| Derby now 4th bottom 21:27 - Apr 15 with 59209 views | loftboy |
Squeaky bum time for them. |  |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:13 - May 20 with 3373 views | loftboy |
That aren’t bitter much !!
While I agree with a lot of what you say, do you remember how it felt when we left Wembley in 2014 in that disgustingly beautiful bank holiday sunshine?
We were run properly. We played football properly. And QPR did neither. They'd played the system, got a light 'punishment' for it, and their team of mercenaries had no answer to our team of talented, excitable youngsters who footballed them to death. Their game plan was to soak up pressure and hope for the best.
It wasn't just the nature of Zamora's goal - it was the team that did it, and what they stood for at the time. It felt like money and greed would always win, no matter what you did.
To many other clubs in this league, we're the present day QPR. If we were still living sensibly within our own means under GSE ownership, and it was Gibson selling the Riverside to himself and outcompeting us for transfers due to creative accounting, we would want the EFL to fight our corner too.
Perhaps we haven't broken the rules, and that is why the EFL have nothing on us, but I personally feel that if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be wanting the EFL to throw the book at the club and find anything they can. | |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:36 - May 20 with 3260 views | JPC |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:13 - May 20 by loftboy |
That aren’t bitter much !!
While I agree with a lot of what you say, do you remember how it felt when we left Wembley in 2014 in that disgustingly beautiful bank holiday sunshine?
We were run properly. We played football properly. And QPR did neither. They'd played the system, got a light 'punishment' for it, and their team of mercenaries had no answer to our team of talented, excitable youngsters who footballed them to death. Their game plan was to soak up pressure and hope for the best.
It wasn't just the nature of Zamora's goal - it was the team that did it, and what they stood for at the time. It felt like money and greed would always win, no matter what you did.
To many other clubs in this league, we're the present day QPR. If we were still living sensibly within our own means under GSE ownership, and it was Gibson selling the Riverside to himself and outcompeting us for transfers due to creative accounting, we would want the EFL to fight our corner too.
Perhaps we haven't broken the rules, and that is why the EFL have nothing on us, but I personally feel that if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be wanting the EFL to throw the book at the club and find anything they can. |
To be fair, I think it's what a lot of us have been saying - and he does say what we represented 'at the time'. We were poorly run, we did have a bunch of mercenaries, our manager caused huge harm that we're still recovering from. The 'light' punishment is probably them thinking that as we got promoted, the benefits outweighed the risk. Problem is we didn't learn, got relegated and then fined by the EFL.
It's actually quite reassuring that there are fans who can be very aware of how corrupt the system is and how much their owners are trying to benefit from it |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:37 - May 20 with 3255 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:13 - May 20 by loftboy |
That aren’t bitter much !!
While I agree with a lot of what you say, do you remember how it felt when we left Wembley in 2014 in that disgustingly beautiful bank holiday sunshine?
We were run properly. We played football properly. And QPR did neither. They'd played the system, got a light 'punishment' for it, and their team of mercenaries had no answer to our team of talented, excitable youngsters who footballed them to death. Their game plan was to soak up pressure and hope for the best.
It wasn't just the nature of Zamora's goal - it was the team that did it, and what they stood for at the time. It felt like money and greed would always win, no matter what you did.
To many other clubs in this league, we're the present day QPR. If we were still living sensibly within our own means under GSE ownership, and it was Gibson selling the Riverside to himself and outcompeting us for transfers due to creative accounting, we would want the EFL to fight our corner too.
Perhaps we haven't broken the rules, and that is why the EFL have nothing on us, but I personally feel that if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be wanting the EFL to throw the book at the club and find anything they can. |
I actually agree with all of that, bar maybe the 'light' punishment bit - world record fine but no points deduction could be interpreted either way. |  |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:37 - May 20 with 3258 views | daveB |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:13 - May 20 by loftboy |
That aren’t bitter much !!
While I agree with a lot of what you say, do you remember how it felt when we left Wembley in 2014 in that disgustingly beautiful bank holiday sunshine?
We were run properly. We played football properly. And QPR did neither. They'd played the system, got a light 'punishment' for it, and their team of mercenaries had no answer to our team of talented, excitable youngsters who footballed them to death. Their game plan was to soak up pressure and hope for the best.
It wasn't just the nature of Zamora's goal - it was the team that did it, and what they stood for at the time. It felt like money and greed would always win, no matter what you did.
To many other clubs in this league, we're the present day QPR. If we were still living sensibly within our own means under GSE ownership, and it was Gibson selling the Riverside to himself and outcompeting us for transfers due to creative accounting, we would want the EFL to fight our corner too.
Perhaps we haven't broken the rules, and that is why the EFL have nothing on us, but I personally feel that if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be wanting the EFL to throw the book at the club and find anything they can. |
That Derby performance in the final remains one of the most over rated performance from an opposition team ever. They did Ok were on top after we went down to 10 men but never really looked like scoring |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:58 - May 20 with 3148 views | Juzzie |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:37 - May 20 by daveB |
That Derby performance in the final remains one of the most over rated performance from an opposition team ever. They did Ok were on top after we went down to 10 men but never really looked like scoring |
Exactly. prior to O'Neil getting sent off, they only had one or two shots on target. It was a much more even game up to that point. Then after the sending off we did dig deeper and defend, what else could we do? Only then did Derby's on-target stats grow, 5 in total which isn't exactly a battering. We had 4 shots on target when we beat Chelsea at their place the following season.
'Light punishment' is also incorrect and the "talented, excitable youngsters who footballed them to death." comment is laughable. Hughes was a sly little sht who early on dived to try and get a penalty and didn't even get booked, which IMO he should have and when we went down to 10 they hardly swanseaola'd' us even though they had the lions share of possession. A mixture of sour grapes & rose tinted glasses.
Correct about mercenaries though. |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 14:09 - May 20 with 3066 views | switchingcode |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:37 - May 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
I actually agree with all of that, bar maybe the 'light' punishment bit - world record fine but no points deduction could be interpreted either way. |
Well said Brian just demonstrates why I find you one of the most level header posters on here.Just because owners cheat and break rules it doesn’t mean their fans are the same. | | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 14:23 - May 20 with 3006 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 13:37 - May 20 by daveB |
That Derby performance in the final remains one of the most over rated performance from an opposition team ever. They did Ok were on top after we went down to 10 men but never really looked like scoring |
Totally agree, really annoys me when some of our fans claim that Derby deserved to win and we were lucky. Derby should’ve won after we went down to 10 men but just weren’t good enough, end of. Some people just like the narrative to slag off Redknapp/TF/Barton. |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 07:51 - Jun 24 with 2502 views | loftboy |
100K fine which is shite, but they have to resubmit their accounts from 2016, if tthat takes them over they could be deducted points, there is two lots of fixtures being issued for Derby and Wycombe for league 1 and championship. Rumour is they will be well over . | |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 07:58 - Jun 24 with 2454 views | dmm |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 07:51 - Jun 24 by loftboy |
100K fine which is shite, but they have to resubmit their accounts from 2016, if tthat takes them over they could be deducted points, there is two lots of fixtures being issued for Derby and Wycombe for league 1 and championship. Rumour is they will be well over . |
Yep, just seen this too on here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57590681
It's a mess but will Derby be able to squirm out of this one? Come on up you Chairboys! |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 08:25 - Jun 24 with 2342 views | Phildo |
How are Wycombe supposed to prepare for that! |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 08:29 - Jun 24 with 2306 views | switchingcode |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 08:25 - Jun 24 by Phildo |
How are Wycombe supposed to prepare for that! |
Don’t think they will complain and think they deserve another year in the championship | | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 08:34 - Jun 24 with 2284 views | Toast_R |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 08:29 - Jun 24 by switchingcode |
Don’t think they will complain and think they deserve another year in the championship |
Yeah but budgeting now for League one which could mean player sales and purchases totally different to what they could be in the Championship. An utter f*ck up by the EFL as usual. |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 08:53 - Jun 24 with 2212 views | Northernr |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 07:51 - Jun 24 by loftboy |
100K fine which is shite, but they have to resubmit their accounts from 2016, if tthat takes them over they could be deducted points, there is two lots of fixtures being issued for Derby and Wycombe for league 1 and championship. Rumour is they will be well over . |
No rumour about it, they were miles in breach without their clever Melnomics work arounds. Now said work arounds are removed they’re fcked. |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 09:20 - Jun 24 with 2071 views | Phildo |
Suspect they will try and run the EFL out of time on the accounts recalculation to try and get the season started | | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 09:37 - Jun 24 with 1981 views | EastR |
Just don't see how the timing of this works for either club, unless the appeal is done and dusted in the next two weeks. | |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 09:41 - Jun 24 with 1943 views | slmrstid |
If we're at a point where we're issuing 2 sets of fixture lists then thats been appallingly managed, for anyone to be in that level of uncertainty. |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 09:44 - Jun 24 with 1927 views | terryb |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 09:41 - Jun 24 by slmrstid |
If we're at a point where we're issuing 2 sets of fixture lists then thats been appallingly managed, for anyone to be in that level of uncertainty. |
I would sugest that by issuing two sets of fixtures, the EFL are stating that they intend to relegate Derby & the two clubs should prepare for the season accordingly. | | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 10:10 - Jun 24 with 1824 views | toboboly |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 09:44 - Jun 24 by terryb |
I would sugest that by issuing two sets of fixtures, the EFL are stating that they intend to relegate Derby & the two clubs should prepare for the season accordingly. |
Absolute mess though. You can't be at fixture release day and not be sure who is even in the league.
Given how long the EFL processes are how is this ever supposed to be finalised this side of Christmas? |  |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 10:20 - Jun 24 with 1775 views | bosh67 |
This is a total mess and like or not like Derby this is very unfair on their fans. |  |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 10:33 - Jun 24 with 1707 views | rsonist |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 10:10 - Jun 24 by toboboly |
Absolute mess though. You can't be at fixture release day and not be sure who is even in the league.
Given how long the EFL processes are how is this ever supposed to be finalised this side of Christmas? |
It's not, it's sabre-rattling. It's slow enough as it is even without a prospective appeal to the appeal to the appeal, and once the season starts that's that.
Derby will stay, and if the EFL can finally get something past the independent disciplinary commission, and if Derby are shown to be in breach (not a certainty), a points deduction will be applied for this season. In the meantime keeping them in ownership and planning limbo and disarray is its own punishment, a worse one fundamentally some could argue. |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 11:19 - Jun 24 with 1499 views | hamptonhillhoop |
Absolute farce. The first question that comes to mind is "When's the deadline?" How can you threaten to relegate them if they don't submit something, then set them a deadline after the season has begun? |  | | |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 11:20 - Jun 24 with 1485 views | loftboy |
Derby May we’ll have to fight to appeal but so did we and they blackmailed us with expulsion if we did. | |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 11:36 - Jun 24 with 2542 views | davman |
First offence was before last season, so it seems a nonsense Wycombe will benefit - nothing to do with them.
Any points deduction should be for this season. They should be under some kind of transfer embargo too.
When will the authorities realise that they cannot apply these rules, so there is little point in continuing with them? |  |
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| Derby now 4th bottom on 11:46 - Jun 24 with 2478 views | EastR |
| Derby now 4th bottom on 08:53 - Jun 24 by Northernr |
No rumour about it, they were miles in breach without their clever Melnomics work arounds. Now said work arounds are removed they’re fcked. |
Not sure its so clear cut. The finding was in relation to the treatment of player amortisation costs, not the sale of the stadium.
Restating the accounts without that sale they may still be within the overall loss limit
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