secure a big fee when the big boys come in to buy. It is a no win position for a team like Rangers with an 18,000 capacity. HR is the real villain here - not down to his effort - but because in his belief in hiring old, paceless, injury prone ex-PL players usually at the last minute.
You will see next year at least 2 of the promoted teams get relegated. Because of the badly thought out FFP rules this will continue to be the case until the PL splits in to 2 leagues (Rich boys league, semi-rich boys league bored of never having anything to play for).Because of the Bosman ruling, you cannot cap players earnings which is a shame as this would be the only way to allow teams to compete equally for players.
I am quite happy being out of the PL in the championship or conference - not having to see the opposition doing fly-dives over an outstretched toe-nail, banging the ground in apparent agony only to get up 2 seconds later when no-one comes to his attention as they all know he's acting - ref. Giroud v Swansea - also seeing Terry trying to influence/bully the ref. Would love to see PL players play vs. a Rugby League team.
Oh well - at least we will have a chance to go to Wembley again and hopefully repeat a great experience rather than constantly battling relegation in the PL. |  | | |  |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 17:57 - May 12 with 1504 views | themodfather |
qpr either have to pay up asap or
fight, and hope that knowing the league struggle to boil a kettle without the instructions may see a loophole somewhere....
by taking on the league we may incur harsher penalties...huge fine, maybe docked pts and a transfer embargo.
DON'T YOU JUST LOVE QPR? we all worried over the spending, the agents fees and wages etc....talk of warren farm and old oak, is going to be just that, talk. if qpr really wanted to stay up, we had to move as soon as pulis was available...not dilly dally hoping that harry could smile it all away, and shrug shoulders from the touchline and put an arm around kevin sodding bond.
forget all the ramsey is a nice guy, he was never up to it and now the trapdoor pin is out and we await the handle to be pulled....we hope the phone rings with a stay of execution.
then again, the league may forgive us, do nothing and expect uproar from 71 other clubs.
IF clubs didn't want FFP sanctions they had to fight it at the start, not allow it to be implemented and only be concerned if it affects them.
for me the underlying problem with FFP is say, i have shite loads of cash and want to buy a club and roll the dice, it's my cash right...so i buy say, sheff utd, i then buy £30m of players, bring in a name manager and tidy up the ground....we start winning and are top 6, a player or 2 more may see promotion for sure...what am i doing wrong?
no one will invest in pi55 pot clubs again and so the dominance of man utd, arsenal, chelski and citeh continues....rules are rules and qpr cannot now plead ignorance..we have had 2 seasons to sort it ( the play of win season and this, knowing we had spent etc) and get a top legal team reading every word....the QPR CARRY ON CARRIES ON...where's me gun!! | | | |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 21:32 - May 12 with 1376 views | lave16 |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 17:57 - May 12 by themodfather |
qpr either have to pay up asap or
fight, and hope that knowing the league struggle to boil a kettle without the instructions may see a loophole somewhere....
by taking on the league we may incur harsher penalties...huge fine, maybe docked pts and a transfer embargo.
DON'T YOU JUST LOVE QPR? we all worried over the spending, the agents fees and wages etc....talk of warren farm and old oak, is going to be just that, talk. if qpr really wanted to stay up, we had to move as soon as pulis was available...not dilly dally hoping that harry could smile it all away, and shrug shoulders from the touchline and put an arm around kevin sodding bond.
forget all the ramsey is a nice guy, he was never up to it and now the trapdoor pin is out and we await the handle to be pulled....we hope the phone rings with a stay of execution.
then again, the league may forgive us, do nothing and expect uproar from 71 other clubs.
IF clubs didn't want FFP sanctions they had to fight it at the start, not allow it to be implemented and only be concerned if it affects them.
for me the underlying problem with FFP is say, i have shite loads of cash and want to buy a club and roll the dice, it's my cash right...so i buy say, sheff utd, i then buy £30m of players, bring in a name manager and tidy up the ground....we start winning and are top 6, a player or 2 more may see promotion for sure...what am i doing wrong?
no one will invest in pi55 pot clubs again and so the dominance of man utd, arsenal, chelski and citeh continues....rules are rules and qpr cannot now plead ignorance..we have had 2 seasons to sort it ( the play of win season and this, knowing we had spent etc) and get a top legal team reading every word....the QPR CARRY ON CARRIES ON...where's me gun!! |
The only positive thing I can say about us is... at least we are not boring.... | |
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| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 21:33 - May 12 with 1374 views | richpr |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 17:31 - May 12 by itsbiga |
From a Times article
In the euphoria of Queens Park Rangers’ promotion to the Barclays Premier League last May, Tony Fernandes was asked whether he would fight the threat of a record fine over any breach of the Football League’s financial regulations. “What do you think?” he asked, breathlessly. “It’s my middle name. I’m ‘Fight It’ Fernandes.”
For QPR’s sake, one hopes that their case, as they prepare for a legal battle with the Football League, is based on something more solid and more reliable than their chairman’s belligerence.
This is a serious issue for English football because QPR, their relegation from the Premier League confirmed on Sunday, face the threat of a fine of up to £57.9 million for breaches of Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations. Should an arbitration panel reject QPR’s challenge to the legality of FFP, the London club’s financial brinkmanship of recent years will result in the heaviest sanctions the English game has known. Should QPR succeed in watering down any sanction, let alone overturning it, the Football League will be thrown into a state of severe turmoil.
Fernandes and QPR can hardly claim to have been taken by surprise. Having avoided relegation from the Premier League by the skin of their teeth three years ago, they had had plenty of time to prepare for FFP by the time they went down to the Sky Bet Championship in May 2013. Yet, faced with regulations that permitted a maximum loss of £8 million for Championship clubs in 2013-14, QPR followed an extensive cost-cutting exercise (offloading Christopher Samba, Jose Bosingwa, Park Ji Sung, Djibril Cissé and other big earners) by signing Richard Dunne, Karl Henry, Charlie Austin and others. They ended up with an operating loss of £69.7 million, imagining that the Football League would overlook that they benefited from a £60 million equity investment from Fernandes.
That QPR were promoted last May, by the skin of their teeth with victory over Derby County in the play-off final, saw them escape the Football League’s jurisdiction last summer, but only for as long as they could stay in the Premier League. That in itself is symptomatic of English football’s dysfunction – spend your way to the top flight and financial fair play regulations cannot hurt you – but QPR thought they would spend enough in the Premier League to get away with it. The problem for the Fernandes regime has always been the misplaced belief that you can get rid of a problem by throwing money at it.
Fernandes is not, on the face of it, one of the bad guys. The bad guys are those owners who, as at Newcastle United, Birmingham City, Blackpool, Coventry City and far too many other clubs in recent years, have exploited historic institutions without showing a shred of respect or regard for the town and people they represent. Fernandes has the right amount of respect and empathy for what QPR is supposed to represent. What he has not shown – what his regime at Loftus Road has never shown, nor even hinted at, no matter who the man in charge of the team – is the intelligence and responsibility to act on more than impulse.
That impulsiveness comes from the top of the club. Speak to agents and they will tell you that, no matter how poor the recruitment by Neil Warnock, Mark Hughes and Harry Redknapp, there has been a culture of astounding extravagance at Loftus Road. Their wage bill for 2013-14 – in the Championship – was £75.3 million, which was close to those at Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid and far beyond those at Stoke City and Swansea City, clubs who have found stability in the Premier League without resorting to chequebook management.
Fernandes, the group chief executive officer of AirAsia, is just the latest highly successful businessman to leave his principles at the gates when entering the football world. Owing to the sums involved in the broadcast deals, it has become hard to record a loss in the Premier League but there is no shortage of Football League clubs who have overstretched in desperate pursuit of promotion.
Blackburn Rovers, Leeds United and Nottingham Forest have endured transfer embargos as punishment for their losses. QPR just about managed to escape the Football League’s jurisdiction, but, when a club is run as haphazardly as they have been, both and off the pitch, it is only a question of running, not hiding.
For Fernandes, the instinct is not to hide but to fight. It is an instinct that has rarely been shared by the modern-day QPR. At Football League level – if not on a European level – FFP exists to save clubs from themselves. That is an instinct that QPR lack. Their only answer, it seems, has been to come out fighting – whether in the transfer market or in the courts. So far, at least, it has done them far more harm than good. |
what is fair about Man Utd spending the entire QPR wage bill on 2 players??
how does a £58 million fine make it fairer - utterly ridiculous - unless they let market forces come in to play it will never be fair - if Rangers cant pay their debts then they will go out of business - if they are fined £58 million they will more likely go out of business (who gets the £58 million anyway - I m sure some of it line the pockets of Fifa, Eufa or the FL somewhere along the line). Its a bit like the government invoking a fine on all people who have got themselves into debt - putting them in even greater debt. FFP will also stop those clubs without a new stadium from building a new stadium - with a 18,000 stadium we cant compete in the PL - catch 22
FFP will just increase the divide between the rich clubs and the poorer clubs
For sure:
lawyers will drag this out as long as possible to line their pockets.
FL will be astonishingly pathetic and incompetent in dealing with this quickly
QPR will probably take a 3-4 years to recover but at the end of the day, I'd much rather see some young players developing rather than watch some old pros go through the motions. I just hope we can get £25 million+ for Charlie, Fer, Onouha, Caulker. | | | |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 21:50 - May 12 with 1342 views | stowmarketrange |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 17:57 - May 12 by themodfather |
qpr either have to pay up asap or
fight, and hope that knowing the league struggle to boil a kettle without the instructions may see a loophole somewhere....
by taking on the league we may incur harsher penalties...huge fine, maybe docked pts and a transfer embargo.
DON'T YOU JUST LOVE QPR? we all worried over the spending, the agents fees and wages etc....talk of warren farm and old oak, is going to be just that, talk. if qpr really wanted to stay up, we had to move as soon as pulis was available...not dilly dally hoping that harry could smile it all away, and shrug shoulders from the touchline and put an arm around kevin sodding bond.
forget all the ramsey is a nice guy, he was never up to it and now the trapdoor pin is out and we await the handle to be pulled....we hope the phone rings with a stay of execution.
then again, the league may forgive us, do nothing and expect uproar from 71 other clubs.
IF clubs didn't want FFP sanctions they had to fight it at the start, not allow it to be implemented and only be concerned if it affects them.
for me the underlying problem with FFP is say, i have shite loads of cash and want to buy a club and roll the dice, it's my cash right...so i buy say, sheff utd, i then buy £30m of players, bring in a name manager and tidy up the ground....we start winning and are top 6, a player or 2 more may see promotion for sure...what am i doing wrong?
no one will invest in pi55 pot clubs again and so the dominance of man utd, arsenal, chelski and citeh continues....rules are rules and qpr cannot now plead ignorance..we have had 2 seasons to sort it ( the play of win season and this, knowing we had spent etc) and get a top legal team reading every word....the QPR CARRY ON CARRIES ON...where's me gun!! |
I'm not sure that even Pulis could have kept us up this year without the chance to bring in players n January? |  | | |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 22:04 - May 12 with 1316 views | QPR_John |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 21:33 - May 12 by richpr |
what is fair about Man Utd spending the entire QPR wage bill on 2 players??
how does a £58 million fine make it fairer - utterly ridiculous - unless they let market forces come in to play it will never be fair - if Rangers cant pay their debts then they will go out of business - if they are fined £58 million they will more likely go out of business (who gets the £58 million anyway - I m sure some of it line the pockets of Fifa, Eufa or the FL somewhere along the line). Its a bit like the government invoking a fine on all people who have got themselves into debt - putting them in even greater debt. FFP will also stop those clubs without a new stadium from building a new stadium - with a 18,000 stadium we cant compete in the PL - catch 22
FFP will just increase the divide between the rich clubs and the poorer clubs
For sure:
lawyers will drag this out as long as possible to line their pockets.
FL will be astonishingly pathetic and incompetent in dealing with this quickly
QPR will probably take a 3-4 years to recover but at the end of the day, I'd much rather see some young players developing rather than watch some old pros go through the motions. I just hope we can get £25 million+ for Charlie, Fer, Onouha, Caulker. |
I am prepared to be corrected but I think any debt incurred from spending on infrastructure projects will not count towards the debt for FFP purposes. So you can build a fantastic stadium but not spend on players to play in it. | | | |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 22:04 - May 12 with 1316 views | richpr |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 21:32 - May 12 by lave16 |
The only positive thing I can say about us is... at least we are not boring.... |
not boring off the pitch - cant say I enjoyed our brand of football in the last 2 years under HR | | | |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 09:17 - May 13 with 1165 views | Mvpeter |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 12:45 - May 12 by daveB |
kit has been in the shop before the start of the season for the last few years, it's the only thing they've got right |
Got right???????
Man we're so accustomed to failure that we'll call anything a success.
The kit is an embarrassment for the last few years. Scrambling around without sponsors. Releasing the kit on the first day of the season, pretty sure once it was after the first game.
Most clubs released next years kit a month ago because that makes sense, its a basic business practice that again we can't get right. | |
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| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 09:20 - May 13 with 1161 views | Mvpeter |
| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 15:23 - May 12 by Northernr |
The only thing that's accurate in that sentence is that Nike are our kit manufacturer. |
How much is it worth? I thought it was 10 a year? | |
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| Yet another summer in absolute chaos on 10:41 - May 13 with 1098 views | derbyhoop |
I don't understand why people are so keen to find out the size of any FFP fine. The longer they can delay it the better for us. |  |
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