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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:07 - Jan 24 by PinnerPaul
Spot on Clive.
What people forget, including TV commentators, is that Violent Conduct can be against "......any other person" as per LOTG.
Always a surprise when ref shows red card when not against an opponent, but fighting with team mates, hitting the ref, grappling with streakers, head butting mascots and kicking ball boys are all red card offences!
As Dermot Gallagher said this morning, imagine the furore if he had NOT sent him off!!!
Oh, dear, I'm also occasionally in favour of players lamping pitch invading t wats. That kno bhead who ran on the pitch and stuck his palm in Kirkwood's chops at SWFC v Leeds - I'd have loved to have seen him getting booted all over the shop by various Wednesday players.
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:13 - Jan 24 with 1787 views
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:10 - Jan 24 by Konk
Oh, dear, I'm also occasionally in favour of players lamping pitch invading t wats. That kno bhead who ran on the pitch and stuck his palm in Kirkwood's chops at SWFC v Leeds - I'd have loved to have seen him getting booted all over the shop by various Wednesday players.
I am with you on that one Konk although I am not saying that it is right lol+ I can remember Brian clough doing that to qpr pitch invading fans and thought it was justified.
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:15 - Jan 24 with 1779 views
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 13:55 - Jan 24 by gobbles
I just cannot understand people trying to justify this.
If you went into a shop or restaurant and were upset at the service, does that justify you pushing the shop assistant or waitress to the floor and kicking them?
It doesn't matter if his dad is a director, it doesn't matter if he said he was going to waste time, it doesn't mind if his Twitter page shows him drinking. That is all nonsense. The only thing that matter is if Hazard was justified in doing what he did. And any sane person would say he wasn't.
And if Hazard had just manned up and apologised, no one would be going on about this. Instead, he did that mealy-mouthed "he apologised to me, so I apologised to him" rubbish.
Compare that to the incident with David Luiz and a fan during the infamous game against Chelsea last season. We're hanging on, fan throws the ball away from him, he makes a gesture and is given dog's abuse. Yet, at the end of the game Luiz doesn't just slink off, he goes over to the crowd, finds the fan and apologises. And that shows the difference between Luiz and Hazard, one manned up and made a proper apology, Hazard hid and acted like a prick.
I think comparing the service a ball boy provides to the service you receive in a restaurant/shop is a bit silly. Having said that, if I paid for a beer and a barman deliberately, and provocatively didn’t pass it to me, I would be pretty pi&&ed off and would try and get it off him. This isn’t really the point, Footballers should be allowed to retrieve a Football, I shouldn’t necessarily be allowed to pour my own beer, although this would be a welcome thing to do. How many times have you seen your team losing in a match and players racing off the pitch to retrieve the ball up and give it back to the opposition. Seen Jamie Mac do it on a few occasions and others. There’s nothing wrong with it. In fact I’d go so far as to say I like to see that sort of urgency in my players.
We now have a situation where a ball boy, deliberately, and provocatively delays a player getting on with the game. Time wasting is bad enough when the opposition keeper does his usual act, but when someone not even involved in the match is doing it, it gets even more annoying. The ref appears to have limited control over this part of the Football game.
Hazard should have been dismissed, but personally I can understand his reaction, he didn’t punch the kid, he didn’t slap him, he was doing his best to get the ball back and crossed a line by partially kicking him as he tried to release the ball. I don’t think he was trying to hurt the kid but because of his actions he rightly got a red card.
If we’d been in a semi final away from HQ, and Adel Tarrabt had done what Hazard did yesterday, I would be disappointed he did it as it cost us the win but I wouldn’t be slaughtering him like a lot of the media have been with Hazard. A red card is fair punishment, he shouldn’t have done it. A lot of people seem to think it’s one of the worst crimes ever committed and can’t understand how he managed to do it. I can, the guy was a 17yr old bell end, boasting about how he was looking forward to wasting time before the game even kicked off. You should be able to get at players in the stands, players on the pitch are able to irritate each other, but when a ball boy (employed to return Footballs) can start impacting on the game I think it’s lost its way.
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:23 - Jan 24 with 1751 views
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:08 - Jan 24 by Northernr
I shall retire at this point. Potentially to summon strength for another go at explaining this, possibly with finger puppets. Although in truth the old phrase about not arguing with eejits because they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience is probably apt.
We have a good idea of what is irrelevant but what is relevant is the difference between a "kid" and a 17 year old youth. Can we just stop the "kid" and/or "young lad" emotive references in further posts.
I hope the lad does get reprimanded by both the club and his parents as he's let both down.Tweeting before the game that he's going to time waste is unprofessional when you are later going to be representing a professional sports club/company/business. He needs to know that you have to face the consequences of your actions and that you cannot behave how you bloody well please. I think he's been totally disrespectful to the Club.
If not, then there is no hope as people will grow up believing they can behave exactly how they please, which pretty much seems to be the case these days anyway.
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:44 - Jan 24 with 1699 views
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 14:28 - Jan 24 by fakekerby
A rule of being a ballboy is to 'set out to deliberately waste time'?
Pretty much. An employee of a pro club once told me new ball boys are 'coached' to return the ball quicker to home players / take their time with away players if the game situation makes it favourable to the home team.
Hoddle on Sky last night said much the same thing. like it's common knowledge within the game (he compared it to the Stoke towel only available to home players before a long throw business)
After last night, clubs just may think twice about this.
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 15:43 - Jan 24 by Juzzie
I hope the lad does get reprimanded by both the club and his parents as he's let both down.Tweeting before the game that he's going to time waste is unprofessional when you are later going to be representing a professional sports club/company/business. He needs to know that you have to face the consequences of your actions and that you cannot behave how you bloody well please. I think he's been totally disrespectful to the Club.
If not, then there is no hope as people will grow up believing they can behave exactly how they please, which pretty much seems to be the case these days anyway.
I only watched the highlights - I was deliberately watching the ball boy because of what had been reported and I thought a particular passage of play earlier in the game was going to be that incident - he didn't look as if he was time wasting then and passed the ball straight to Hazard, and as said earlier he was on the ball in the particular incident because he was pushed. There is no issue other than Hazard is not entitled to kick the lad, the rest is incidental. As loftboy said, I think, everyone thought our ball boy was the star of the show when he deliberately held up play at the Chelsea game so you can't have it both ways
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 18:21 - Jan 24 with 1576 views
Wow listen to this - "Typical deceitful bbc as ususal. Still insisting that Hazard kicked the ball boy. I got the real story AND video from TalkSport where you clearly see the ball getting kicked.
Deceit makes for a better circus. Sick of this bbc rubbish."
I can't believe people this stupid actually exist. They should get a large jab to the ribs. With a nuclear bomb.
“The thing about football - the important thing about football - is that it is not just about football.â€
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 21:17 - Jan 24 with 1497 views
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 14:18 - Jan 24 by Northernr
And you are still, ten pages on, totally missing the point. Age of ball boy irrelevant, strength of kick irrelevant, ball boy wasting time irrelevant, whether he kicked the ball or not irrelevant, thickness of ballboy's coat irrelevant, ballboy feigning injury irrelevant, ballboy looking at referee and linesman irrelevant, Sky Sports only showing one angle of it irrelevant.
It was a moronic, stupid, idiotic thing to do. He shouldn't have been anywhere near him. Anything other than that is immaterial. He was sent off which was the correct decision. He should serve the ban and that should be the end of it.
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100% right - there is nothing in the laws about how a player should retrieve the ball from a ball boy or the crowd. If time is wasted the ref adds in on. "End of"
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 21:46 - Jan 24 with 1482 views
It's a ball boy's job to retrieve the ball and make it available for play.
It's a players job to score goals, make tackles and try to pass to someone wearing the same shirt. (SWP please note)
It's a ref's job to control the game, administer the laws of the game and add time on for any deliberate wasting of time.
It's a pundit's job to speak reasonable English and reflect on the game impartially without bias or resorting to attacking the views of others. Mix or confuse the roles and you get anarchy and mayhem .... and last night's pantomime .
Only Chris Foy performed the task assigned to him with any credit last night.
Hard to award the King Knob award outright to any of the other three, but Pat Nevin gets it by a blue knob end. As the French say " Quel un tosseur"
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Why does it feel like R'SWiPe is still on the books? Yer Couldn't Make It Up.Well Done Me!
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 22:11 - Jan 24 with 1446 views
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 21:46 - Jan 24 by ShotKneesHoop
It's a ball boy's job to retrieve the ball and make it available for play.
It's a players job to score goals, make tackles and try to pass to someone wearing the same shirt. (SWP please note)
It's a ref's job to control the game, administer the laws of the game and add time on for any deliberate wasting of time.
It's a pundit's job to speak reasonable English and reflect on the game impartially without bias or resorting to attacking the views of others. Mix or confuse the roles and you get anarchy and mayhem .... and last night's pantomime .
Only Chris Foy performed the task assigned to him with any credit last night.
Hard to award the King Knob award outright to any of the other three, but Pat Nevin gets it by a blue knob end. As the French say " Quel un tosseur"
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Spot on Shotknees - you clarifies my thoughts like a brown trout sizzling in butter.
Sometimes you are like my twin brother from whom I was separated in the turnstiles of birth.
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 23:38 - Jan 24 with 1415 views
All the mildly knowing (and slightly condescending) posts showing off your knowledge of European football ruined in one thread.
All the posts analysing QPR with an arrogant tone offset against a reasonable perspective.
All of it lost.
Everyone who was willing to give you the benefit of doubt on most areas (accurate vs obnoxious / interesting vs obtuse / etc) has now been lost.
I don't know why, but I can only presume you went to school where you felt you were smarter than most, and a half decent uni, surrounded by people less sharp, where you left without a job. But instead of working your nuts off (or searching for a career) you've grown fond of your self perceived intelligence.
Am I right?
Tbh, I think you probably 'ignored me' a whole ago; I haven't had a response to my reasoned, eloquent diatribes on you for a while. Always easier to hide from a challenge than tackle it. ;-)
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 00:01 - Jan 25 with 1405 views
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 14:18 - Jan 24 by Northernr
And you are still, ten pages on, totally missing the point. Age of ball boy irrelevant, strength of kick irrelevant, ball boy wasting time irrelevant, whether he kicked the ball or not irrelevant, thickness of ballboy's coat irrelevant, ballboy feigning injury irrelevant, ballboy looking at referee and linesman irrelevant, Sky Sports only showing one angle of it irrelevant.
It was a moronic, stupid, idiotic thing to do. He shouldn't have been anywhere near him. Anything other than that is immaterial. He was sent off which was the correct decision. He should serve the ban and that should be the end of it.
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This (x10)
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Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 00:27 - Jan 25 with 1391 views
Jeeze 11 pages.All you had to do was watch Younass. It should never have been a red card because it happened off the pitch.It had nothing to do with what was happening on the pitch so it was no red card.
2.26 for Younass' veiews on the ballboy and the rules about red cards involving things off the pitch.
Hazard just kicked a Swansea ballboy on 00:37 - Jan 25 by Pommyhoop
Jeeze 11 pages.All you had to do was watch Younass. It should never have been a red card because it happened off the pitch.It had nothing to do with what was happening on the pitch so it was no red card.
2.26 for Younass' veiews on the ballboy and the rules about red cards involving things off the pitch.
That guy is my hero. Not often you find somebody that thick. I do like how he's started wearing a suit for his updates though.
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