| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? 00:50 - Feb 9 with 8807 views | WilloW4 |
I've watched our manager talk about being clinical ( yawn), working as a unit(yawn).. Has he ever talked about our shite defence.?!? Averaging 2 easy goals a game.. Not a squeak..."we need to be more clinical up front".. The defence is shite mate..who "works" with our defence squad.? Shower of shite.!!! |  | | |  |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 16:17 - Feb 9 with 2086 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 09:05 - Feb 9 by Northolt_Rs |
Wow. Not just one but TWO relegations, Spünked £250m, and 12th, 18th, 16th, 19th and currently 17th in the Championship - ALL since Bungle and Co. took over in 2011. What a complete shambles. |
They spunked £500m Northolt. £250m was the loss after taking Sky money into account. |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 16:22 - Feb 9 with 2085 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 10:14 - Feb 9 by traininvain |
We were winning 6-1 and 5-1 a few weeks ago. No surprise the goals have dried up since losing Wells. How’s that MW’s fault? |
Recent results are partly his fault because he insists on sticking with the same tactics despite having lost Wells and possessing a defensive unit that struggles with playing out from the back. He should demonstrate a little pragmatism and flexibility, especially away from home, until he's had time to assemble a squad capable of executing his style of football. No amount of repeating the mantra "we need to be more clinical" will develop a clinical streak in players that just don't have it. [Post edited 9 Feb 2020 16:24]
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| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 16:24 - Feb 9 with 2078 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 08:40 - Feb 9 by traininvain |
Just out of interest, before this season started where did you all expect us to finish?
I think most of us would’ve taken 9pts clear of relegation and 12pts off the playoffs in February.
We’ve seen some lovely attacking football, had a few big results along the way and we’re watching a team full of our own youngsters develop into decent players.
Granted the defence is an absolute shambles but not entirely unexpected given that our back 4 is made up of free transfers.
Now is not the time to start turning on the manager or players for that matter. We’re not going down and if anyone fancies a punt I’ll gladly take your money! |
Pretty much how I feel. Never expected much from the Blackburn or Huddersfield games as we usually spunk those northern trips away. Swansea another tough visit. See hiw we go on 3 home games this month. |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 17:15 - Feb 9 with 2030 views | ozranger |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 16:22 - Feb 9 by Benny_the_Ball |
Recent results are partly his fault because he insists on sticking with the same tactics despite having lost Wells and possessing a defensive unit that struggles with playing out from the back. He should demonstrate a little pragmatism and flexibility, especially away from home, until he's had time to assemble a squad capable of executing his style of football. No amount of repeating the mantra "we need to be more clinical" will develop a clinical streak in players that just don't have it. [Post edited 9 Feb 2020 16:24]
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Which is ostensibly my point, though from a different angle. If he wants to say that the players are not clinical then he, and his coaching staff, need to do something about it. By stating that each time - a broken record he says - then it shows that either it is not working or is not been coached properly. Or, as you say here, the players are incapable at this stage and even with the coaching that we hope they are getting this is not improving. Perhaps we need to be patient or perhaps the management needs to consider other options, whether at home or away. |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 17:21 - Feb 9 with 2022 views | PinnerPaul |
Mr Wells was sub v Swansea and didn't score that day.
Some hysterical re-writing of history on here as the defeats stack up! |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 17:34 - Feb 9 with 2000 views | TGRRRSSS |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 00:57 - Feb 9 by Benny_the_Ball |
As he said to me at the fans forum when I questioned him about clean sheets - if we win every game 3-2 from here until the end of the season I'll be happy and I'm sure you'll be too. Sadly, it doesn't work that way and with Wells gone he'd be wise to consider an alternative strategy, particularly away from home. |
I'd be happier if we won 3-0 in many ways - at least now and then.
If he really said that then it's a ridiculous thing to say as a manager, I remember the Forest fans warnings and at lot of it is coming to fruition.
Of course there are many issues, but it doesn't help that much of what they warned off is coming to being.
I fear a tough last couple of months, that said I genuinely thought in August that we could be relegated so in many ways a lot of the season was a good surprise. |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 18:38 - Feb 9 with 1956 views | themodfather |
our defence is a major worry and has been since game 1, going forwards yes it's pretty and lots of possession but not clinical enough.....but a weak defence and dodgy keeper leaking more than a thames water main burst is a concern for sleepless nights. | | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 18:54 - Feb 9 with 1938 views | Match82 |
I mean, surely the problem is that we aren't clinical enough AND we are suspect at the back? The two things are barely linked, no reason you shouldn't try and solve both. |  | | |
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| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 19:19 - Feb 9 with 1920 views | daveB |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 10:11 - Feb 9 by ozexile |
If you've got Wells (not now), hugill, eze, bright, chair. Why would you spend so long playing it around at the back waiting for the perfect opportunity? Just play it forward. I think that's the frustration. We had a front line that's one of the best in the league and we're messing about with the ball at the back and conceding 2 x a game. |
We've scored a lot of goals this season from playing out from the back and creating space for those players to exploit, smashing it upto them and giving the ball back to the opposition hasn't worked well for us in recent years |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 19:31 - Feb 9 with 1907 views | ngbqpr |
Looking at the table, I reckon the only clubs whose fans are genuinely happy about where they are just now are those of:
Forest*, Brentford, PNE, Millwall; possibly Blackburn. WBA probably calmed down a bit after today. Fulham most likely thinking at last we're where we should have been since August.
(*I know loads of 'em, cock a hoop after yesterday, but even there in recent weeks they've lost to Brum & Huddersfield).
I reckon fans of all the others are probably having threads like this. And the managers / players of all those will also be as frustrated as ours are, thinking "how come we beat X then lost to Y".
Welcome to the Championship.
Pre-season, I'd say this board / the fanbase was split between (a) crossing fingers we avoid relegation and (b) hoping for solid mid-table without having to look over our shoulder too often. I'm glad it's been more b than a, and to go with it, we've seen some very good football, the development of some highly talented young players, and a squad who clearly care.
That'll do me. |  |
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| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 09:39 - Feb 10 with 1783 views | Dorse |
With the defence stuttering at present, is it worth looking at at the formation again once Barbet and Cameron return? The 'Christmas tree' version of three centre backs with Hugill up top might be something we could put together. For example:
Kelly
Hall Masterson Barbet
Kelly (wb) Cameron (dm) Manning (wb)
Eze BOS
Hugill
I am clutching at straws here |  |
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| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 09:53 - Feb 10 with 1770 views | flynnbo |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 09:39 - Feb 10 by Dorse |
With the defence stuttering at present, is it worth looking at at the formation again once Barbet and Cameron return? The 'Christmas tree' version of three centre backs with Hugill up top might be something we could put together. For example:
Kelly
Hall Masterson Barbet
Kelly (wb) Cameron (dm) Manning (wb)
Eze BOS
Hugill
I am clutching at straws here |
Kelly is very flexible. |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 15:39 - Feb 10 with 1686 views | W7Ranger |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 09:39 - Feb 10 by Dorse |
With the defence stuttering at present, is it worth looking at at the formation again once Barbet and Cameron return? The 'Christmas tree' version of three centre backs with Hugill up top might be something we could put together. For example:
Kelly
Hall Masterson Barbet
Kelly (wb) Cameron (dm) Manning (wb)
Eze BOS
Hugill
I am clutching at straws here |
I like your optimism mate, but I'd like us to play with 10 outfield players.  |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 15:50 - Feb 10 with 1674 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 15:39 - Feb 10 by W7Ranger |
I like your optimism mate, but I'd like us to play with 10 outfield players. |
I think he means Gary Kelly the ex Leeds and Ireland right back but at 45 & a half years old I fear his best days are behind him. |  | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 16:50 - Feb 10 with 1603 views | PinnerPaul |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 09:39 - Feb 10 by Dorse |
With the defence stuttering at present, is it worth looking at at the formation again once Barbet and Cameron return? The 'Christmas tree' version of three centre backs with Hugill up top might be something we could put together. For example:
Kelly
Hall Masterson Barbet
Kelly (wb) Cameron (dm) Manning (wb)
Eze BOS
Hugill
I am clutching at straws here |
'at present' is putting a very generous spin on it and is also slightly unfair to MW.
See Clive's match report for where I got this from! - we've conceded 70+ every season for the last 4 years! | | | |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 16:33 - Feb 11 with 1494 views | Dorse |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 09:53 - Feb 10 by flynnbo |
Kelly is very flexible. |
Alright alright, nothing to see here.
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| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 02:05 - Feb 12 with 1424 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Has Mark Warburton ever mentioned R defence? on 16:22 - Feb 9 by Benny_the_Ball |
Recent results are partly his fault because he insists on sticking with the same tactics despite having lost Wells and possessing a defensive unit that struggles with playing out from the back. He should demonstrate a little pragmatism and flexibility, especially away from home, until he's had time to assemble a squad capable of executing his style of football. No amount of repeating the mantra "we need to be more clinical" will develop a clinical streak in players that just don't have it. [Post edited 9 Feb 2020 16:24]
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Having criticised him after the Huddersfield game, it's only fair I say well done to MW for demonstrating flexibility and pragmatism at Swansea. The result - a solid performance, clean sheet and well deserved point that could easily have been three. Here's hoping this point is the platform for a decent run of form that cements our championship status. | | | |
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