| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:28 - Jan 10 with 2133 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:24 - Jan 10 by Salegraham |
Illegitimi non carborundum James |
I do a good job of that myself. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:32 - Jan 10 with 2109 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:28 - Jan 10 by James1980 |
I do a good job of that myself. |
Don't stop posting, James. You generate much welcome debate. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:33 - Jan 10 with 2106 views | diver |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:21 - Jan 10 by blackdogblue |
Nope 😡 |
Have you contacted SKY ? | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:37 - Jan 10 with 2088 views | BillyRudd |
Chapter 19 in the journey of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde United and I am left even more confused than normal. Is it progress or confirmation that we are doomed to Div. 2?
Previously pre match I have been left to ponder which of Brians many teams would be turning up. Now I can,t even be sure in which half. Yesterday I convinced myself that rested and with nearly a full squad and at home we would be "up and at em" against a low scoring team, ditching the slow start tactic that countless times for a shed load of reasons has proved our undoing.
I was soon disabused of that notion and continued to witness the kami kaze tactics of old.
During that first half I got to thinking that it has now become a badge of honour within our defence that "we do it the Rochdale way, we fanny about at the back, risking a slip, or a bad pass until we inevitably concede, then we can show em". "We are,nt going to spoil our footballing integrity to gain a few points in a relegation battle"! What utter tosh this is.
I am going to make the obvious point about this obsession with possession in our danger zone. As a team there is nothing less clever than having to retrieve the ball from the back of your own net and doubly so when it is by your own making instead of good play by the other side. Every team in the division must know our weakness by now except apparently us.
Very much like the Plymouth and Wigan results I fear that this comeback is going to continue to reinforce the delusion that we are progressing to the point where this opening style of play will ultimately bear fruit, when in truth if it is,nt changed it will inevitably see us a division lower.
I have said this a number of times now and was left crunching my bag of crisps to little bits after their first goal. "There is no shame in Row Z an approach they had ample opportunity to apply prior to the goal.
As for Charlton, when we come under pressure as we inevitably will, Row Z and a point please.
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 13:27 - Jan 10 with 1995 views | jpresto |
Having watched Accrington win on the telly against Charlton I would say route 1 is our best bet to get a result on Tuesday | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 13:51 - Jan 10 with 1961 views | blackdogblue |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:33 - Jan 10 by diver |
Have you contacted SKY ? |
Yes, network issue.. could be up to 5 days to sort 🤨 |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 13:56 - Jan 10 with 1941 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:04 - Jan 10 by boromat |
I got the impression from the amount of players stood round the ball contemplating it that none of them fancied it from that position. Not sure if it was 'too central' or what but playing out to Baah was in no means negative I'm with you James disappointed it didn't work and that we didn't even manage to get the ball in the box from it but if no one fancied the shot it must have been the better option. |
I’m with you and James, I don’t see why so much is being made of this free kick. The players know more than us about their strengths and whether they felt confident to hit the net from that area. They’d also seen us get destroyed by Crewe’s counterattacking football for 45 minutes. There was a very real possibility that the free kick hits the wall and 20 seconds later we’ve lost the game. The 3rd goal came from a similar area.
Instead, they decided to pass to our trickiest winger, a guy who’s capable of beating people and who’s scored from a similar position 2 weeks ago. It didn’t work out but I really don’t see that as negative play. The best chance to win the game wasn’t that free kick, it was Done’s shot against an open goal. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 14:01 - Jan 10 with 1936 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 13:56 - Jan 10 by Shun |
I’m with you and James, I don’t see why so much is being made of this free kick. The players know more than us about their strengths and whether they felt confident to hit the net from that area. They’d also seen us get destroyed by Crewe’s counterattacking football for 45 minutes. There was a very real possibility that the free kick hits the wall and 20 seconds later we’ve lost the game. The 3rd goal came from a similar area.
Instead, they decided to pass to our trickiest winger, a guy who’s capable of beating people and who’s scored from a similar position 2 weeks ago. It didn’t work out but I really don’t see that as negative play. The best chance to win the game wasn’t that free kick, it was Done’s shot against an open goal. |
It's about opinions.
I thought we were time wasting and would have known full well what was left on the clock.
The Wigan goal was not scored through an area containing 17 or so players so, in my opinion, the pass out wide was reverting to possession football.
I think it was a great opportunity to go for goal in the direct style that had brought us 3 already and thereby the 3 points we desperately need from a home game.
I will say I would have snatched your hand off if you'd offered me a draw at 3pm, even 4pm. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 14:13 - Jan 10 with 1914 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 12:04 - Jan 10 by boromat |
I got the impression from the amount of players stood round the ball contemplating it that none of them fancied it from that position. Not sure if it was 'too central' or what but playing out to Baah was in no means negative I'm with you James disappointed it didn't work and that we didn't even manage to get the ball in the box from it but if no one fancied the shot it must have been the better option. |
You have put my thought much more succinctly thank you BM | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 14:41 - Jan 10 with 1839 views | DaleiLama |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 14:13 - Jan 10 by James1980 |
You have put my thought much more succinctly thank you BM |
Regardless of the nature of your opinion, in the absence of confirmation from the players, you have as much right as anyone else has to express one. In fact, post-match, it is one of the things that makes football endure in the memory.
Like going into a shop for a paper, picking something off a menu or what to watch on the box, each visitor to the forum has a choice of which posts/opinions they choose to read or ignore. Not only that, but by logging on and blocking another user, you can even filter out opinions which you don't wish to see, should you be that way inclined. Inhibiting freedom of speech amounts to a form of censorship - we don't want to go down that rabbit hole - look where it got Bury |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:15 - Jan 10 with 1774 views | ChaffRAFC |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 11:01 - Jan 10 by 442Dale |
Not sure Flitcroft would be a popular option though his coaching abilities obviously have merits. Your post correctly identifies where the issue is though, one which it’s becoming almost impossible for fans to understand why it still exists: if we play basic, direct football, ensuring we defend properly rather than looking to focus on how they start attacks, we look like a reasonable side that will get results. It was also pretty much the formula used by BBM two years ago which kept us up.
We’ve now managed to get Beesley and Humphrys on the pitch at the same time and there were signs they can be effective. Let’s play to their strengths initially. Maybe there’s some sort of misconception that this squad isn’t good enough, yet whilst we definitely need a couple more additions at full back and some pace going forward, BBM has recruited quite well. We have excellent central defenders, comprehensive cover and experience in midfield and a couple of promising strikers. At present, the concern is how those players are playing/being asked to play, not who those players are. |
Can't speak for anyone else but I don't want Flitcroft anywhere near this club in a managerial role. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:40 - Jan 10 with 1710 views | joecooke |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:15 - Jan 10 by ChaffRAFC |
Can't speak for anyone else but I don't want Flitcroft anywhere near this club in a managerial role. |
I dont want Flitcroft around our club in any capacity! |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:45 - Jan 10 with 1696 views | D_Alien |
Interested to know if this aversion to Flicker is down to his time at bury, or something more substantial? |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:57 - Jan 10 with 1654 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:45 - Jan 10 by D_Alien |
Interested to know if this aversion to Flicker is down to his time at bury, or something more substantial? |
I think it stems from something in Joe Thompson’s book. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 16:01 - Jan 10 with 1650 views | 442Dale |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:45 - Jan 10 by D_Alien |
Interested to know if this aversion to Flicker is down to his time at bury, or something more substantial? |
His stint at Barnsley after remarkably keeping them up summed him up. Collected a load of players that summer and completely messed up what had been created. If Whitey still posted on here, he’d give a better insight. That theme continued with the amount of signings at Bury.
No doubt he played his part during Hill’s first spell, but if we were to change manager at any stage would hope we’d look at who is the best available rather than a name we know. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 16:04 - Jan 10 with 1643 views | boromat |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:15 - Jan 10 by ChaffRAFC |
Can't speak for anyone else but I don't want Flitcroft anywhere near this club in a managerial role. |
Agree wouldn't want Flitcroft in as a manager seems to be a good motivator as a coach but he's always seemed to require financial backing as a manager to get success. And even with financial backing he's not always succeeded think he'd be a bad fit for us. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 17:29 - Jan 10 with 1505 views | EllDale |
IF anyone is needed to help BBM then why Flitcroft? Or has someone just plucked his name at random?
Surely there must be better candidates? | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 20:12 - Jan 10 with 1359 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 15:57 - Jan 10 by judd |
I think it stems from something in Joe Thompson’s book. |
Oh? Pray do tell. | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 20:20 - Jan 10 with 1346 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 20:12 - Jan 10 by Shun |
Oh? Pray do tell. |
It's from my memory banks of Chaff's review of the book. I think he was reluctant to expand on it on here so as not to spoil the book for others. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 02:36 - Jan 11 with 1178 views | AtThePeake |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 13:56 - Jan 10 by Shun |
I’m with you and James, I don’t see why so much is being made of this free kick. The players know more than us about their strengths and whether they felt confident to hit the net from that area. They’d also seen us get destroyed by Crewe’s counterattacking football for 45 minutes. There was a very real possibility that the free kick hits the wall and 20 seconds later we’ve lost the game. The 3rd goal came from a similar area.
Instead, they decided to pass to our trickiest winger, a guy who’s capable of beating people and who’s scored from a similar position 2 weeks ago. It didn’t work out but I really don’t see that as negative play. The best chance to win the game wasn’t that free kick, it was Done’s shot against an open goal. |
Also agree on the FK. The angle and distance looked all wrong for a shot and at the time I remember shouting "Baah is free!" at the telly. The issue was that Baah didn't cross then ball from a much better angle after that, but the thought process from the FK itself was right in my opinion.
I'll admit that half-time was the first time I've really questioned whether I want BBM to still be Dale manager. That first half was embarrassing. We were pressed incredibly easily, made countless wrong decisions when we actually found ourselves in some space in the opposition half and the defensive shape was shambolic. Over 45 minutes the team proved that they are more than capable with him in charge, but they have to show that same aggression, attitude and most importantly in my opinion, defensive organisation far more regularly if we are to stay in League One. With the dust having settled I'm tempted to agree with others that the second half may just have papered over the cracks, as performances like that first half one have been much more regular over the course of the season. It's so obvious that a more direct, aggressive style of play is more effective for us and it's so obvious that if we adopt it more regularly we have more chance of staying in League One. Over to you Brian. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 08:06 - Jan 11 with 1107 views | fitzochris |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 02:36 - Jan 11 by AtThePeake |
Also agree on the FK. The angle and distance looked all wrong for a shot and at the time I remember shouting "Baah is free!" at the telly. The issue was that Baah didn't cross then ball from a much better angle after that, but the thought process from the FK itself was right in my opinion.
I'll admit that half-time was the first time I've really questioned whether I want BBM to still be Dale manager. That first half was embarrassing. We were pressed incredibly easily, made countless wrong decisions when we actually found ourselves in some space in the opposition half and the defensive shape was shambolic. Over 45 minutes the team proved that they are more than capable with him in charge, but they have to show that same aggression, attitude and most importantly in my opinion, defensive organisation far more regularly if we are to stay in League One. With the dust having settled I'm tempted to agree with others that the second half may just have papered over the cracks, as performances like that first half one have been much more regular over the course of the season. It's so obvious that a more direct, aggressive style of play is more effective for us and it's so obvious that if we adopt it more regularly we have more chance of staying in League One. Over to you Brian. |
Exactly this. There have been far too many performances akin to that first half and a very surprising number of people willing to defend it with exaggerated mitigation - “we’re playing Hull, Peterborough, etc etc”, “we’re only a small club, what do you expect etc etc”.
Well I’m sorry, but Accrington Stanley have demonstrated to me that there is no need for a small-club mentality in League One, even if there is a pandemic on. Good management and the right attitude on the pitch can go a long way to redressing budgetary imbalances.
I think some people also need to be aware that clubs such as Gillingham, for example, have asked all of their players to take wage cuts until fans are allowed back in. So the haves and have nots are not as cut and dried as regular seasons.
That first half on Saturday was shambolic and not isolated. We cannot keep giving ourselves first-half mountains to climb before we start playing effectively.
As ATP says, over to you Brian... although we are playing Charlton, so no doubt the mitigation brigade are poised over their keyboards. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 09:04 - Jan 11 with 1052 views | kel |
Arf! First time I’ve seen that quote.
“We wanted to be an outstanding League One club and then a Championship club with aspirations of becoming a Premier League club”
That’s almost as amusing as the current Twitter meltdown over their two tinpot clubs. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 09:10 - Jan 11 with 1041 views | kel |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 02:36 - Jan 11 by AtThePeake |
Also agree on the FK. The angle and distance looked all wrong for a shot and at the time I remember shouting "Baah is free!" at the telly. The issue was that Baah didn't cross then ball from a much better angle after that, but the thought process from the FK itself was right in my opinion.
I'll admit that half-time was the first time I've really questioned whether I want BBM to still be Dale manager. That first half was embarrassing. We were pressed incredibly easily, made countless wrong decisions when we actually found ourselves in some space in the opposition half and the defensive shape was shambolic. Over 45 minutes the team proved that they are more than capable with him in charge, but they have to show that same aggression, attitude and most importantly in my opinion, defensive organisation far more regularly if we are to stay in League One. With the dust having settled I'm tempted to agree with others that the second half may just have papered over the cracks, as performances like that first half one have been much more regular over the course of the season. It's so obvious that a more direct, aggressive style of play is more effective for us and it's so obvious that if we adopt it more regularly we have more chance of staying in League One. Over to you Brian. |
My thought was that the intention was for Baah to get into the area and try to draw a foul which is something I’ve thought for a while when watching his game. [Post edited 11 Jan 2021 9:11]
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 09:23 - Jan 11 with 1028 views | AtThePeake |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Crewe on 08:06 - Jan 11 by fitzochris |
Exactly this. There have been far too many performances akin to that first half and a very surprising number of people willing to defend it with exaggerated mitigation - “we’re playing Hull, Peterborough, etc etc”, “we’re only a small club, what do you expect etc etc”.
Well I’m sorry, but Accrington Stanley have demonstrated to me that there is no need for a small-club mentality in League One, even if there is a pandemic on. Good management and the right attitude on the pitch can go a long way to redressing budgetary imbalances.
I think some people also need to be aware that clubs such as Gillingham, for example, have asked all of their players to take wage cuts until fans are allowed back in. So the haves and have nots are not as cut and dried as regular seasons.
That first half on Saturday was shambolic and not isolated. We cannot keep giving ourselves first-half mountains to climb before we start playing effectively.
As ATP says, over to you Brian... although we are playing Charlton, so no doubt the mitigation brigade are poised over their keyboards. |
For what it's worth, I would argue that comparing to one similar team to us budget wise isn't always helpful. For every Accrington Stanley, how many teams are there with a similar or larger budget and fanbase that are struggling towards the foot of the division below? There are probably even some that are two divisions below. Accrington are enjoying an incredible season, but they are an outlier and I don't think many fans on here would jump at the chance to have their manager in charge of our club again!
I always expected to struggle this season and I still wouldn't expect us to take much from games against the likes of Hull and Lincoln. It''s the manner of some of the defeats against teams that we can clearly compete with that have rankled. That match on Saturday actually highlighted it perfectly in a way - the second half showed we had no reason to be 0-3 down at half-time, but we were due to our own mistakes and our own insistence on a certain style that isn't working. Similar has happened against Gillingham, Peterborough and others. If we go down because we've done the right things but other teams are better than us then I can honestly accept that, but at the moment we're going down because we're insisting on an unsuitable playing style and we're defensively dis-organised and that is much harder to accept. | |
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