| Public sector pay 09:10 - Dec 11 with 8698 views | raynor94 |
Government recommending 2.8% rise, with inflation running at 2.6 %.
Will be interesting to see what the pay review body say, but this looks like a collision course for the government |  |
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| Public sector pay on 19:48 - Dec 12 with 998 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 19:25 - Dec 12 by Gwyn737 |
5 - 10 years ago I’d have agreed with you but there have been fast improvements since then.
The sector was pretty slow to accept research based practice but that has changed quite dramatically and it the older teachers who are running to keep up atm.
As I said that’s a pretty recent thing.
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I don’t the the education part is broken, it’s picking up the bits that once were health and social services that has really made things difficult. [Post edited 12 Dec 19:28]
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I know it's difficult for you to accept with it being your profession but we will have to disagree.
https://www.sec-ed.co.uk/content/news/another-year-and-another-40-000-teachers-q |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:03 - Dec 12 with 970 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 19:21 - Dec 12 by SullutaCreturned |
This has really rattled your cage, eh? |
Not really, its the bloody minded stuff about Pensioners and the triple lock of 4.1% or whatever which may give them a yearly income of maybe over 12k which may even take them above the tax threshold so at the end of the day, it won't even be 4.1% in all reality and its being shouted down by someone who sits in an office probably a lot of the time and who is earning a hell of a lot more than 12k, begrudging pensioners who a fair many of have worked in manual jobs in various industries and are suffering from the work they did then, now they are in their latter years. Incredible. |  |
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| Public sector pay on 20:04 - Dec 12 with 970 views | Gwyn737 |
I’m not sure what we’re disagreeing about?
I’ve said vacancies are a massive problem and that targeted are missed.
The figures I quoted are similar to the ones in the article you shared.
I think there’s a mix up somewhere…. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:09 - Dec 12 with 958 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 20:04 - Dec 12 by Gwyn737 |
I’m not sure what we’re disagreeing about?
I’ve said vacancies are a massive problem and that targeted are missed.
The figures I quoted are similar to the ones in the article you shared.
I think there’s a mix up somewhere…. |
Probably, best leave it there. [Post edited 12 Dec 20:10]
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| Public sector pay on 20:14 - Dec 12 with 931 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 20:09 - Dec 12 by Whiterockin |
Probably, best leave it there. [Post edited 12 Dec 20:10]
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| Public sector pay on 20:14 - Dec 12 with 931 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
8 or 9 percent is too high, 5 would be more manageable. It would be really interesting to see some detailed analysis on exactly what is happening. |  |
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| Public sector pay on 21:54 - Dec 12 with 871 views | majorraglan |
| Public sector pay on 22:43 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
So a couple living together or married? come on far to many today want things put on a plate for them.
I'm like Flashberry started off in a very modest property and worked our way up.
I gave an excellent example earlier 95k perhaps you could get it cheaper Pentregethin Road in lovely condition, perfect for a couple starting out on life |
I based it on a single person because many people who are looking for their first step on the property ladder are single like I was many years ago. When I bought my first house many years ago I maxed out on the affordability (it was 3.5 times my salary) and bought a house which needed a lot of work, so much so that I ended up gutting it.
If it’s a based on a couple it’s obviously a more affordable proposition, but for a single person that house in Swansea is a big commitment. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:02 - Dec 12 with 842 views | majorraglan |
| Public sector pay on 08:21 - Dec 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Interest aside in Drakeford's budget.
The Senedd have awarded local councils an average increase in their funding of 4.3%. All the labour run councils have been award funding increases above 4.3% including Cardiff and Newport at 5.3% and 5.7% getting the most.
All other councils run by PC, Conservative , independents or no overall control got the least with Vale of Glamorgan , Monmouthshire, Powys and Gwynedd getting 3.2% or less.
Almost as if the funding was based on the colour of the party rather than actual needs.
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Drakeford has explained that the increases are in part determined by demographics, particularly increasing and decreasing populations and also by the change in numbers of children going to school. There are other factors too, but the above are claimed to be the main drivers.
What we’re seeing is no different to what’s happened in the U.K. over the last 14 years, the Conservative areas were prioritised and other areas slipped down the pecking order. The failure to provide Wales with the compensatory funding Scotland and Northern Ireland received as part of the HS2 project is one such example as is the way Noris and the government spent the “levelling up “ funding in staunch blue seats instead.
Parties have always targeted the lions share of resources at their supporter base. [Post edited 12 Dec 22:03]
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| Public sector pay on 22:35 - Dec 12 with 794 views | majorraglan |
| Public sector pay on 20:03 - Dec 12 by max936 |
Not really, its the bloody minded stuff about Pensioners and the triple lock of 4.1% or whatever which may give them a yearly income of maybe over 12k which may even take them above the tax threshold so at the end of the day, it won't even be 4.1% in all reality and its being shouted down by someone who sits in an office probably a lot of the time and who is earning a hell of a lot more than 12k, begrudging pensioners who a fair many of have worked in manual jobs in various industries and are suffering from the work they did then, now they are in their latter years. Incredible. |
I’m not disagreeing that the U.K. pension is well below what some countries offer and more than what others offer. The problem we have is that many people don’t want to pay the level f tax needed to pay pension and the NHS and there’s a whole cohort who’ve never put in and want to take out! Balancing things out requires compromises.
In my view, people have to take some personal responsibility and those who work should be making provision for their future and that the state pension should be the cherry on the cake and not, as it is in many cases the only source of income people have. Those who have been unable to work or who have worked and fallen foul of scammers or rules which were inherently unfair to should be supported, but those who couldn't be bothered to graft and contribute should get a lot less.
I believe the State pension should be universal and just because someone has an occupational pension of £70k pa shouldn’t stop them getting the State Pension because they’ve contributed enough, but they shouldn’t get the WHA. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:59 - Dec 12 with 776 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 22:35 - Dec 12 by majorraglan |
I’m not disagreeing that the U.K. pension is well below what some countries offer and more than what others offer. The problem we have is that many people don’t want to pay the level f tax needed to pay pension and the NHS and there’s a whole cohort who’ve never put in and want to take out! Balancing things out requires compromises.
In my view, people have to take some personal responsibility and those who work should be making provision for their future and that the state pension should be the cherry on the cake and not, as it is in many cases the only source of income people have. Those who have been unable to work or who have worked and fallen foul of scammers or rules which were inherently unfair to should be supported, but those who couldn't be bothered to graft and contribute should get a lot less.
I believe the State pension should be universal and just because someone has an occupational pension of £70k pa shouldn’t stop them getting the State Pension because they’ve contributed enough, but they shouldn’t get the WHA. |
I have a tidy private pension, which I contributed to for 42 years, but what I do find baffling is some going on about the triple lock and taking away the free prescriptions.
They are venting their spleen at the wrong people, how on earth did we manage back in the day | |
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| Public sector pay on 09:10 - Dec 13 with 682 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 19:03 - Dec 12 by max936 |
Well go and do an "environmental impact assessment" on our rivers and environment, what do you think the impact of all that pollution is doing?
Have you actually achieved anything ? sitting in the office drinking coffee and talking about it won't solve the problem, so many different job titles that lap over onto each other ends up with nothing getting done except keeping those with those titles drawing wages whilst yapping like cockle women. |
I know exactly what the impact is and where it is coming from. It's easy to sort out too, as I've said before Milk needs to be about £5 a pint and eggs £1 each.
I am sorry I've annoyed you - I'm just considering the big picture cost of things.
I'm not begrudging pensioners anything, I'll be one in 20 years and my parents are now. But the triple lock costs at the very least £10 Billion pounds a year when compared to salary linked increases - thats 50% of the so called "blackhole.
To me salary linked increases seem to be fair, especially when people crticise public sector pay awards. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 09:41 - Dec 13 with 654 views | Algorfajack |
| Public sector pay on 09:57 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
The state pension will go up by 4.1% over the same period due to the triple lock.
That does seem unfair to me. |
Let's not forget that the 'Living wage' is £26208 outside of London (£12.60ph x 40hrs x 52 wks & the Full state pension £11502.40 (£221.20pw x 52 wks)
4.1% is not really unfair based on that. |  |
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| Public sector pay on 10:17 - Dec 13 with 622 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 09:41 - Dec 13 by Algorfajack |
Let's not forget that the 'Living wage' is £26208 outside of London (£12.60ph x 40hrs x 52 wks & the Full state pension £11502.40 (£221.20pw x 52 wks)
4.1% is not really unfair based on that. |
It's not bad at all. The truth is, they just want to have a go at Labour and will use any reason to do so | | | |
| Public sector pay on 14:59 - Dec 13 with 535 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Public sector pay on 09:41 - Dec 13 by Algorfajack |
Let's not forget that the 'Living wage' is £26208 outside of London (£12.60ph x 40hrs x 52 wks & the Full state pension £11502.40 (£221.20pw x 52 wks)
4.1% is not really unfair based on that. |
Yes, I already said it somewhere, don't look at the percentages and look at the actual cash value.
I think our state pension is poor and should be higher. But then I also believe that all benefits should be means tested (A pension not being a benefit) and the WFA, free prescriptions, bus passes etc should only be for those who actually need them.
I looked it up, pensioner benefits cost the UK about 11.3 percent of the budget, around 138 billion this year, pensions will cost roughly 125 billion. 4.1%of that is around 5.25 billion I think so not sure where Scotia gets 10-15 billion from. That'd be up over 10%. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 19:51 - Dec 13 with 417 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 14:59 - Dec 13 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes, I already said it somewhere, don't look at the percentages and look at the actual cash value.
I think our state pension is poor and should be higher. But then I also believe that all benefits should be means tested (A pension not being a benefit) and the WFA, free prescriptions, bus passes etc should only be for those who actually need them.
I looked it up, pensioner benefits cost the UK about 11.3 percent of the budget, around 138 billion this year, pensions will cost roughly 125 billion. 4.1%of that is around 5.25 billion I think so not sure where Scotia gets 10-15 billion from. That'd be up over 10%. |
It's from the IFS, a similar report is here.
https://www.economicsobservatory.com/can-the-uk-afford-the-triple-lock-on-state-
The real issue with it is the future costs. Some forecasts have the costs at over £100 billion in years to come. Big pinch of salt with that though. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:03 - Dec 13 with 387 views | SullutaCreturned |
The chase for perpetual growth is the bad thing. As long as people keep on wanting more we will see this continue.
By more I mean larger numbers. it doesn't matter that those record pay packets are actually worth less in real terms as prices rise ahead of them. And the hyper inflated pay pacakes of CEO's sports stars, celebrities and even politicans just add to inflation.
People need to stop chasing bigger profits, bigger houses and cars and worry more about being happy. Constantly chasing more will only produce more misery. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:43 - Dec 13 with 368 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 20:03 - Dec 13 by SullutaCreturned |
The chase for perpetual growth is the bad thing. As long as people keep on wanting more we will see this continue.
By more I mean larger numbers. it doesn't matter that those record pay packets are actually worth less in real terms as prices rise ahead of them. And the hyper inflated pay pacakes of CEO's sports stars, celebrities and even politicans just add to inflation.
People need to stop chasing bigger profits, bigger houses and cars and worry more about being happy. Constantly chasing more will only produce more misery. |
The interesting thing in the article is that it says it can't last and will have to be got rid of because It's too expensive. It should never have been introduced in the first place.
The problem is that should any political party mention getting rid of it they're finished. Just look at the furore around the WHA.
The entire system and media needs massive revision. I get the feeling we're going to have to take a massive step back before we move forward. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:19 - Dec 13 with 352 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 09:10 - Dec 13 by Scotia |
I know exactly what the impact is and where it is coming from. It's easy to sort out too, as I've said before Milk needs to be about £5 a pint and eggs £1 each.
I am sorry I've annoyed you - I'm just considering the big picture cost of things.
I'm not begrudging pensioners anything, I'll be one in 20 years and my parents are now. But the triple lock costs at the very least £10 Billion pounds a year when compared to salary linked increases - thats 50% of the so called "blackhole.
To me salary linked increases seem to be fair, especially when people crticise public sector pay awards. |
Yeah that's how you solve it raise the price of the products that cause the pollution you're an environmental impact accessor and that's your recommendation, dear me whatever you're paid its to much, what you do is clear you shut these places down until they put their house's in order, by investing in the proper equipment to make the waste they produce safe and dispose of it safely, you can have that one for free anymore advice and I'll add an extra 4.1% to my bill.
As regards the triple lock of 4,1% increase to the 12,500 yearly [approx] gives pensioners just over 13k a year. and that'll take them over the tax threshold so they pay tax on some of it, so 4.1% it won't be
If we say that the average wage of a public sector worker is 35k you add 2.8% onto that and it amounts to a £980 increase and you are saying that the 4.1% is unfair, unbelievable, absolutely clueless. | |
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| Public sector pay on 21:41 - Dec 13 with 329 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 21:19 - Dec 13 by max936 |
Yeah that's how you solve it raise the price of the products that cause the pollution you're an environmental impact accessor and that's your recommendation, dear me whatever you're paid its to much, what you do is clear you shut these places down until they put their house's in order, by investing in the proper equipment to make the waste they produce safe and dispose of it safely, you can have that one for free anymore advice and I'll add an extra 4.1% to my bill.
As regards the triple lock of 4,1% increase to the 12,500 yearly [approx] gives pensioners just over 13k a year. and that'll take them over the tax threshold so they pay tax on some of it, so 4.1% it won't be
If we say that the average wage of a public sector worker is 35k you add 2.8% onto that and it amounts to a £980 increase and you are saying that the 4.1% is unfair, unbelievable, absolutely clueless. |
Excellent post Max, oh and he wants you to pay for your prescriptions as well.
The joys of growing old | |
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| Public sector pay on 21:52 - Dec 13 with 295 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 21:19 - Dec 13 by max936 |
Yeah that's how you solve it raise the price of the products that cause the pollution you're an environmental impact accessor and that's your recommendation, dear me whatever you're paid its to much, what you do is clear you shut these places down until they put their house's in order, by investing in the proper equipment to make the waste they produce safe and dispose of it safely, you can have that one for free anymore advice and I'll add an extra 4.1% to my bill.
As regards the triple lock of 4,1% increase to the 12,500 yearly [approx] gives pensioners just over 13k a year. and that'll take them over the tax threshold so they pay tax on some of it, so 4.1% it won't be
If we say that the average wage of a public sector worker is 35k you add 2.8% onto that and it amounts to a £980 increase and you are saying that the 4.1% is unfair, unbelievable, absolutely clueless. |
The issue is if public sector pay continues to lag behind the private sector, as it has for pretty much the last 15 years, we won’t be able to fill posts.
Almost all public sector jobs are PAYE so a solid tax raiser. That money is use to pay pensions.
It’s a real worry. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:55 - Dec 13 with 293 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 21:19 - Dec 13 by max936 |
Yeah that's how you solve it raise the price of the products that cause the pollution you're an environmental impact accessor and that's your recommendation, dear me whatever you're paid its to much, what you do is clear you shut these places down until they put their house's in order, by investing in the proper equipment to make the waste they produce safe and dispose of it safely, you can have that one for free anymore advice and I'll add an extra 4.1% to my bill.
As regards the triple lock of 4,1% increase to the 12,500 yearly [approx] gives pensioners just over 13k a year. and that'll take them over the tax threshold so they pay tax on some of it, so 4.1% it won't be
If we say that the average wage of a public sector worker is 35k you add 2.8% onto that and it amounts to a £980 increase and you are saying that the 4.1% is unfair, unbelievable, absolutely clueless. |
You're missing the point. I don't want to raise the price people just need to pay what it costs to produce this stuff without destroying the environment, or eat / drink less
We won't do it, so it'll continue. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:42 - Dec 13 with 248 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 21:41 - Dec 13 by raynor94 |
Excellent post Max, oh and he wants you to pay for your prescriptions as well.
The joys of growing old |
I don't want anyone who can't afford to pay for prescriptions to pay for them, but those who can should. No different to England.
No wonder this country is bankrupt. Everyone has to pay their own way in some form, there will be extremes at both ends but someone has to pay. The problem is we're massively in debt to public services but nobody wants to pay that debt.
Blame the immigrants I suppose. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:47 - Dec 13 with 242 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 21:55 - Dec 13 by Scotia |
You're missing the point. I don't want to raise the price people just need to pay what it costs to produce this stuff without destroying the environment, or eat / drink less
We won't do it, so it'll continue. |
Not interested, I made my points clear.
No more from me, there's talkers and there's doer's . I know what I'd rather be and I know what you are.
Good Evening. | |
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| Public sector pay on 23:02 - Dec 13 with 234 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 22:47 - Dec 13 by max936 |
Not interested, I made my points clear.
No more from me, there's talkers and there's doer's . I know what I'd rather be and I know what you are.
Good Evening. |
Most people aren't interested and that's the problem.
I don't wish to offend but all I'm doing is pointing out the reality. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 23:10 - Dec 13 with 220 views | max936 |
| Public sector pay on 21:52 - Dec 13 by Gwyn737 |
The issue is if public sector pay continues to lag behind the private sector, as it has for pretty much the last 15 years, we won’t be able to fill posts.
Almost all public sector jobs are PAYE so a solid tax raiser. That money is use to pay pensions.
It’s a real worry. |
Public sector wages are nothing to do with pensioners, Pensioners have paid their due's, but that's not good enough for some on this thread, disgusting.
Some on here want to spend 3 months in industry and I'd put money on some of them not lasting a week and will go back to sitting on their desks and comfy chairs, most of the pensioners that'll benefit from the triple lock are mostly from lowly paid manual work not all are skilled, some make it to retirement others don't for one reason or another I see those people through my working week.
Who's the next target the disabled I bet. Proper eye opener this thread fair do's. | |
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