| Public sector pay 09:10 - Dec 11 with 8700 views | raynor94 |
Government recommending 2.8% rise, with inflation running at 2.6 %.
Will be interesting to see what the pay review body say, but this looks like a collision course for the government |  |
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| Public sector pay on 18:59 - Dec 11 with 515 views | raynor94 |
Thank you, I must admit to being surprised by the 74% figure.
The pre 2015 pension is about £680 a month, so you definitely need a private pension alongside that to have a decent standard of living | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:02 - Dec 11 with 513 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 10:17 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
That doesn't surprise me at all, going on your past posting.
I'm still debating what I'm going to spend my £28 rise on, hang on my Council tax will rise, so will my water, not to mention energy.
Yes it's a grand old life being a pensioner |
How can anyone begrudge people who have worked 40 to 50 yrs longer in some cases a decent pension and the state pension is far from decent at that, beggars belief.
Some must have plenty of money to fall back on in their retirement to not to worry where the money is coming from. [Post edited 11 Dec 19:03]
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| Public sector pay on 19:07 - Dec 11 with 506 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 16:15 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Not that old pony from you again |
Another one to ignore and take no notice of Rayns, if you don't bite he can't feed. | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:08 - Dec 11 with 502 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 16:13 - Dec 11 by felixstowe_jack |
A care worker on minimum wages £23,000 a year.
State pension is £11942 a year a lot get even less than that. I am sure pensioners would welcome parity with Care Workers. |
23k that's good is it ??? | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:10 - Dec 11 with 496 views | majorraglan |
| Public sector pay on 18:59 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Thank you, I must admit to being surprised by the 74% figure.
The pre 2015 pension is about £680 a month, so you definitely need a private pension alongside that to have a decent standard of living |
If the £680 is all the pensioner has, then they can claim pension credit which will top them up to around £392 for a couple and £212 for a single person. They’ll also be able to claim other benefits on top of that such as WFA. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 19:10 - Dec 11 with 496 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 12:44 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
The person looking after them will never be able to afford to buy a home. |
That's the pensioners fault then is it, probably yes in your eyes. | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:21 - Dec 11 with 485 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 17:46 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
It was a reply to a cliam that a pensioner had to sell their home to pay for care.
Pensioners can work if they want too. Many do. |
They have worked long and hard enough especially if they've been manual workers, those who have sat on their arse's for 40 years still have plenty left, 48yrs manual work does a lot of damage to the body I can tell you, back, knee's elbows etc. got to the stage where Im' limping some days, those cheeky b......'s in government raising the retirement age means I've got to work until I'm nearly 67.
What sort of work do you do? | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:26 - Dec 11 with 482 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 19:10 - Dec 11 by majorraglan |
If the £680 is all the pensioner has, then they can claim pension credit which will top them up to around £392 for a couple and £212 for a single person. They’ll also be able to claim other benefits on top of that such as WFA. |
Hardly going to have a comfortable old age on those figures.
The ones I feel sorry for are people who are just over the threshold and unable to claim pension.
I must be honest I do find a few posts on this thread rather disconcerting | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:39 - Dec 11 with 454 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 19:26 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Hardly going to have a comfortable old age on those figures.
The ones I feel sorry for are people who are just over the threshold and unable to claim pension.
I must be honest I do find a few posts on this thread rather disconcerting |
Init, usual suspects though, as per! | |
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| Public sector pay on 19:43 - Dec 11 with 443 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 18:24 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Out of curiosity where do you get those figures from? |
The ONS.
A quick search will give some good sources too 👍 | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:05 - Dec 11 with 419 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
This is a bizarre thread which seems to be about pensioners (ave earnings £20K ) and someone on minimum wage £23K and who is the most deserving.
The question is how do people come to think like that? |  |
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| Public sector pay on 20:43 - Dec 11 with 374 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 20:05 - Dec 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
This is a bizarre thread which seems to be about pensioners (ave earnings £20K ) and someone on minimum wage £23K and who is the most deserving.
The question is how do people come to think like that? |
I don't think it's about whose more deserving, I'm jus somewhat suprised at some of the posts begrudging a pensioner a comfortable life, and comparing it to a care worker | |
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| Public sector pay on 20:46 - Dec 11 with 368 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 20:05 - Dec 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
This is a bizarre thread which seems to be about pensioners (ave earnings £20K ) and someone on minimum wage £23K and who is the most deserving.
The question is how do people come to think like that? |
Exactly. | |
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| Public sector pay on 20:49 - Dec 11 with 359 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 19:26 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Hardly going to have a comfortable old age on those figures.
The ones I feel sorry for are people who are just over the threshold and unable to claim pension.
I must be honest I do find a few posts on this thread rather disconcerting |
Nobody (I don’t think) wants a race to the bottom. It’s more in the situation we’re in with services on their knees and tax take needing to rise, where should it come from.
I don’t want to see hard up pensioner’s lives being made worse, but as a whole group, they’re one of the best off in society.
A lot of it is down to property. Older people have this asset and it’s out of reach for many younger ones. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:57 - Dec 11 with 346 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 20:49 - Dec 11 by Gwyn737 |
Nobody (I don’t think) wants a race to the bottom. It’s more in the situation we’re in with services on their knees and tax take needing to rise, where should it come from.
I don’t want to see hard up pensioner’s lives being made worse, but as a whole group, they’re one of the best off in society.
A lot of it is down to property. Older people have this asset and it’s out of reach for many younger ones. |
Why is it out of reach? Plenty of properties avaliable around Swansea for 100k so I'm sure a mortgage would be less than paying rent | |
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| Public sector pay on 20:58 - Dec 11 with 346 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 20:43 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
I don't think it's about whose more deserving, I'm jus somewhat suprised at some of the posts begrudging a pensioner a comfortable life, and comparing it to a care worker |
I'm all for care staff earning better money, got carers who call here twice a week for the youngest, one is a qualified nurse though the other her assistant, but we used to have just carers here,
But whatever carers earn as nothing to do with pensioners and I'm sure the majority if not all pensioners would like to see carers get better wages, but that's down to the companies they work for, they seem to do very well out of supplying staff, there should be and NVQ for carers at least then they'd have a qualification which may help.
That said we had carers when my Mother was seriously ill and some just went through the motions, not all were that keen to do much. | |
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| Public sector pay on 20:59 - Dec 11 with 342 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 20:05 - Dec 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
This is a bizarre thread which seems to be about pensioners (ave earnings £20K ) and someone on minimum wage £23K and who is the most deserving.
The question is how do people come to think like that? |
It's not about that to me. It's about the suggestion that public sector workers don't deserve the pay rises they're being awarded under labour when they fall way behind the % equivalent rise of the state pension due to the triple lock.
I don't begrudge pensioners anything, but the fact of the matter is that we can't afford the triple lock. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:02 - Dec 11 with 335 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 20:57 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Why is it out of reach? Plenty of properties avaliable around Swansea for 100k so I'm sure a mortgage would be less than paying rent |
You’d still have to find 15 grand as a deposit and that for a house in one of the cheaper areas of the uk. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:02 - Dec 11 with 335 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 19:21 - Dec 11 by max936 |
They have worked long and hard enough especially if they've been manual workers, those who have sat on their arse's for 40 years still have plenty left, 48yrs manual work does a lot of damage to the body I can tell you, back, knee's elbows etc. got to the stage where Im' limping some days, those cheeky b......'s in government raising the retirement age means I've got to work until I'm nearly 67.
What sort of work do you do? |
That was a reply to to someone who said if someone on minimum wage needed more cash they could work more.
I don't think pensioners should need to. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:06 - Dec 11 with 319 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 16:13 - Dec 11 by felixstowe_jack |
A care worker on minimum wages £23,000 a year.
State pension is £11942 a year a lot get even less than that. I am sure pensioners would welcome parity with Care Workers. |
The difference is care workers are employed and earning, pensioners are not
Many care workers also work part time as they have family commitments | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:07 - Dec 11 with 314 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 21:02 - Dec 11 by Gwyn737 |
You’d still have to find 15 grand as a deposit and that for a house in one of the cheaper areas of the uk. |
Not with a 95% mortgage and there's plenty of them around, just checked £525a month repayment | |
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| Public sector pay on 21:08 - Dec 11 with 303 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 20:49 - Dec 11 by Gwyn737 |
Nobody (I don’t think) wants a race to the bottom. It’s more in the situation we’re in with services on their knees and tax take needing to rise, where should it come from.
I don’t want to see hard up pensioner’s lives being made worse, but as a whole group, they’re one of the best off in society.
A lot of it is down to property. Older people have this asset and it’s out of reach for many younger ones. |
Some maybe the best off, but the point you are missing is the fact they've worked 40/50 yrs of their lives so why should they be??
Perhaps we should euthanise people once they're fulfilled their usefulness,
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| Public sector pay on 21:09 - Dec 11 with 299 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 20:59 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
It's not about that to me. It's about the suggestion that public sector workers don't deserve the pay rises they're being awarded under labour when they fall way behind the % equivalent rise of the state pension due to the triple lock.
I don't begrudge pensioners anything, but the fact of the matter is that we can't afford the triple lock. |
So can we afford universal credit then, plenty of people on that who haven't worked a day in their life | |
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| Public sector pay on 21:12 - Dec 11 with 292 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 21:09 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
So can we afford universal credit then, plenty of people on that who haven't worked a day in their life |
That doesn't increase linked to the triple lock.
No we can't afford that either, and we need to reduce the expenditure there too. | | | |
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