| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread 23:43 - Mar 12 with 7933 views | ModeratorC |
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Swansea City: Lawrence Vigouroux; Josh Key, Ben Cabango (captain), Kyle Naughton, Josh Tymon; Lewis O’Brien, Gonçalo Franco; Ronald, Liam Cullen, Jisung Eom; Žan Vipotnik.
Substitutes: Jon McLaughlin, Jay Fulton, Joe Allen, Josh Ginnelly, Florian Bianchini, Cyrus Christie, Ollie Cooper, Arthur Parker, Sam Parker.
Burnley: James Trafford, Maxime Esteve, CJ Egan-Riley, Josh Brownhill (captain), Jaidon Anthony, Connor Roberts, Zian Flemming, Marcus Edwards, Lucas Pires, Josh Cullen, Josh Laurent.
Substitutes: Vaclav Hladky, Oliver Sonne, Joe Worrall, Jeremy Sarmiento, Manuel Benson, Lyle Foster, Hannibal Mejbri, Luca Koleosho, Ashley Barnes.
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 21:09 - Mar 15 with 1691 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 20:53 - Mar 15 by builthjack |
Agree with most of that. Key a liability too. League 1 player.
Poor substitutions, I think Sheehan was happy to keep it at 2-0 rather than chase the game.
Having said that, how on earth did Ronald miss that header.
Did their keeper have a save to make? I don’t think he did |
He should have had a penalty to save and Ronald shouldn’t have even given him a chance with that header.
Other than that, I don’t think he did. Poor. | | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 21:16 - Mar 15 with 1633 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 20:36 - Mar 15 by HoneyBadger |
Swansea did have big periods of possession, especially in the second half.
But they weren't direct and threatening enough.
We lacked fight.
We need a Brick Top type character amongst the coaching staff to turn the players into horrible c***s that the opposition really do not relish playing against. |
it does seem like a few of our players have had their "jacob's" cut off.
We need to buy a pig farm so we can be rid of a few of these players!
You are dead right, the opposition need to learn what Nemesis means and hate coming down our way. | | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 21:21 - Mar 15 with 1636 views | HoneyBadger |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 21:16 - Mar 15 by SullutaCreturned |
it does seem like a few of our players have had their "jacob's" cut off.
We need to buy a pig farm so we can be rid of a few of these players!
You are dead right, the opposition need to learn what Nemesis means and hate coming down our way. |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 00:35 - Mar 16 with 1412 views | oldtownjack |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 21:16 - Mar 15 by SullutaCreturned |
it does seem like a few of our players have had their "jacob's" cut off.
We need to buy a pig farm so we can be rid of a few of these players!
You are dead right, the opposition need to learn what Nemesis means and hate coming down our way. |
I love Snatch. The film is tidy too.  | |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 05:25 - Mar 16 with 1319 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 20:36 - Mar 15 by Treforys_Jack |
I'll tell you who gets a free pass from supporters, Liam Cullen, he is simply anonymous yet never gets criticised. Eom is a far braver player, never hides always looking for the ball even when things aren't going his way. Ronald is poor and has been all season. It looks like we have another Fulton fan in Sheehan which is a worry for me. |
Cullen hasn’t been on form for a while. When he puts it together, you can see he’s got the quality, but I agree he shouldn’t be immune to criticism when he’s been as poor as he has lately.
Wouldn’t say he hides. I’d certainly say Sheehans tactic of long balls for him to compete aerially don’t suit him (nor Eom or Ronald) at all.
Thought Eom had a good game yesterday and Fulton had a decent cameo. | | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:01 - Mar 16 with 1169 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 05:25 - Mar 16 by jack247 |
Cullen hasn’t been on form for a while. When he puts it together, you can see he’s got the quality, but I agree he shouldn’t be immune to criticism when he’s been as poor as he has lately.
Wouldn’t say he hides. I’d certainly say Sheehans tactic of long balls for him to compete aerially don’t suit him (nor Eom or Ronald) at all.
Thought Eom had a good game yesterday and Fulton had a decent cameo. |
I was amazed Eom got subbed I thought he was causing Burnley problems.
I would have taken off Cullen moved Eom to 10 and brought on Ginelly and Bianchini on out wide perhaps dropping Ronald to full back for Key who had a mare.
I have always liked Fulton but for me not a player to bring on when chasing a game...maybe Cooper could have replaced Franco? | |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:02 - Mar 16 with 1171 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 05:25 - Mar 16 by jack247 |
Cullen hasn’t been on form for a while. When he puts it together, you can see he’s got the quality, but I agree he shouldn’t be immune to criticism when he’s been as poor as he has lately.
Wouldn’t say he hides. I’d certainly say Sheehans tactic of long balls for him to compete aerially don’t suit him (nor Eom or Ronald) at all.
Thought Eom had a good game yesterday and Fulton had a decent cameo. |
The understanding between Key and Ronald is totally missing, but iI think that is more to do with both Key and to an extent Tymon pushing forward too early when playing out from the back and then having to recieving the ball behind them so they are stuck on the touch line and have to play balls in field with their weaker foot or try turning again they have to use their weaker foot. It was noticeable how when both Naughton and Key played on the wrong side,the left they both looked far more comfortable being able to cut inside or playing the inside pass to the midfield the only problem with that is as you try to shepherd a winger down the line to make a tackle you are on the wrong foot, that is why wingers swap wings to enable them to cut inside onto their stronger foot to get the better of the defender.
So having the full backs high results in stupid mistakes Franco's thinking his full back is still lying deep, Darling pass to Delacroix, Tymon too high, Delacroix a centre half by nature staying narrow instead of giving width to allow space for the pass. Similarly Key as a fullback should not be expecting to have time on the ball at this level, one touch football and his first though should be to open his body out and let the ball pass in front of him so he can play a simple first time ball to the winger down the line either to feet or over the top, similarly he could play infield to the midfield or the forwards. Wingers know what to expect if a fullback is tight on them but if the ball is slow then head way is almost impossible.
It has been noticeable if teams allow us to get the ball wide quickly we can create space as against QPR and Blackburn but if they don't like Watford and Burnley then playing the full backs so high is folly it closes the space up and allows the opposition to close the game down and that is what they both did after going ahead pushing the fullbacks willy nilly leaves us exposed.
The original point is Key should be recieving the ball as quickly as possible Keys his first though should be to get the ball forward if Key and Tymon drop deep then Franco and OBrien don't have to and can provide outlets in the middle as the full back drop deeps the wingers push on they open the pitch up instead of condensing it which is all a defending team wants. If one thing doesn't work you try something different OBrien and Franco end up being pulled far too deep too often.
Add to that the fact that neither of the middle of the attack can create enough space for themselves or have the pace or the skills to take defenders on Cullen and Vipotnik, we have seen Ronald and Eom can if given the ball in space but not if they can be double marked if the field is condensed and the service is slow. | | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:10 - Mar 16 with 1141 views | Dr_Winston |
Ronald's biggest problem is his lack of genuine pace. He's not quick enough to get around the outside of players. He even got out paced to a decent through ball by one of their CB's I think.
He's reasonably capable when cutting in from the left, but he simply can't play on the right. Can't fault his work ethic, and he may actually be better defensively than he is going forward, but someone who needs to be less sure of his starting place for me. Certainly Bianchini needs to be getting more game time. |  |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:32 - Mar 16 with 1099 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:10 - Mar 16 by Dr_Winston |
Ronald's biggest problem is his lack of genuine pace. He's not quick enough to get around the outside of players. He even got out paced to a decent through ball by one of their CB's I think.
He's reasonably capable when cutting in from the left, but he simply can't play on the right. Can't fault his work ethic, and he may actually be better defensively than he is going forward, but someone who needs to be less sure of his starting place for me. Certainly Bianchini needs to be getting more game time. |
Agree on Ronald to a degree he looked a better defensive option than Key stronger in the air and tighter to wingers and not knocked off the ball so easier maybe because of his lack of defensive experience he gets the ball away quicker, hedoes chase the ball down a bit but if covering players get it right he is ok but he did make a rash challenge in the box yesterday luckily the winger stayed on his feet.
You commented on Cullen and Copper and I have said in the past I liked Cooper alongside Cundle but in those instances we had Piroe, Paterson and Ntcham to create things, as far as I'm concerned Franco and O'Brien get enough ball now for the forwards but Vipotnik, Cullen and Cooper are hardly creativity players, Vipotnik won enough ball yesterday I wonder if the likes of Ginnelly and/or Bianchini should be played off Vipotnik or at times pull the wingers in tighter to support Vipotnik and also create space for the full backs especially when the fullbacks get good crosses in the wingers should where possible get in the box, it was noticeable yesterday Cullen sitting on the edge of the box waiting for pullback and not getting in the six yard box ,at times he should leave the oncoming midfielder get to the edge of the box. [Post edited 16 Mar 9:37]
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:40 - Mar 16 with 1069 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:32 - Mar 16 by RichardO |
Agree on Ronald to a degree he looked a better defensive option than Key stronger in the air and tighter to wingers and not knocked off the ball so easier maybe because of his lack of defensive experience he gets the ball away quicker, hedoes chase the ball down a bit but if covering players get it right he is ok but he did make a rash challenge in the box yesterday luckily the winger stayed on his feet.
You commented on Cullen and Copper and I have said in the past I liked Cooper alongside Cundle but in those instances we had Piroe, Paterson and Ntcham to create things, as far as I'm concerned Franco and O'Brien get enough ball now for the forwards but Vipotnik, Cullen and Cooper are hardly creativity players, Vipotnik won enough ball yesterday I wonder if the likes of Ginnelly and/or Bianchini should be played off Vipotnik or at times pull the wingers in tighter to support Vipotnik and also create space for the full backs especially when the fullbacks get good crosses in the wingers should where possible get in the box, it was noticeable yesterday Cullen sitting on the edge of the box waiting for pullback and not getting in the six yard box ,at times he should leave the oncoming midfielder get to the edge of the box. [Post edited 16 Mar 9:37]
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Aren't these points you raise addressed at training
This is what coaching should be all about | |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:46 - Mar 16 with 1063 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:10 - Mar 16 by Dr_Winston |
Ronald's biggest problem is his lack of genuine pace. He's not quick enough to get around the outside of players. He even got out paced to a decent through ball by one of their CB's I think.
He's reasonably capable when cutting in from the left, but he simply can't play on the right. Can't fault his work ethic, and he may actually be better defensively than he is going forward, but someone who needs to be less sure of his starting place for me. Certainly Bianchini needs to be getting more game time. |
As you say beaten for pace yesterday by their big central defender, not once but continually, it should never happen. Yet we persisted with trying to play the long ball, very poor by Sheehan. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 10:10 - Mar 16 with 1024 views | controversial_jack |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:10 - Mar 16 by Dr_Winston |
Ronald's biggest problem is his lack of genuine pace. He's not quick enough to get around the outside of players. He even got out paced to a decent through ball by one of their CB's I think.
He's reasonably capable when cutting in from the left, but he simply can't play on the right. Can't fault his work ethic, and he may actually be better defensively than he is going forward, but someone who needs to be less sure of his starting place for me. Certainly Bianchini needs to be getting more game time. |
He was left for pace a few times yesterday. His final ball is terrible, he just blasts it at the defender and hopes for a corner. He's an awful player who shouldn't be getting selected | | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 10:18 - Mar 16 with 1018 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:46 - Mar 16 by Whiterockin |
As you say beaten for pace yesterday by their big central defender, not once but continually, it should never happen. Yet we persisted with trying to play the long ball, very poor by Sheehan. |
It's funny how games can appear "different" to what the stats suggest.
We had the majority of the possession yesterday but as you say, we looked a lot more direct than in other recent games where we didn't see as much of the ball but played it better. It very much seemed like a reversion to the worst of Williams.
The biggest problem we have is that for the vast majority of the last four years, and arguably the last six, our players have been coached to do things at a slower pace than they should. Old habits die hard. Maybe it was a tactical choice, maybe just a bad game. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 10:48 - Mar 16 with 974 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 10:18 - Mar 16 by Dr_Winston |
It's funny how games can appear "different" to what the stats suggest.
We had the majority of the possession yesterday but as you say, we looked a lot more direct than in other recent games where we didn't see as much of the ball but played it better. It very much seemed like a reversion to the worst of Williams.
The biggest problem we have is that for the vast majority of the last four years, and arguably the last six, our players have been coached to do things at a slower pace than they should. Old habits die hard. Maybe it was a tactical choice, maybe just a bad game. |
We were direct yesterday. We only had so much possession because they pressed high until we gifted them two goals, then sat back knowing Sheehan wanted us to play long diagonal balls to players they could easily dominate in the air. We did it all first half.
It may have been different had they not scored so early. They were pressing very high and the ball for Ronald to run on to may have worked.
This isn’t an overreaction to yesterday’s game, as I thought it when he had 7 points from 3 games. Perfect man to come in and mop up the mess after Williams, keep us in the division, which I believe he’ll do quite comfortably even if the gap gets closer after we play Leeds. But I don’t think he’s the man to take us forward if we either plan on making a challenge for promotion, or signing cheap diamonds and giving them a platform to increase their value and move on. | | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 16:30 - Mar 16 with 745 views | onehunglow |
We lost and
It's quiet on here
Apathy seeping in maybe
Get it sorted out ! | |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 17:04 - Mar 16 with 709 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 16:30 - Mar 16 by onehunglow |
We lost and
It's quiet on here
Apathy seeping in maybe
Get it sorted out ! |
International break. | | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 17:10 - Mar 16 with 688 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 09:10 - Mar 16 by Dr_Winston |
Ronald's biggest problem is his lack of genuine pace. He's not quick enough to get around the outside of players. He even got out paced to a decent through ball by one of their CB's I think.
He's reasonably capable when cutting in from the left, but he simply can't play on the right. Can't fault his work ethic, and he may actually be better defensively than he is going forward, but someone who needs to be less sure of his starting place for me. Certainly Bianchini needs to be getting more game time. |
Yeah, the Burnley No5 outpaced him which was a bit of a shock tbh. He was some player that fella fairplay. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 17:20 - Mar 16 with 667 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 17:04 - Mar 16 by Whiterockin |
International break. |
And six nations over
I shall be looking up what books I've not read
Good time to have another holiday | |
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| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 06:15 - Mar 17 with 447 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Burnley : Match day thread on 17:10 - Mar 16 by Treforys_Jack |
Yeah, the Burnley No5 outpaced him which was a bit of a shock tbh. He was some player that fella fairplay. |
Having pacy backs centre halves maybe be why Burnley looked so tight on defence also having the experience to be in the right position initially so they can get in between the long ball and the forward to make it harder for the even winger to go passed them to be fair Cabango and Darling do it, giving them enough time to build speed to enable them to make a clearance and being strong enough not to be pushed off the ball.
Defensively Ronald is hard to get passed where as Key and Tymon either give the wingers too much space or because of what they are asked to do getting forward sometimes too early they are out of defensive shape and susceptible to the ball over the top, Key has more pace than most wingers and can often get back but needs to be covered by Cabango sometimes, Tymon often gets covered by Darling but sometimes Darling positioning let's him down but as we have seen when the full backs start in the right positions they can be an asset in both defence and attack, if they get their positioning wrong against teams especially the ones with better attackers we start making stupid mistakes as a team, gifting more clinical forwards clearcut chances that they put away. As defenders first and foremost you have to start defensively to ensure you don't give teams that give teams like Burnley an advantage that is very hard to recover.
To be fair to Tymon he is looking better defensively these days but when at times we our push up too early instead of sitting deeper and playing first time balls to wingers either way there is only a certain amount of time a full back can dwell on the ball in either position against pressing wingers and they really cannot afford to press too early letting the pass get intercepted or taking too many touches on the ball getting caught in possession. [Post edited 17 Mar 21:23]
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