| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread 14:40 - Jun 23 with 23603 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Iโm Balkan at the thought of this.
1-1 |  | | |  |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:11 - Jun 25 with 1948 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 09:01 - Jun 25 by TheChef |
1-1 again.
Only alleged change so far for tonight is Gallagher in for TAA  |
A concerning lack of respect from within for Southgate as every one of his team selections have been leaked days beforehand in this tournament.
If itโs true then itโs another poor team selection from him. Gallagher has come on and run around a lot but heโs surely behind Wharton and Mainoo for the defensive midfield role next to Rice.
And to persist with Foden on the left for the third game in a row when it clearly didnโt work in the other two shows stubbornness and inflexibility.
Would still expect a 2-0 win which will then give Southgate a reason to remain unchanged in the next round. |  | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:14 - Jun 25 with 1931 views | Hayesender |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 09:01 - Jun 25 by TheChef |
1-1 again.
Only alleged change so far for tonight is Gallagher in for TAA |
Good God!
I bet Southgate wears a condom when he //anks |  |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:16 - Jun 25 with 1930 views | daveB |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 09:42 - Jun 25 by DannyPaddox |
Yes England have officially qualified but whereas a win could see a knockout game against Georgia, Slovakia, or The Isle of Man etc, any dropped points could see a round of 16 clash with Germany. England have to go for it tonight. As do Slovenia. Alas an important point to remember is Southgate has no bottle. Initially I thought of this as a dead rubber but could be a very interesting night. |
What does having no bottle even mean?
At the moment we'll be playing one of Austria, France or Holland in the next round |  | | |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:11 - Jun 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
A concerning lack of respect from within for Southgate as every one of his team selections have been leaked days beforehand in this tournament.
If itโs true then itโs another poor team selection from him. Gallagher has come on and run around a lot but heโs surely behind Wharton and Mainoo for the defensive midfield role next to Rice.
And to persist with Foden on the left for the third game in a row when it clearly didnโt work in the other two shows stubbornness and inflexibility.
Would still expect a 2-0 win which will then give Southgate a reason to remain unchanged in the next round. |
You don't agree with the team selection but you still think we'll win.?
I'm gonna lay off Southgate. Yeh maybe his football style is suited more for the qualifiers rather than the business end of the tournament but I'm not digging the negative press atm. I'm not as invested as I used to be, so maybe I've chilled out more. |  |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:47 - Jun 25 with 1849 views | bosh67 |
We're through to the knock outs without kicking a ball. Watching Croatia throw away their chances in the last minute of their last two games and still have a vague chance of getting through on 2 points is amazing. At least, in theory, our lot can go out and play without too much pressure tonight because in reality it doesn't matter who we play in the last 16. Whoever it is, a better team or not, we have to actually turn up. |  |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:53 - Jun 25 with 1815 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:42 - Jun 25 by PunteR |
You don't agree with the team selection but you still think we'll win.?
I'm gonna lay off Southgate. Yeh maybe his football style is suited more for the qualifiers rather than the business end of the tournament but I'm not digging the negative press atm. I'm not as invested as I used to be, so maybe I've chilled out more. |
Yeah I think weโll win: weโve been very poor for both games so far against lower ranked opposition and still got results so no reason for that to change tonight:
Itโs the following matches where much more competitive challenges await and decent managers show what they are made of. | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 11:07 - Jun 25 with 1762 views | daveB |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:47 - Jun 25 by bosh67 |
We're through to the knock outs without kicking a ball. Watching Croatia throw away their chances in the last minute of their last two games and still have a vague chance of getting through on 2 points is amazing. At least, in theory, our lot can go out and play without too much pressure tonight because in reality it doesn't matter who we play in the last 16. Whoever it is, a better team or not, we have to actually turn up. |
I think they have to try and win the group and I think they will
As it stands Portugal, Germany, France and Spain are all in the other half of the draw although France should end up in our half if they win tonight. If we come 2nd we play Germany, 3rd and it's Portugal | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 11:23 - Jun 25 with 1734 views | DannyPaddox |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:16 - Jun 25 by daveB |
What does having no bottle even mean?
At the moment we'll be playing one of Austria, France or Holland in the next round |
In the off-chance this a genuine question Iโll give as straightforward of an answer as I can. Having no bottle means being without courage, not having the aptitude or inclination to take a risk to the point where it becomes counterproductive. If Southgate had any bottle (though this is now overlapping with tactical nous) England would have got to the World Cup Final in 2018 and won the Euros in 2020. He failed in both by playing it safe. He has no bottle. |  | | |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 11:23 - Jun 25 by DannyPaddox |
In the off-chance this a genuine question Iโll give as straightforward of an answer as I can. Having no bottle means being without courage, not having the aptitude or inclination to take a risk to the point where it becomes counterproductive. If Southgate had any bottle (though this is now overlapping with tactical nous) England would have got to the World Cup Final in 2018 and won the Euros in 2020. He failed in both by playing it safe. He has no bottle. |
What risk would you have taken in those 2 games to win them?
When you look at his bench for that Croatia game not sure who else he brings on or what else he can change, it wasn't a great squad.
I thought he was too slow to make changes against Italy and when he did they were the wrong one but in both games if we take our chances we win both of those games, Kane missed a sitter against Croatia.
I just think that criticism of him in a bit over the top and unfair and said as if the players on the pitch have no influence at all over the result, is just on the manager.
It always intrigues me that Southgate gets slated for these 2 games yet Euro 96 when we didn't make a single change in that semi final leaving goal scorers on the bench ahead of penalties that Venables was never really questioned | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:04 - Jun 25 with 1628 views | QPROslo |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 11:23 - Jun 25 by DannyPaddox |
In the off-chance this a genuine question Iโll give as straightforward of an answer as I can. Having no bottle means being without courage, not having the aptitude or inclination to take a risk to the point where it becomes counterproductive. If Southgate had any bottle (though this is now overlapping with tactical nous) England would have got to the World Cup Final in 2018 and won the Euros in 2020. He failed in both by playing it safe. He has no bottle. |
Because of our results in qualifying and in tournaments up to now I've largely had no major criticism of Southgate, but so far this tournament England have looked severely disjointed to me, worse than I remember. I can not believe we'll beat many sides left in the tournament unless he makes changes, like I suggested in a previous post or otherwise. As we are into the next round the best opportunity to try and practice the changes has got to be this evening. |  | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:12 - Jun 25 with 1596 views | DannyPaddox |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 11:51 - Jun 25 by daveB |
What risk would you have taken in those 2 games to win them?
When you look at his bench for that Croatia game not sure who else he brings on or what else he can change, it wasn't a great squad.
I thought he was too slow to make changes against Italy and when he did they were the wrong one but in both games if we take our chances we win both of those games, Kane missed a sitter against Croatia.
I just think that criticism of him in a bit over the top and unfair and said as if the players on the pitch have no influence at all over the result, is just on the manager.
It always intrigues me that Southgate gets slated for these 2 games yet Euro 96 when we didn't make a single change in that semi final leaving goal scorers on the bench ahead of penalties that Venables was never really questioned |
Croatia: Wouldnโt have started Kane. He looked unfit even during the anthems. Seriously. He was sweating like he just eaten a bad kebab. I thought I was maybe reading too much in to it but after 15/20 mins you could see he was way off his game. I think he was unwell. Should have either started with Vardy or brought him on a lot earlier than 100+ minutes. But the given back then was Vardy was past it and Kane was the nationโs hero. Would have taken bottle to make that decision (see Ramsey, Hurst & Greaves, 1966) Southgate doesnโt have that bottle. There was also something going on to the right of Englandโs defence. All the Croatia threat was down the left. Something tactically should have been done to stop this happening. In the midsts of time I canโt remember what the solution should have been - possibly double up on whoever was coming down the left for Croatia.
Italy: most rank average Italian side in decades. There for the taking. Shouldnโt have got as far as the lottery of penalties. Even then didnโt he do that classic error of bringing people off the bench in the last minute to take pens who then missed them.
Havenโt watched either game since but those are my recollections. | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:12 - Jun 25 with 1595 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I think we are letting the players off the hook too easily personally. | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:20 - Jun 25 with 1549 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:04 - Jun 25 by QPROslo |
Because of our results in qualifying and in tournaments up to now I've largely had no major criticism of Southgate, but so far this tournament England have looked severely disjointed to me, worse than I remember. I can not believe we'll beat many sides left in the tournament unless he makes changes, like I suggested in a previous post or otherwise. As we are into the next round the best opportunity to try and practice the changes has got to be this evening. |
Absolutely: we are already through so tonight should be about resting players so they are fresh for the knockout rounds (as Spain did) and trying an alternative on the left. Be brave with the team selection: he can always go back to his favourites if it doesnโt work.
To me it doesnโt matter who we play in the next round: if you are serious about winning the tournament and then youโll have to beat a number of the best teams at some stage. | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:23 - Jun 25 with 1533 views | lassel |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 10:16 - Jun 25 by daveB |
What does having no bottle even mean?
At the moment we'll be playing one of Austria, France or Holland in the next round |
Maybe Iโm reading it wrong - you need a Harvard doctorate it seems - but it looks more likely to be Slovakia in the next round if we win the group and Austria vs Spain? | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:24 - Jun 25 with 1525 views | kensalriser |
If England lose this one I'm voting Reform and everybody can f** off. |  |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:55 - Jun 25 with 1451 views | daveB |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:12 - Jun 25 by DannyPaddox |
Croatia: Wouldnโt have started Kane. He looked unfit even during the anthems. Seriously. He was sweating like he just eaten a bad kebab. I thought I was maybe reading too much in to it but after 15/20 mins you could see he was way off his game. I think he was unwell. Should have either started with Vardy or brought him on a lot earlier than 100+ minutes. But the given back then was Vardy was past it and Kane was the nationโs hero. Would have taken bottle to make that decision (see Ramsey, Hurst & Greaves, 1966) Southgate doesnโt have that bottle. There was also something going on to the right of Englandโs defence. All the Croatia threat was down the left. Something tactically should have been done to stop this happening. In the midsts of time I canโt remember what the solution should have been - possibly double up on whoever was coming down the left for Croatia.
Italy: most rank average Italian side in decades. There for the taking. Shouldnโt have got as far as the lottery of penalties. Even then didnโt he do that classic error of bringing people off the bench in the last minute to take pens who then missed them.
Havenโt watched either game since but those are my recollections. |
Italy were something like 39 games unbeaten, beat a good Belgium and Spanish teams to get to the final they were a good side in great form. Not much in the game in the night both teams had good spells a draw was about right and if we score our penalties we win as Pickford saved 2 of them
As for dropping Kane for the semi final that wouldn't have been brave would have been a mad call. Ramsey didn't drop Greaves in the 66 world cup he got injured, no way would he have dropped him if he was fit and had started all the games.
England just didn't have the team or the squad in 2018 to win that, even if we squeaked past Croatia we'd have got battered in the final | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:56 - Jun 25 with 1445 views | daveB |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:23 - Jun 25 by lassel |
Maybe Iโm reading it wrong - you need a Harvard doctorate it seems - but it looks more likely to be Slovakia in the next round if we win the group and Austria vs Spain? |
I think we get the group d 3rd place but isn't very clear
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cyddrvlg3j9o | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:56 - Jun 25 with 1443 views | TheChef |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:12 - Jun 25 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think we are letting the players off the hook too easily personally. |
On that subject...
Or is it just players walking on to a coach? |  |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 13:19 - Jun 25 with 1369 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:56 - Jun 25 by TheChef |
On that subject...
Or is it just players walking on to a coach? |
When you display any kid of character or emotion to the UK press as an England player you get hounded to death (Gazza).
Iโd come out in a burkha. | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 13:31 - Jun 25 with 1319 views | lassel |
Youโre spot on infact that right now it would be Austria
However if England were to put several past Slovenia tonight it would become Slovakia in the next round and if Czech Republic were to win we would play them.
So best bet is for Gareth to not try and sit back on a 1-0 tonight and hope the Czechs donโt beat Turkey. | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 13:51 - Jun 25 with 1235 views | kensalriser |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:56 - Jun 25 by TheChef |
On that subject...
Or is it just players walking on to a coach? |
Time for a Venn diagram: football fans and body language experts. | |
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 11:51 - Jun 25 by daveB |
What risk would you have taken in those 2 games to win them?
When you look at his bench for that Croatia game not sure who else he brings on or what else he can change, it wasn't a great squad.
I thought he was too slow to make changes against Italy and when he did they were the wrong one but in both games if we take our chances we win both of those games, Kane missed a sitter against Croatia.
I just think that criticism of him in a bit over the top and unfair and said as if the players on the pitch have no influence at all over the result, is just on the manager.
It always intrigues me that Southgate gets slated for these 2 games yet Euro 96 when we didn't make a single change in that semi final leaving goal scorers on the bench ahead of penalties that Venables was never really questioned |
While it looked like Kane missed a sitter v Croatia, it was actually a fantastic save by the keeper who got a touch on it. Kane actually did everything right. Fine margins. | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 14:44 - Jun 25 with 1063 views | hubble |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 12:55 - Jun 25 by daveB |
Italy were something like 39 games unbeaten, beat a good Belgium and Spanish teams to get to the final they were a good side in great form. Not much in the game in the night both teams had good spells a draw was about right and if we score our penalties we win as Pickford saved 2 of them
As for dropping Kane for the semi final that wouldn't have been brave would have been a mad call. Ramsey didn't drop Greaves in the 66 world cup he got injured, no way would he have dropped him if he was fit and had started all the games.
England just didn't have the team or the squad in 2018 to win that, even if we squeaked past Croatia we'd have got battered in the final |
Narr, I'm not having that Dave. I was at Wembley that night and Italy were there for the taking. Everyone man, woman, child and pigeon present could see that we needed to go for the throat and finish them off. So what does Safegate do? Nothing. He changes nothing at all, and exactly like the games we've had so far in this Euros, he tries to defend a 1-0 lead. Inevitably, Italy eventually score on 67', and only then does Safegate make his first subs. It was absolutely pathetic. [Post edited 25 Jun 14:44]
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| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 14:57 - Jun 25 with 997 views | daveB |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 14:44 - Jun 25 by hubble |
Narr, I'm not having that Dave. I was at Wembley that night and Italy were there for the taking. Everyone man, woman, child and pigeon present could see that we needed to go for the throat and finish them off. So what does Safegate do? Nothing. He changes nothing at all, and exactly like the games we've had so far in this Euros, he tries to defend a 1-0 lead. Inevitably, Italy eventually score on 67', and only then does Safegate make his first subs. It was absolutely pathetic. [Post edited 25 Jun 14:44]
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what changes should he have made then?
All very well saying go for the throat, we had chances to go 2-0 up
I thought he should have made a change earlier but not sure there was an obvious one,
I do think taking off Rice was a mistake but we had lost the midfield battle so could understand it | | | |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 15:01 - Jun 25 with 975 views | TheChef |
| England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ v Slovenia ๐ธ๐ฎ Match Thread on 14:57 - Jun 25 by daveB |
what changes should he have made then?
All very well saying go for the throat, we had chances to go 2-0 up
I thought he should have made a change earlier but not sure there was an obvious one,
I do think taking off Rice was a mistake but we had lost the midfield battle so could understand it |
What chances did we have to make it 2-0? I honestly can't remember. | |
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