| Caerphilly by-election 09:51 - Oct 13 with 14791 views | trampie |
Reform favourites, Plaid the only other party that could win it, seems like Labour, Tories, Lib-Dems etc are nowhere.
Talk is Plaid can win if its a low turnout as they tend to get their vote out, Reform will expect to win if its a reasonable turnout as the not particularly politically engaged voters/floating voters might well vote Reform. |  |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 18:41 - Oct 22 with 1659 views | Whiterockin |
| Caerphilly by-election on 17:40 - Oct 22 by johnlangy |
I don't think i'm more intelligent than others who i've never met simply because they have different ideas regarding who to vote for. |
There's a low bar.  |  | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 19:11 - Oct 22 with 1595 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Caerphilly by-election on 18:41 - Oct 22 by Whiterockin |
There's a low bar. |
I am smart and have qualifications with language skills. POTY the last time I stood. I am a Welsh patriot that wants Wales to continue as a semi Autonomous Nation with all the privileges that go with it that includes international sport art and culture . This in turn has profitable spin offs in tourism and general recognition. It does not help of course that and thicko Welsh fans sing salacious English taunts directed at them while overseas.
I would to even accept a right wing agenda and a manifesto of sensible policies .
I will not accept English people interference promoting the end of partial self governance. of Wales. I would encourage Welsh people to tell Rupert Lowe to mind his own business. He is from Southampton and would love to close Cardiff Wales Airport to help I his local one.
Caerfili with 2% migrant population are being gaslighted to think they are being overrun by agents promoting " regime change " in Wales. Zia Yusuf in caedlfilli lol AST week probably agrees with Whitrockin that he and his chums in London would do a better job with an nodding dog emissary in Cardiff |  |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 22:12 - Oct 22 with 1530 views | johnlangy |
| Caerphilly by-election on 18:41 - Oct 22 by Whiterockin |
There's a low bar. |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 09:48 - Oct 23 with 1430 views | raynor94 |
| Caerphilly by-election on 19:11 - Oct 22 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am smart and have qualifications with language skills. POTY the last time I stood. I am a Welsh patriot that wants Wales to continue as a semi Autonomous Nation with all the privileges that go with it that includes international sport art and culture . This in turn has profitable spin offs in tourism and general recognition. It does not help of course that and thicko Welsh fans sing salacious English taunts directed at them while overseas.
I would to even accept a right wing agenda and a manifesto of sensible policies .
I will not accept English people interference promoting the end of partial self governance. of Wales. I would encourage Welsh people to tell Rupert Lowe to mind his own business. He is from Southampton and would love to close Cardiff Wales Airport to help I his local one.
Caerfili with 2% migrant population are being gaslighted to think they are being overrun by agents promoting " regime change " in Wales. Zia Yusuf in caedlfilli lol AST week probably agrees with Whitrockin that he and his chums in London would do a better job with an nodding dog emissary in Cardiff |
Put your trumpet down |  |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 05:56 - Oct 24 with 1299 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Caerphilly by-election on 09:48 - Oct 23 by raynor94 |
Put your trumpet down |
Labour suffered a huge defeat just 11% of the vote. | |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 06:26 - Oct 24 with 1272 views | majorraglan |
| Caerphilly by-election on 05:56 - Oct 24 by felixstowe_jack |
Labour suffered a huge defeat just 11% of the vote. |
Labour have got what they deserve.
A quote from a BBC article - “Labour First Minister Eluned Morgan said the by-election had been conducted in the "toughest of circumstances and in the midst of difficult headwinds nationally", adding that the party heard people’s frustrations on the doorstep.”
Morgan needs to wake up, smell the coffee, saddle up and get the ….. out of Dodge.
I’ve no doubt that trying to run Wales which has more older people who cost more to care for, more social depravation etc against a background of a Conservative government in London reducing resources will be difficult, BUT her party is guilty of failing to read the room and making some pretty disastrous decisions in the form of the 20mph limit, the increase in politicians and the lack of a relief road around Newport for starters.
The Conservatives also had a disastrous night, their vote was down to 2%.
There’s a little no way to go before next May, but it’ll be interesting to see the reaction in London. I expect we’ll see a much bigger focus on immigration from Labour because that’s the main issue for lots of people. | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 07:18 - Oct 24 with 1227 views | SgorioFruit |
Da iawn bois bach |  |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 07:30 - Oct 24 with 1202 views | Whiterockin |
| Caerphilly by-election on 06:26 - Oct 24 by majorraglan |
Labour have got what they deserve.
A quote from a BBC article - “Labour First Minister Eluned Morgan said the by-election had been conducted in the "toughest of circumstances and in the midst of difficult headwinds nationally", adding that the party heard people’s frustrations on the doorstep.”
Morgan needs to wake up, smell the coffee, saddle up and get the ….. out of Dodge.
I’ve no doubt that trying to run Wales which has more older people who cost more to care for, more social depravation etc against a background of a Conservative government in London reducing resources will be difficult, BUT her party is guilty of failing to read the room and making some pretty disastrous decisions in the form of the 20mph limit, the increase in politicians and the lack of a relief road around Newport for starters.
The Conservatives also had a disastrous night, their vote was down to 2%.
There’s a little no way to go before next May, but it’ll be interesting to see the reaction in London. I expect we’ll see a much bigger focus on immigration from Labour because that’s the main issue for lots of people. |
I don't think immigration was the main issue in Caerphilly. With only 2% of the community not UK born the main issue was the failure of the Senedd government. With the increase in voting numbers it clearly shows people now believe a vote against Labour is not a wasted vote. Labour in Wales are finished as has been predicted and the main parties in Wales will be Plaid and Reform after the next years Senedd election. Who will win which seat will be determined by local as well as national issues, but one thing for sure is the tide has turned. The pin a red rosette on a sheep days are long gone. | | | |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 09:24 - Oct 24 with 1091 views | onehunglow |
Any mosques in Caerphilly? | |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 09:37 - Oct 24 with 1064 views | controversial_jack |
| Caerphilly by-election on 07:30 - Oct 24 by Whiterockin |
I don't think immigration was the main issue in Caerphilly. With only 2% of the community not UK born the main issue was the failure of the Senedd government. With the increase in voting numbers it clearly shows people now believe a vote against Labour is not a wasted vote. Labour in Wales are finished as has been predicted and the main parties in Wales will be Plaid and Reform after the next years Senedd election. Who will win which seat will be determined by local as well as national issues, but one thing for sure is the tide has turned. The pin a red rosette on a sheep days are long gone. |
When voters realise there's no magic wand in politics. And nothing will change under Plaid or reform, they will go back to their traditional roots.
After 13 years of Tory neglect and incompetence, they expected Labour to turn things around overnight, but it doesn't work like that. Still Plaid is better than the Reform nutters | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 09:49 - Oct 24 with 1043 views | johnlangy |
Brilliant result. Not even close in the end.
Well done Caerphilly. | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 09:52 - Oct 24 with 1043 views | Whiterockin |
| Caerphilly by-election on 09:37 - Oct 24 by controversial_jack |
When voters realise there's no magic wand in politics. And nothing will change under Plaid or reform, they will go back to their traditional roots.
After 13 years of Tory neglect and incompetence, they expected Labour to turn things around overnight, but it doesn't work like that. Still Plaid is better than the Reform nutters |
Without Reform kicking the backsides of British politics Labour would have retained Caerphilly. Whether you support Reform or not you have to accept that they have instigated change in British/Welsh politics and that can only be for the good.
There has been no Conservative rule in Wales only Labour and the Caerphilly by-election was for the Senedd. So your argument makes no sense on this thread Plaid won and deservedly so with a higher turnout. Welsh politics will not be going back to how it was. | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 10:22 - Oct 24 with 1007 views | Gwyn737 |
It's difficult to predict what this means going forward.
Yes, it's a huge slice of the vote going to Reform but there's an argument that the stars aligned for this to be one of the best chances they'll have to take a seat.
Labour seem to have pretty much bottomed out, there was no Tory vote, they spent quite heavily, Farage visited on numerous occasions and by the Senedd election, they will have been in power in the councils they have won and will have a track record to be examined.
Supporters won't be alble to say 'they must be better than the alternative' be cause we'll know what they offer, albeit on a small scale.
It maybe a bit of confirmation bias for me as I'm quite near the Reform controlled Kent border and it's fair to say that it's not going well there. | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 10:59 - Oct 24 with 969 views | Whiterockin |
| Caerphilly by-election on 10:22 - Oct 24 by Gwyn737 |
It's difficult to predict what this means going forward.
Yes, it's a huge slice of the vote going to Reform but there's an argument that the stars aligned for this to be one of the best chances they'll have to take a seat.
Labour seem to have pretty much bottomed out, there was no Tory vote, they spent quite heavily, Farage visited on numerous occasions and by the Senedd election, they will have been in power in the councils they have won and will have a track record to be examined.
Supporters won't be alble to say 'they must be better than the alternative' be cause we'll know what they offer, albeit on a small scale.
It maybe a bit of confirmation bias for me as I'm quite near the Reform controlled Kent border and it's fair to say that it's not going well there. |
Gwyn the Deputy First Minister believes that the politics in Wales differ from England and immigration is not such an issue.
"Labour's deputy first minister in the Senedd, Huw Irranca-Davies, said the prime minister must "get back to bread and butter things" such as the cost of living, instead of focussing on immigration.
"We've got to get better," he said.
"If it turns out as we think, as the polls have shown tonight, after a really good campaign with a really good Labour candidate in Richard, then we've got to talk about how do we get back to bread and butter things: cost of living, the state of the local community, the high street, the green spaces, the money in people's pockets."
The political concerns vary throughout Wales depending on the region, but I will say immigration is not high on the priority of Welsh voters when it comes to Senedd or local elections. This is why it is quite startling that Reform have the support they do in Wales. | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 11:17 - Oct 24 with 952 views | Gwyn737 |
| Caerphilly by-election on 10:59 - Oct 24 by Whiterockin |
Gwyn the Deputy First Minister believes that the politics in Wales differ from England and immigration is not such an issue.
"Labour's deputy first minister in the Senedd, Huw Irranca-Davies, said the prime minister must "get back to bread and butter things" such as the cost of living, instead of focussing on immigration.
"We've got to get better," he said.
"If it turns out as we think, as the polls have shown tonight, after a really good campaign with a really good Labour candidate in Richard, then we've got to talk about how do we get back to bread and butter things: cost of living, the state of the local community, the high street, the green spaces, the money in people's pockets."
The political concerns vary throughout Wales depending on the region, but I will say immigration is not high on the priority of Welsh voters when it comes to Senedd or local elections. This is why it is quite startling that Reform have the support they do in Wales. |
I hadn’t really taken immigration into account, WR.
I reckon the biggest vote decider in Caerphilly is whether they like Nigel Farage or not. If they did, its Reform and if they didn’t PC.
There was a relatively high turnout and when you look at the overall results its hard to see where Reform get the additional 4000 votes from:
Lindsay Whittle (PC) 15,961 (47.38%, +18.98%)
Llyr Powell (Reform) 12,113 (35.96%, +34.25%)
Richard Tunnicliffe (Lab) 3,713 (11.02%, -34.94%)
Gareth Potter (C) 690 (2.05%, -15.29%)
Gareth Hughes (Green) 516 (1.53%)
Steve Aicheler (LD) 497 (1.48%, -1.25%)
Anthony Cook (Gwlad) 117 (0.35%)
Roger Quilliam (UKIP) 79 (0.23%) | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 12:51 - Oct 24 with 890 views | onehunglow |
| Caerphilly by-election on 11:17 - Oct 24 by Gwyn737 |
I hadn’t really taken immigration into account, WR.
I reckon the biggest vote decider in Caerphilly is whether they like Nigel Farage or not. If they did, its Reform and if they didn’t PC.
There was a relatively high turnout and when you look at the overall results its hard to see where Reform get the additional 4000 votes from:
Lindsay Whittle (PC) 15,961 (47.38%, +18.98%)
Llyr Powell (Reform) 12,113 (35.96%, +34.25%)
Richard Tunnicliffe (Lab) 3,713 (11.02%, -34.94%)
Gareth Potter (C) 690 (2.05%, -15.29%)
Gareth Hughes (Green) 516 (1.53%)
Steve Aicheler (LD) 497 (1.48%, -1.25%)
Anthony Cook (Gwlad) 117 (0.35%)
Roger Quilliam (UKIP) 79 (0.23%) |
I’m assuming fewer want to take up residence on the south wales valleys when they can be near their own people and cultures and traditions
If Caerphilly had areas where 90% didn’t even class themselves as British or speak English then the result would have been different
Plaid is a simple protest vote and it ain’t surprising
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| Caerphilly by-election on 13:16 - Oct 24 with 844 views | AnotherJohn |
What depresses me is that if one takes a close look at Plaid's declared policies, such as net zero years earlier than the Labour plan, extra spending in multiple areas of welfare and the arts, unilateral nuclear disarmament, nation of sanctuary, gender self-identification etc they are even more PC and fiscally incontinent than Labour. There is no way a Plaid government with real power would do anything but make things worse. | | | |
| Caerphilly by-election on 13:41 - Oct 24 with 822 views | onehunglow |
| Caerphilly by-election on 13:16 - Oct 24 by AnotherJohn |
What depresses me is that if one takes a close look at Plaid's declared policies, such as net zero years earlier than the Labour plan, extra spending in multiple areas of welfare and the arts, unilateral nuclear disarmament, nation of sanctuary, gender self-identification etc they are even more PC and fiscally incontinent than Labour. There is no way a Plaid government with real power would do anything but make things worse. |
I can understand unilateral disarmament as just who would invade Wales and for what
Reality not
Plaid are absolutely in tune with English luvvies demoeing | |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 14:44 - Oct 24 with 784 views | union_jack |
| Caerphilly by-election on 13:41 - Oct 24 by onehunglow |
I can understand unilateral disarmament as just who would invade Wales and for what
Reality not
Plaid are absolutely in tune with English luvvies demoeing |
Si vis pacem, para bellum as the old cockney saying goes. |  |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 14:49 - Oct 24 with 780 views | Boundy |
| Caerphilly by-election on 19:11 - Oct 22 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am smart and have qualifications with language skills. POTY the last time I stood. I am a Welsh patriot that wants Wales to continue as a semi Autonomous Nation with all the privileges that go with it that includes international sport art and culture . This in turn has profitable spin offs in tourism and general recognition. It does not help of course that and thicko Welsh fans sing salacious English taunts directed at them while overseas.
I would to even accept a right wing agenda and a manifesto of sensible policies .
I will not accept English people interference promoting the end of partial self governance. of Wales. I would encourage Welsh people to tell Rupert Lowe to mind his own business. He is from Southampton and would love to close Cardiff Wales Airport to help I his local one.
Caerfili with 2% migrant population are being gaslighted to think they are being overrun by agents promoting " regime change " in Wales. Zia Yusuf in caedlfilli lol AST week probably agrees with Whitrockin that he and his chums in London would do a better job with an nodding dog emissary in Cardiff |
I bet you go through some batteries ? | |
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| Caerphilly by-election on 16:22 - Oct 24 with 750 views | builthjack |
Congratulations to Plaid.
All those tories who now support reform wont be happy though. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Caerphilly by-election on 16:30 - Oct 24 with 746 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Reform are not Welsh and did not convince the people of Caerfili they could be trusted.
Reform would have won if they had backed up he Welsh system of government. Namely the Senedd. The Senedd balances the books every year even with a Socialist leadership. Drakeford has been vilified but he is working now on the accounts. He will not spend what he does not have and is not able cannot borrow or increase taxes. This is how UK should work.
He rejected the £1.6bilion.M4 relief road after seeing the HS2 contractors take the taxpayer for a massive ride. This would gave bankrupted Wales probably. UK infrastructure project management needs a review. Posters call this wise call a failure.
Lovely posh Laura Jones ex Tory let the cat out of the bag and put the Senedd on notice. Poor discipline Llyr the candidate did not know the policy. Rupert Lowe who is no longer in Reform saw the split and put his Southampton harbour boot in. Abolishing the Senedd which is none of his business .Zia Yusuf added his views
ecto Senedd far from perfect but is ours. Whittle then caught the mood " we the people of Caerfili are fed up of outsiders telling us what to do". Good for him
Reform in Wales have to state the the status of the Senedd is in the works of Steve Cooper " Non Negotiable". It is a red line. No one will get anywhere on Wales promoting " Regime change".
We want peace and stability..We have had this for centuries.. We are however not English. [Post edited 24 Oct 16:40]
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| Caerphilly by-election on 16:54 - Oct 24 with 728 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Caerphilly by-election on 14:41 - Oct 22 by Boundy |
You could be right ,Wales is overpopulated with sheep , it seems that some are more than happy to have the same shite thrown at them as they've had previously. |
If Reform has won I would not have insulted the voters. I see no reason why it Unionist flag wavers cannot love Wales and the Senedd. From what I can see the flag wavers and the poppy and military careers are symbolic of anti Senedd opinions.
This is sad. I support Welsh self determination and understanding union flag wavers and poppy wearers do not. [Post edited 24 Oct 17:02]
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| Caerphilly by-election on 17:18 - Oct 24 with 693 views | Gwyn737 |
| Caerphilly by-election on 06:46 - Oct 19 by AguycalledJack |
So a low turn out = plaid success. Says it all really. |
Looks like the reverse happened. | | | |
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