| Who is for the boot this summer ? 20:59 - Apr 29 with 2071 views | ModeratorC |
Who do you want to retain or leave ? |  | | |  |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:06 - Apr 29 with 2043 views | Fireboy2 |
Get Rid - Fulton, Naughton, Kuk, Yates Pedersen and Christie.
Keep - Bianchini as he has potential along with Vip, Allen because imo he has another season in him and his experience is invaluable. |  | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:20 - Apr 29 with 2017 views | max936 |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:06 - Apr 29 by Fireboy2 |
Get Rid - Fulton, Naughton, Kuk, Yates Pedersen and Christie.
Keep - Bianchini as he has potential along with Vip, Allen because imo he has another season in him and his experience is invaluable. |
Vip can go for me |  |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:38 - Apr 29 with 1968 views | KeithHaynes |
I would add Taj-Hon and McGloughlin. |  |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:43 - Apr 29 with 1960 views | Dr_Winston |
Cooper, Pederson, Christie, Fisher, Mclaughlin, Yates (just because he should raise a reasonable fee), Kukhareyvich, Tjoe-A-On, maybe Cullen depending on available replacements. I'd think long and hard about offering Joe a new deal. Definitely offer Naughton one.
Fulton has played nearly 300 games for the club and Sheehan rightly seems to have a lot of time for him so I'd expect him to stick around whether people want him to or not. |  |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:48 - Apr 29 with 1952 views | KeithHaynes |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:43 - Apr 29 by Dr_Winston |
Cooper, Pederson, Christie, Fisher, Mclaughlin, Yates (just because he should raise a reasonable fee), Kukhareyvich, Tjoe-A-On, maybe Cullen depending on available replacements. I'd think long and hard about offering Joe a new deal. Definitely offer Naughton one.
Fulton has played nearly 300 games for the club and Sheehan rightly seems to have a lot of time for him so I'd expect him to stick around whether people want him to or not. |
Problem with Fulton is what he’s on now until the end of his contract next June no club would ever pay. The estimate is around 14/15k a week. I’ve no way of finding that out or asked the question even. But I would doubt he would get anything even close to 5k elsewhere. And then there’s a transfer fee.
As an example both Allen and Naughton are on no more than 5k a week now.
Next season we have been told would be even less. Pin money for both of them. | |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:55 - Apr 29 with 1938 views | Dr_Winston |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:48 - Apr 29 by KeithHaynes |
Problem with Fulton is what he’s on now until the end of his contract next June no club would ever pay. The estimate is around 14/15k a week. I’ve no way of finding that out or asked the question even. But I would doubt he would get anything even close to 5k elsewhere. And then there’s a transfer fee.
As an example both Allen and Naughton are on no more than 5k a week now.
Next season we have been told would be even less. Pin money for both of them. |
The wages Naughton is on are precisely why I don't understand why people seem so keen to be rid of him. He's a superbly fit, capable player who can cover at least two, at a push three positions and at this point in his career won't mind not being a first team regular.
For a player with as many appearances as he has made at both Premier League and Championship level and still only 31 to be treated with as much disdain as Fulton often I just don't get. He's been a go to guy frequently for the same manager people were demanding got the job on a permanent basis. I don't think he'd be short of decent offers if he was available. | |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 00:09 - Apr 30 with 1814 views | builthjack |
Naughton will be 37 this year. |  |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 01:10 - Apr 30 with 1765 views | KeithHaynes |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 00:09 - Apr 30 by builthjack |
Naughton will be 37 this year. |
Wish I was 😂 | |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 05:32 - Apr 30 with 1680 views | Dr_Winston |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 00:09 - Apr 30 by builthjack |
Naughton will be 37 this year. |
So?
Modric will be 40. | |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 08:10 - Apr 30 with 1532 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 05:32 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
So?
Modric will be 40. |
You cannot seriously be comparing Naughton to Modric? One is a world class player still churning out very high level performances and the other is nowhere near that and even at his peak was never world class.
I'm not knocking the bloke, he's been very good for us but Lika Modric...really?
I'd try to shift Pederson, Naughton, Tjoe-A on, Cullen, Kuk, McLoughlin, Christie, Bianchini and Fisher. Allen, if he signs on a pay per play or does his coaching badges and retains his player registration then ok otherwise it's a big ask for him to play enough games/match time to be viable.
Fulton looks much better under Sheehan and besides, as Keith says, nobody will buy him on those wages.
That'd be 9 maybe 10 players out and we'd need at least 6 decent players back in but probably more. We need a decent striker for sure and getting O'Brien back would be immense but probably beyond us financially. | | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 08:20 - Apr 30 with 1489 views | Dr_Winston |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 08:10 - Apr 30 by SullutaCreturned |
You cannot seriously be comparing Naughton to Modric? One is a world class player still churning out very high level performances and the other is nowhere near that and even at his peak was never world class.
I'm not knocking the bloke, he's been very good for us but Lika Modric...really?
I'd try to shift Pederson, Naughton, Tjoe-A on, Cullen, Kuk, McLoughlin, Christie, Bianchini and Fisher. Allen, if he signs on a pay per play or does his coaching badges and retains his player registration then ok otherwise it's a big ask for him to play enough games/match time to be viable.
Fulton looks much better under Sheehan and besides, as Keith says, nobody will buy him on those wages.
That'd be 9 maybe 10 players out and we'd need at least 6 decent players back in but probably more. We need a decent striker for sure and getting O'Brien back would be immense but probably beyond us financially. |
Yeah, but he's not playing in La Liga either is he?
This isn't a question about which is the better player. It's a question about whether being nearly 37 makes him unsuitable to keep around. The insinuation was that being that age alone is enough to get rid, which is nonsense. For us, at our level, are we going to find a better option to sit on the bench and fill the occasional gap for what Naughton is going to cost? | |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 09:11 - Apr 30 with 1430 views | RichardO |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 08:20 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
Yeah, but he's not playing in La Liga either is he?
This isn't a question about which is the better player. It's a question about whether being nearly 37 makes him unsuitable to keep around. The insinuation was that being that age alone is enough to get rid, which is nonsense. For us, at our level, are we going to find a better option to sit on the bench and fill the occasional gap for what Naughton is going to cost? |
Trouble for me is that Allen, Fulton and Naughton have been the go to players, when fit to stem the slide down the table and yes they have done but can they keep doing it for much longer? Fulton should be able to if we are playing Saturday games only and similarly Allen and Naughton should be able to last a little longer but surely all our players should be able to last the full ninety minutes .
I know the game has changed given the number of subs allowed and it has always been a good idea or practice to swap out wingers as they become less effective usually done on the 60 minute mark, having those extra subs means we can keep the older players within the squad longer but we do need better legs and quality to replace them do we now need to give our youngsters more time on the bench and ultimately on the pitch accepting they may struggle in some way but offer more in others?
I was surprised how little we used Sam Parker but so close to the bottom I suppose the experienced players were the safer option.
Cotterill and Congreve have gained valuable playing time do they get integrated into and used in the match day squad.
Tom Woodward and Morgan Bates both seem to be getting onto the scoresheet at u21 level consistently from their respective positions do we get them into the team and will it be easier for the younger players to integrate into the team under Sheehan coaching and the structure to the team that was so sadly lacking at times under Martun, Duff and Williams? | | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 10:14 - Apr 30 with 1354 views | jack247 |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 09:11 - Apr 30 by RichardO |
Trouble for me is that Allen, Fulton and Naughton have been the go to players, when fit to stem the slide down the table and yes they have done but can they keep doing it for much longer? Fulton should be able to if we are playing Saturday games only and similarly Allen and Naughton should be able to last a little longer but surely all our players should be able to last the full ninety minutes .
I know the game has changed given the number of subs allowed and it has always been a good idea or practice to swap out wingers as they become less effective usually done on the 60 minute mark, having those extra subs means we can keep the older players within the squad longer but we do need better legs and quality to replace them do we now need to give our youngsters more time on the bench and ultimately on the pitch accepting they may struggle in some way but offer more in others?
I was surprised how little we used Sam Parker but so close to the bottom I suppose the experienced players were the safer option.
Cotterill and Congreve have gained valuable playing time do they get integrated into and used in the match day squad.
Tom Woodward and Morgan Bates both seem to be getting onto the scoresheet at u21 level consistently from their respective positions do we get them into the team and will it be easier for the younger players to integrate into the team under Sheehan coaching and the structure to the team that was so sadly lacking at times under Martun, Duff and Williams? |
The difference between Championship and U21 is startling. Kyrell Wilson is testament to that.
Until we go back to category 1 or start signing these boys on long deals and giving them more time on loan, I can’t see that changing. | | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 10:26 - Apr 30 with 1328 views | union_jack |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 21:06 - Apr 29 by Fireboy2 |
Get Rid - Fulton, Naughton, Kuk, Yates Pedersen and Christie.
Keep - Bianchini as he has potential along with Vip, Allen because imo he has another season in him and his experience is invaluable. |
Problem is, you can’t have a first team squad full of first team starters. Not at our level so you need those experienced ‘seen it, done it’ players who will fit in and provide experience at crucial times. Yes they’ll make mistakes but their experience outweighs the risk imo. For that reason I’d keep both Fulton and Naughton. Allen also because managed properly I totally agree he has another year in him.
I’m also of the opinion Bianchini will come good especially if the training team get him involved. There’s definitely a player there. VIP? I really don’t know. We can’t go into next season with him and Cullen as first picks as the chances are we are going to go nowhere. Cullen has reached his peak I believe but VIP may click. We need another no.9 or 10 to get the goals. Go and get Salech!!😁 |  |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 10:26 - Apr 30 with 1328 views | heatwave |
This won't be popular.
Ginnelly a handful of games in 2 seasons.
When others are mentioned as a waste of a wage.
What's he cost us? Will he ever be fit? |  | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 10:38 - Apr 30 with 1303 views | union_jack |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 10:26 - Apr 30 by heatwave |
This won't be popular.
Ginnelly a handful of games in 2 seasons.
When others are mentioned as a waste of a wage.
What's he cost us? Will he ever be fit? |
I’d totally forgotten about him😳 | |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 11:05 - Apr 30 with 1259 views | RichardO |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 10:26 - Apr 30 by heatwave |
This won't be popular.
Ginnelly a handful of games in 2 seasons.
When others are mentioned as a waste of a wage.
What's he cost us? Will he ever be fit? |
Do worry about our ability get players off the sick list and to keep them off it. Do appreciate that footballers are hit by serious injuries are differcult to reintegrate especially if we are struggling to perform as a team and the expecting required of players.
Ginnelly has had run out with both the first team and the u21s, will he need 6mths out on loan to get up to Championship speed. | | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 11:28 - Apr 30 with 1221 views | Whiterockin |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 11:05 - Apr 30 by RichardO |
Do worry about our ability get players off the sick list and to keep them off it. Do appreciate that footballers are hit by serious injuries are differcult to reintegrate especially if we are struggling to perform as a team and the expecting required of players.
Ginnelly has had run out with both the first team and the u21s, will he need 6mths out on loan to get up to Championship speed. |
Ginnelly has 12 months left on his contract, if he went out on loan where do we go from there. Possibly free transfer with a sell on would be my option, even if we need to make up a percentage of his wages as a settlement. |  | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 11:30 - Apr 30 with 1219 views | hectorshouse |
Personally i would definitely move on the following:
Perderson
Christie
Kuk
Tjoe-A-On
Possibly move on
Yates (Let Sheehan look at him as there could be a player there as hopefully we will not be so religious about playing only 1 way so might have a role to play)
Ginnelly (purely down to fitness)
Either Fisher/McLoughlin (Happy to get rid of both if youngsters are ready to step up but would not want to spend any of our transfer budget on a back up keeper)
O'Brien will also leave, do not see any way we can (or should) pay him what he'll want. Delcroix will also leave at the end of his loan.
That would mean at least 7 and possibly 10 players leaving which is a lot for any squad. I would keep Allen & Naughton as their experience (and low cost) will be invaluable if we are going to try to integrate youngsters as and when we can into the matchday squads.
Whatever I think, Fulton will remain here purely down to no one else picking up his contract.
If we can keep Darling then I would, but I wouldn't break our wage structure to get him.
I'm hoping Widdel will be a direct replacement for O'Brien which then means we need as a minimum
Centre Forward
Attacking Midfielder
Winger
Centre Back
Full back | | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 11:53 - Apr 30 with 1165 views | KeithHaynes |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 11:30 - Apr 30 by hectorshouse |
Personally i would definitely move on the following:
Perderson
Christie
Kuk
Tjoe-A-On
Possibly move on
Yates (Let Sheehan look at him as there could be a player there as hopefully we will not be so religious about playing only 1 way so might have a role to play)
Ginnelly (purely down to fitness)
Either Fisher/McLoughlin (Happy to get rid of both if youngsters are ready to step up but would not want to spend any of our transfer budget on a back up keeper)
O'Brien will also leave, do not see any way we can (or should) pay him what he'll want. Delcroix will also leave at the end of his loan.
That would mean at least 7 and possibly 10 players leaving which is a lot for any squad. I would keep Allen & Naughton as their experience (and low cost) will be invaluable if we are going to try to integrate youngsters as and when we can into the matchday squads.
Whatever I think, Fulton will remain here purely down to no one else picking up his contract.
If we can keep Darling then I would, but I wouldn't break our wage structure to get him.
I'm hoping Widdel will be a direct replacement for O'Brien which then means we need as a minimum
Centre Forward
Attacking Midfielder
Winger
Centre Back
Full back |
An excellent post. Realistic and very welcome. | |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 13:29 - Apr 30 with 1020 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 08:20 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
Yeah, but he's not playing in La Liga either is he?
This isn't a question about which is the better player. It's a question about whether being nearly 37 makes him unsuitable to keep around. The insinuation was that being that age alone is enough to get rid, which is nonsense. For us, at our level, are we going to find a better option to sit on the bench and fill the occasional gap for what Naughton is going to cost? |
Eh? He's played 30 times this season and he's still captain of Real and Croatia. Naughton has made 22 appearances.
The insinuation is that we need somebody with better energy and stamina, somebody who, if needed can play back to back 90 minutes with no worries. We aren't going to have a massive squad and assuming we keep Joe Allen, how many definite "bit part" players can we afford? | | | |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 13:54 - Apr 30 with 985 views | Dr_Winston |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 13:29 - Apr 30 by SullutaCreturned |
Eh? He's played 30 times this season and he's still captain of Real and Croatia. Naughton has made 22 appearances.
The insinuation is that we need somebody with better energy and stamina, somebody who, if needed can play back to back 90 minutes with no worries. We aren't going to have a massive squad and assuming we keep Joe Allen, how many definite "bit part" players can we afford? |
I used Modric as a well known example of why players should not be discarded just because they're in their late 30's as was the suggestion.
I had no idea it would cause such confusion. I should probably have used Darren Pratley instead.
I don't worry about Naughton playing 90 minutes back to back. If I did I wouldn't suggest keeping him around. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 17:37 - Apr 30 with 780 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Who is for the boot this summer ? on 13:54 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
I used Modric as a well known example of why players should not be discarded just because they're in their late 30's as was the suggestion.
I had no idea it would cause such confusion. I should probably have used Darren Pratley instead.
I don't worry about Naughton playing 90 minutes back to back. If I did I wouldn't suggest keeping him around. |
I don't think you can compare Modric and Pratley.
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