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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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General Election Thread on 22:13 - Jul 12 by R_from_afar
The Daily Telegraph article about Ed Miliband and oil and gas appears to have been made up.
From The Guardian:
"A overnment spokesperson said: “As previously stated, we will not issue new licences to explore new fields. We will also not revoke existing oil and gas licences and will manage existing fields for the entirety of their lifespan.”
The government was forced to deny reports that the energy secretary, Ed Miliband, had defied his own officials by ordering an immediate ban on new licences, including those still being considered by the regulator.
The spokesperson said the report, published in the Daily Telegraph, was a “complete fabrication” which “invents meetings and decisions that have not taken place”.
As is the nonsense story about Labour releasing violent offenders. Whereas the stories about Conservatives releasing 10000 prisoners early last year alone because of overcrowding plus ordering Police to arrest fewer people is true.
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General Election Thread on 23:10 - Jul 12 with 2200 views
General Election Thread on 17:29 - Jul 12 by QPR_John
How long does a new government have before blaming all its problems on the outgoing government becomes unsustainable.
It will, of course be extremely difficult for the current government to blame the previous government for all the ills, because the previous government did such a fantastic, world beating job. And of course in years to come, people will look back on the Cameron/ May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak years as a Golden Age the like of which may never be seen again.
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General Election Thread on 23:40 - Jul 12 with 2158 views
General Election Thread on 21:33 - Jul 12 by Clive_Anderson
I think I'd prefer prisons to be overcrowded rather than dangerous criminals be out on the streets personally.
Let's face it, there's not enough money for all the things that Labour think money should be spent on. What will they cut to fund the prison service? They've already said that they aren't going to be raising taxes.
Dangerous criminals are NOT being allowed out. Non TV licence payers, protesters, homeless people etc. People who shouldn't be in prison in the first place. Overcrowded prisons are the only reason there aren't so many ex Tory ministers and their mates in prison.
The grass is always greener.
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General Election Thread on 08:53 - Jul 13 with 1983 views
General Election Thread on 22:13 - Jul 12 by R_from_afar
The Daily Telegraph article about Ed Miliband and oil and gas appears to have been made up.
From The Guardian:
"A overnment spokesperson said: “As previously stated, we will not issue new licences to explore new fields. We will also not revoke existing oil and gas licences and will manage existing fields for the entirety of their lifespan.”
The government was forced to deny reports that the energy secretary, Ed Miliband, had defied his own officials by ordering an immediate ban on new licences, including those still being considered by the regulator.
The spokesperson said the report, published in the Daily Telegraph, was a “complete fabrication” which “invents meetings and decisions that have not taken place”.
No one mentioned the Telegraph article, the industry is finished because they can't explore any new fields. The current ones will run out and then that will be the end of it.
The Telegraph story is probably the usual result of the government leaking a more extreme version of their policy and then wanting the narrative to be about an erroneous story rather than the fact that they are purposely destroying one of the few successful industries we have left.
Also Starmer has pledged to keep Grangemouth oil refinery open, so we're going to keep the refinery but will have to rely on importing oil from the US to be able use it. How does that make any sense?
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General Election Thread on 09:55 - Jul 13 with 1918 views
General Election Thread on 14:23 - Jul 12 by StJude82
I do agree that the Tories have left things in poor shape that is why they got their arses shredded but this is not a long term solution. What they could do is decriminalise TV licence evasion and pardon everyone inside for that for starters. They think in straight lines rather than laterally which is why they will fail.
Taking more woman out of jail for non violent offences would soon free up spaces to convert to male prisons, more 'community service' far better than giving out monetary fines that are the reason some end up behind bars.
General Election Thread on 22:13 - Jul 12 by R_from_afar
The Daily Telegraph article about Ed Miliband and oil and gas appears to have been made up.
From The Guardian:
"A overnment spokesperson said: “As previously stated, we will not issue new licences to explore new fields. We will also not revoke existing oil and gas licences and will manage existing fields for the entirety of their lifespan.”
The government was forced to deny reports that the energy secretary, Ed Miliband, had defied his own officials by ordering an immediate ban on new licences, including those still being considered by the regulator.
The spokesperson said the report, published in the Daily Telegraph, was a “complete fabrication” which “invents meetings and decisions that have not taken place”.
Nevertheless, as the article say that you've quoted says:
"As previously stated, we will not issue new licences to explore new fields. "
The Labour government is not going to allow any new exploration or drilling. At a time of extreme energy insecurity in the world, and with the UK a long way from being able to rely solely on alternative energy, this is reckless in the extreme.
General Election Thread on 08:53 - Jul 13 by Clive_Anderson
No one mentioned the Telegraph article, the industry is finished because they can't explore any new fields. The current ones will run out and then that will be the end of it.
The Telegraph story is probably the usual result of the government leaking a more extreme version of their policy and then wanting the narrative to be about an erroneous story rather than the fact that they are purposely destroying one of the few successful industries we have left.
Also Starmer has pledged to keep Grangemouth oil refinery open, so we're going to keep the refinery but will have to rely on importing oil from the US to be able use it. How does that make any sense?
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You need to remember that we sell licences to private companies who then sell the oil and gas to whoever they please. More licences granted does not equal security of supply for the UK.
The North Sea is an old resource which is in decline; output peaked in 1999 - output in 2022 was a third of what it was in 1999, the remaining reserves in areas not covered by existing licences, at 2bn barrels (NSTA figures), are only just above the output in 1999 alone (1.7bn barrels) and government figures predict production will fall from 552m barrels in 2022 to 251m in 2030.
The key thing is to manage the field's decline and help transfer skills, workers and resources in that industry to the renewables sector, a sector which has a much brighter future, the potential to flourish in that region and which can help the UK become independent in energy in the longer term, as well as export more energy to the continent via existing interconnectors.
Labour are not going to destroy the industry for political reasons anyway, given that there are now so many Labour MPs in Scotland. I feel certain they will manage its transition, it's in their own interests to do that.
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General Election Thread on 10:26 - Jul 13 with 1863 views
General Election Thread on 09:55 - Jul 13 by hubble
Nevertheless, as the article say that you've quoted says:
"As previously stated, we will not issue new licences to explore new fields. "
The Labour government is not going to allow any new exploration or drilling. At a time of extreme energy insecurity in the world, and with the UK a long way from being able to rely solely on alternative energy, this is reckless in the extreme.
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You (and I) will be long dead before we run out of North Sea oil but perhaps more pertinent is the fact that by moving to renewables and nuclear demand in the UK will effectively end before that happens. As it stands over 80% of our oil is exported so this has nothing to do with our security or wellbeing. Oil companies are desperate to extract as much as possible now because they know the writing is on the wall for them in the developed world. After the inevitable change to sustainable alternatives the world market will be shrunken and prices will tank because of the surplus.
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General Election Thread on 10:51 - Jul 13 with 1840 views
General Election Thread on 21:33 - Jul 12 by Clive_Anderson
I think I'd prefer prisons to be overcrowded rather than dangerous criminals be out on the streets personally.
Let's face it, there's not enough money for all the things that Labour think money should be spent on. What will they cut to fund the prison service? They've already said that they aren't going to be raising taxes.
As mentioned by another poster, only those who really ought not be inside will be released.
However, the state of both our criminal justice and penal systems are a mess of many decades making. Consequently, it requires a multi-pronged approach to tackling the problem. It needs leftie- and rightie-leaning inputs and thinking because the financial cost of crime, from raised insurance premiums through to lifeterm incarceration, are huge and growing exponentially.
Investing money today to save money tomorrow is a thought governments worldwide rarely do because they think in short-term election cycles.
As for packing jails: just not the answer. They become dangerous hell holes, where staff are scared to tread, criminality exists, and often, you merely churn out better criminals and/or recedivists. I'm all for tough sentencing, but once you're in the system, then it's society's (last) chance to turn things around, and if the inmate doesn't want to try, well let there be consequences.
But, as someone said above: respect for authority has gone, its decades in decline, and it ought to be a cross-party long-term commitment to improving. It starts in the home, school, the streets, and consequences need to result in breaking the law, be it a miscreant on a housing estate or a government cronie caught with their snout in the trough.
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General Election Thread on 10:25 - Jul 13 by R_from_afar
You need to remember that we sell licences to private companies who then sell the oil and gas to whoever they please. More licences granted does not equal security of supply for the UK.
The North Sea is an old resource which is in decline; output peaked in 1999 - output in 2022 was a third of what it was in 1999, the remaining reserves in areas not covered by existing licences, at 2bn barrels (NSTA figures), are only just above the output in 1999 alone (1.7bn barrels) and government figures predict production will fall from 552m barrels in 2022 to 251m in 2030.
The key thing is to manage the field's decline and help transfer skills, workers and resources in that industry to the renewables sector, a sector which has a much brighter future, the potential to flourish in that region and which can help the UK become independent in energy in the longer term, as well as export more energy to the continent via existing interconnectors.
Labour are not going to destroy the industry for political reasons anyway, given that there are now so many Labour MPs in Scotland. I feel certain they will manage its transition, it's in their own interests to do that.
If it was becoming uneconomical to drill for oil the private companies wouldn't do it, so they'd be no need to ban it.
Producing oil and also buying and selling it on the open market does still increase energy security.
We are clearly still going to use oil as they are working to save the oil refinery in Scotland, so again banning it makes no sense.
I disagree that renewables can anywhere near substitute fossil fuels in the near future. Supplement sure, but Germany despite their decades of investing in green energy are still nowhere near being able to rely on it.
Apart from that we are completely in agreement
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General Election Thread on 11:42 - Jul 13 with 1780 views
General Election Thread on 11:00 - Jul 13 by Clive_Anderson
If it was becoming uneconomical to drill for oil the private companies wouldn't do it, so they'd be no need to ban it.
Producing oil and also buying and selling it on the open market does still increase energy security.
We are clearly still going to use oil as they are working to save the oil refinery in Scotland, so again banning it makes no sense.
I disagree that renewables can anywhere near substitute fossil fuels in the near future. Supplement sure, but Germany despite their decades of investing in green energy are still nowhere near being able to rely on it.
General Election Thread on 19:52 - Jul 12 by Clive_Anderson
A week in power they have destroyed the North sea oil and gas industry and are letting violent criminals out of jail.
It's going to be a very long 5 years.
I think you misunderstand those policies, possibly deliberately. They always said they wouldn't approve New licences. Allowing existing fields to continue while UK works towards a more sustainable future. Prisons are grossly overcrowded and that does nothing for rehabitation. Clearly, there are some (don't know numbers) who shouldn't carry a custodial sentence. The plans for early releases are quite limited.
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General Election Thread on 14:38 - Jul 13 with 1649 views
General Election Thread on 11:00 - Jul 13 by Clive_Anderson
If it was becoming uneconomical to drill for oil the private companies wouldn't do it, so they'd be no need to ban it.
Producing oil and also buying and selling it on the open market does still increase energy security.
We are clearly still going to use oil as they are working to save the oil refinery in Scotland, so again banning it makes no sense.
I disagree that renewables can anywhere near substitute fossil fuels in the near future. Supplement sure, but Germany despite their decades of investing in green energy are still nowhere near being able to rely on it.
General Election Thread on 11:00 - Jul 13 by Clive_Anderson
If it was becoming uneconomical to drill for oil the private companies wouldn't do it, so they'd be no need to ban it.
Producing oil and also buying and selling it on the open market does still increase energy security.
We are clearly still going to use oil as they are working to save the oil refinery in Scotland, so again banning it makes no sense.
I disagree that renewables can anywhere near substitute fossil fuels in the near future. Supplement sure, but Germany despite their decades of investing in green energy are still nowhere near being able to rely on it.
Apart from that we are completely in agreement
We're going to need a mix of technologies - renewables, nuclear and fossil fuels - for some time to come. I'm sure Labour and Mr Miliband know that, at least, I hope so!
Oil extraction is becoming less economically viable over time because most of the easily accessible, light crude is already being exploited. New, unconventional sources, e.g. fracked oil or tar sands, require a lot of energy for their extraction and in any case, only around 7% of known resources are from these new, unconventional sources, meaning that most of the supply is going to have to come from long-established sources. That's a worry because reserves are finite, obviously, and also because there is the very real possibility that reserves have been overstated. There are no independent estimates of reserves, just what the producers tell us, and a leaked memo from Aramco suggested that they have been exaggerating their reserves by 35%.
In my view, we need to hold oil back for use cases for which their are few if any alternatives at present, like for heavy machinery, chemicals etc.
Re. Germany, they are not in the same enviable position as the UK; the tidal ranges around our Isles have huge energy potential and we have the best wind energy potential in Europe.
Credit where credit is due, past UK governments have got wind energy to the point where, at 29% of the overall mix, it's already generating more than twice as much power as nuclear
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General Election Thread on 15:45 - Jul 13 with 1592 views
General Election Thread on 18:53 - Jul 13 by Sonofpugwash
Absolutely. The biggest suicide pact since the Jonestown Massacre. And you're all cordially invited to join in.
Suicide pact seems a tad hyperbolic..
I would imagine it takes several years to get new sites up and running to the point they are contributing to the world’s oil supplies, ready for the UK to buy it back. In the mean time the Country could be working on more sustainable models.
Struggle to understand why people are so anti the UK trying to become energy self sufficient using renewables, asking what about the oil used in turbines etc seems pathetic.
Being ideally placed to take advantage of wind and tidal energy I would have hoped the UK would be leading the charge, being the most knowledgeable, having the best engineers, being able to export those services, all very useful to the Country, but no f**k it, lets just keep buying fossil fuels off despots.
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General Election Thread on 23:51 - Jul 13 with 1316 views
As a violent prisoner myself, I can't wait to get out there again. No seriously, I can't imagine being a prison officer even when the system is running well. Imagine Dartmoor - do prison officers live onsite ? Or do they drive miles to do their shift. The fact that the situation has reached this state is down to ….well, who's been in charge for 14 long years.
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General Election Thread on 20:45 - Jul 17 with 904 views
Very impressed with the first week of the new gov. Interest rates likely to stay high in the short term, the pound holding up well. My savings are going THROUGH THE ROOF.
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General Election Thread on 23:10 - Jul 17 with 792 views
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