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As hard as it is to believe, but there are worse owners out there than uncle Tone. Cardiff, Leeds, Blackpool, rah rah tigers and Newcastle just off the top of my head. A suitable buyer may not necessarily be an easy thing to find. I know that my love for this crackpot club knows no bounds but even if I was a multi-billionaire I wouldn't touch it with somebody else's barge pole! Which begs a question. How much do you think we're worth? What figure would the owners accept?
As hard as it is to believe, but there are worse owners out there than uncle Tone. Cardiff, Leeds, Blackpool, rah rah tigers and Newcastle just off the top of my head. A suitable buyer may not necessarily be an easy thing to find. I know that my love for this crackpot club knows no bounds but even if I was a multi-billionaire I wouldn't touch it with somebody else's barge pole! Which begs a question. How much do you think we're worth? What figure would the owners accept?
Possibly a Jeffrey Archer. In real terms how do you measure Uncle Tones calamity for several winters? Even a late bus in the grip of a grim London winter turns up. One day.
Tone's biggest problem is that he likes the spotlight. I'm not sure why he feels the need to make comments that can be construed as promises. The 'dream manager' comment is a perfect example: he was clearly referring to someone other than Ramsey whose appointment never came off. Now he's made a stick with which to beat himself and Ramsey.
In general terms, he's been a decent owner but, in his own words, he's had his pants pulled down too often and this makes him appear foolish. Hughes and Redknapp sold him several transfer window's worth of Emperor's New Clothes and this didn't help his public perception so he wades in on social media, makes big 'promises' again and the whole sordid story continues.
If he would just keep quiet from time to time it would be much would criticise him personally. Now, the debt levels etc? That's another issue.
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'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
Tony has been a rubbish owner. We are a poorly run club. The only reason the fanbase is so tolerant is that he is miles better than the previous owners. I would not be sorry to see him go if we had an owner like Parish at Palace come into the club.
Mid table championship football club for sale. Debts in excess of 200 million but with the best squad in the league. New manager so not on a high salary if you want to sack him. Sought after west London location. Any assets worth buying will be sold prior to sale or leave on a free at the end of the season.
A year into Captain Titanic's stewardship, it was apparent he was clueless.
His ego and naivety have been our undoing and as was evident with his time at Caterham, Tony seems to think he knows best. When he arrived, knowing nothing about football, he really should have got someone in to guide him or better still, run it.
The lack of institutional football knowledge at this club for the first three years was a joke. Added to this, he has learned nothing during his time here and the highpoint of this man's utter incompetence, of the many, was his appointing CR one day and then tweeting about a dream manager coming at the end of the season.
After a rather nondescript few months in charge, Tony's dream was to reappoint CR, and for three (3) years!! Although, to be fair, I think Rubin might have started making the calls at or around this time.
People forget that while he has saddled us with £200m plus worth of debt, he has also squandered four years of the highest income we've received into our coffers. I am sure more accountant savvy posters than I could confirm, but in view of gate receipts, TV money and sponsorship, we've probably spunked a good few hundred million as well.
Tony Fernandes inherited the incompetence that had started to germinate at QPR ever since Chris Wright, he's just been the manure to make it grow out of all proportion. The fact that we mention him in the same terms as Goldberg and Ridsdale says it all.
I do not subscribe to this 'he cares' nonsense merely because he says so on twitter and buys some beers for fans before games. He has been nothing short of a disaster for QPR and the sooner he is removed from having any sort of input into any decisions, the better. For clearly, he has got precious little right since he came here.
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Yes he has made mistakes, but he has paid for them and with his partners is prepared to cover the debt. It is a long learning curve and I believe he has started to learn that he needs advice from people who know football. I know it doesn't undo the big mistakes he has made, but his intentions were good and he still supports the club. If the fans turn on him he has the power and resources to ruin the club, so I encourage people not to do that.
Yes he has made mistakes, but he has paid for them and with his partners is prepared to cover the debt. It is a long learning curve and I believe he has started to learn that he needs advice from people who know football. I know it doesn't undo the big mistakes he has made, but his intentions were good and he still supports the club. If the fans turn on him he has the power and resources to ruin the club, so I encourage people not to do that.
Agree. All chairmen make mistakes at some point, otherwise all football managers would stay in their jobs more or less permanently. Sure, TF uses the club as a publicity vehicle - that's a trade off for the millions he has pumped in. Those millions just scraped survival under Mark Hughes and kept together a very costly squad that scraped promotion and a fantastic day at Wembley. It's all very well talking about alternatives, but who is going to come in and (a) clear the debts, (b) guarantee it is run better.
It's been massively frustrating at times under TF, but rarely boring!
Be careful what you wish for.
"Thank you for supporting Queens Park Rangers Steep Staircase"... and I thought I'd signed up for a rollercoaster.
Agree. All chairmen make mistakes at some point, otherwise all football managers would stay in their jobs more or less permanently. Sure, TF uses the club as a publicity vehicle - that's a trade off for the millions he has pumped in. Those millions just scraped survival under Mark Hughes and kept together a very costly squad that scraped promotion and a fantastic day at Wembley. It's all very well talking about alternatives, but who is going to come in and (a) clear the debts, (b) guarantee it is run better.
It's been massively frustrating at times under TF, but rarely boring!
Be careful what you wish for.
This is why we can't really do much more than hope he improves.
Agree. All chairmen make mistakes at some point, otherwise all football managers would stay in their jobs more or less permanently. Sure, TF uses the club as a publicity vehicle - that's a trade off for the millions he has pumped in. Those millions just scraped survival under Mark Hughes and kept together a very costly squad that scraped promotion and a fantastic day at Wembley. It's all very well talking about alternatives, but who is going to come in and (a) clear the debts, (b) guarantee it is run better.
It's been massively frustrating at times under TF, but rarely boring!
Be careful what you wish for.
On the "millions pumped in" line, what about the millions taken out? QPR have been in the Premier League for three of the last four seasons, receiving handsome television payments which could have secured the club's future for decades. We could have built a new training ground which we own quite comfortably with that money. We could have been entirely debt free with cash reserves in the bank for a rainy day. We could have been one of the few clubs with absolutely no financial worries whatsoever.
Instead Fernandes and co have thrown it all away on wnkr footballers to promote their airline.
On the "millions pumped in" line, what about the millions taken out? QPR have been in the Premier League for three of the last four seasons, receiving handsome television payments which could have secured the club's future for decades. We could have built a new training ground which we own quite comfortably with that money. We could have been entirely debt free with cash reserves in the bank for a rainy day. We could have been one of the few clubs with absolutely no financial worries whatsoever.
Instead Fernandes and co have thrown it all away on wnkr footballers to promote their airline.
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Pre Tony what were we like.... a complete shambles surviving on Fulhams rent at one stage... I like tony and think he is slowly learning and at present is the best option for us. Look at Portsmouth and Leeds for examples of what you could have had....
Pre Tony what were we like.... a complete shambles surviving on Fulhams rent at one stage... I like tony and think he is slowly learning and at present is the best option for us. Look at Portsmouth and Leeds for examples of what you could have had....
And now we're a complete shambles with £200m worth of debt, entirely dependent on a foreign airline owner - you're right, this is much better.
Spot on Clive. Quarter of a billion in debt and zero to show for it.
The pertinent question for me is why should any potential buyer have to stump up to repay the debt that this board has run up in flights of fancy and incompetence?
Some fans keep saying "Be careful what you wish for". Did any of this wish for this £250m millstone around our necks?
What does Paul warburton of Get West London think??, Does he smile enough and what about his decency factor??
furthermore Fernandes has done nothing on The QPR lgbt supporters group which we so desperately need.
I used to be like the zodiac killer with my letters to Richard Thompson, yet i feel he is twice the chairman the man child savant Fernandes is or ever can be.
"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
What does Paul warburton of Get West London think??, Does he smile enough and what about his decency factor??
furthermore Fernandes has done nothing on The QPR lgbt supporters group which we so desperately need.
I used to be like the zodiac killer with my letters to Richard Thompson, yet i feel he is twice the chairman the man child savant Fernandes is or ever can be.
Haha I'm guessing you enjoyed his top five reasons. I can't recall any that were related to management but it was a lovely tribute to a wonderful soul.
What does Paul warburton of Get West London think??, Does he smile enough and what about his decency factor??
furthermore Fernandes has done nothing on The QPR lgbt supporters group which we so desperately need.
I used to be like the zodiac killer with my letters to Richard Thompson, yet i feel he is twice the chairman the man child savant Fernandes is or ever can be.
Did you know it was Warburton who wrote the Baggio to QPR story back in the 90's? Always been one to never let facts get in the way of a good story
Spot on Clive. Quarter of a billion in debt and zero to show for it.
The pertinent question for me is why should any potential buyer have to stump up to repay the debt that this board has run up in flights of fancy and incompetence?
Some fans keep saying "Be careful what you wish for". Did any of this wish for this £250m millstone around our necks?
No buyer is likely to - TF and the Mittals etc would have to write it off, unless we establish ourselves back in the PL for a couple of seasons.
I'm not saying I like all the big spending - like Clive I find it all a bit crass and can understand how people feel disconnected with the game.
Clive made the point that we have spent 3 out of 4 seasons in the Premier Lge, but we were ill-equipped when we first came up and TF backed Hughes to keep us up (just). He also backed a costly squad that scraped promotion. The point is that he has made some massively costly mistakes but we probably would have spent only one season out of 4 in the PL without the investment.
This opens up an entirely new discussion about whether we want PL football or are happy treading water the Championship(!)
"Thank you for supporting Queens Park Rangers Steep Staircase"... and I thought I'd signed up for a rollercoaster.
Other than the players that have not tried for us and the Managers’ that have failed us, nobody else has done well out of the Tony Fernandes reign. Good intentions or not, the guy has been a failure.
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