| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:51 - May 10 with 2637 views | jack247 |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 11:13 - May 10 by sons_of_omri |
He’s good and he fits well in the side but to say he’s the be and end all is a bit silly. I agree with the train of thought of get another one in and see if that changes/makes up his mind. |
In theory, I agree with you.
Problem is, whether he signs or not affects our recruitment plans, so presumably bringing someone in on a big wage may mean we then can’t honour the offer he’s currently got.
We need another centre back anyway. No issue bringing in a backup, but I don’t think we can sign a Darling replacement (unless much cheaper) then re-sign Darling. |  | |  |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 13:46 - May 10 with 2545 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Darling will resign for Swansea unless someone X comes on and offers him more. Perhaps a team has offered him a little more
but not enough.
He will play for Swansea again on the basis of. " It have to as nobody will pay me significantly more".
He will then say he never really wanted to leave like Grimes did
Swansea got £4m for Grimes so the club was wise to give him a new deal... |  |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 13:54 - May 10 with 2544 views | Fireboy2 |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:31 - May 10 by Dr_Winston |
Absolutely. We'll have a budget for him and shouldn't exceed it.
We're almost certainly going to need another CB in any case unless Lissah is ready to step up so there's nothing stopping us entering into negotiations for one or two. |
I'd say that if darling signs or not we will get one centre half in on loan. |  | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 14:21 - May 10 with 2503 views | KeithHaynes |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:51 - May 10 by jack247 |
In theory, I agree with you.
Problem is, whether he signs or not affects our recruitment plans, so presumably bringing someone in on a big wage may mean we then can’t honour the offer he’s currently got.
We need another centre back anyway. No issue bringing in a backup, but I don’t think we can sign a Darling replacement (unless much cheaper) then re-sign Darling. |
Darling has been offered a huge contract (bonus related) we could sign three players for that. |  |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 16:18 - May 10 with 2340 views | jack247 |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 14:21 - May 10 by KeithHaynes |
Darling has been offered a huge contract (bonus related) we could sign three players for that. |
So would that offer become unviable if we signed a ready made replacement on less than that, but still decent money? Joe Low as an example
Another point, would someone like Low want to sign knowing we are still waiting on Darling and would signing someone like that put Darling off? Either one of them or our captain would be on the bench every week. | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 19:10 - May 10 with 2176 views | vetchonian |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 03:20 - May 10 by ncswan |
No, now's not the time to play hard ball. Since we've told him that our latest offer is the best we can do (this summer), leave it at that. Also remind him that as he saw at the tail end of the season that Swans are building up to a fabulous 2025-2026 season, and emphasize that it's highly likely that we'll be challenging for a play-off spot, with or without him. However, we'll be in a better position to challenge for a top two automatic spot if he's with us. Tell him if that happens, then we can discuss/review his part in the upcoming season, and re-negotiate his contract on a warranted basis. It may come down to how well the Swans management project optimism for the upcoming season. If he buys in to the optimism, their outlook, their story, then it's very likely he'll sign on. |
I would have thought Sheehan and Montague wpuld have said all of that when putting this latest "big" offer on the table. Apparently it will make him the highest paid player at the club...if he hasnt commited within the deadline then he can go.
Yes he will be a loss and we will have to bed in another player but it seems Darling isnt in love with us as he obvioulsy believes he will get more elswhere.
Risky for him with his injury.
Maybe he feels unloved as we didnt meet his cknttact demands earlier but we seem to have bent over backwards now...if he wanted to stay surely he have signed | |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 09:08 - May 11 with 1879 views | sons_of_omri |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 19:10 - May 10 by vetchonian |
I would have thought Sheehan and Montague wpuld have said all of that when putting this latest "big" offer on the table. Apparently it will make him the highest paid player at the club...if he hasnt commited within the deadline then he can go.
Yes he will be a loss and we will have to bed in another player but it seems Darling isnt in love with us as he obvioulsy believes he will get more elswhere.
Risky for him with his injury.
Maybe he feels unloved as we didnt meet his cknttact demands earlier but we seem to have bent over backwards now...if he wanted to stay surely he have signed |
I wonder if he really wanted the captaincy and feels snubbed over that? Ben is doing a great job but I think Darling would have been an excellent leader too. | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 09:15 - May 11 with 1843 views | raynor94 |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 10:07 - May 11 with 1732 views | swan65split |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 09:15 - May 11 by raynor94 |
FLW(I know) are reporting Wrexham are interested in signing Harry |
That seals it then Hollywood beckons. |  | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:08 - May 11 with 1605 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 03:20 - May 10 by ncswan |
No, now's not the time to play hard ball. Since we've told him that our latest offer is the best we can do (this summer), leave it at that. Also remind him that as he saw at the tail end of the season that Swans are building up to a fabulous 2025-2026 season, and emphasize that it's highly likely that we'll be challenging for a play-off spot, with or without him. However, we'll be in a better position to challenge for a top two automatic spot if he's with us. Tell him if that happens, then we can discuss/review his part in the upcoming season, and re-negotiate his contract on a warranted basis. It may come down to how well the Swans management project optimism for the upcoming season. If he buys in to the optimism, their outlook, their story, then it's very likely he'll sign on. |
I think now is exactly the time to play hardball. It sends the message to everyone, players, agents, other clubs, that we won't be a pushover so don't waste our time.
We've been easy marks before, now is the time to say no more. | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:28 - May 11 with 1568 views | GVJack |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:08 - May 11 by SullutaCreturned |
I think now is exactly the time to play hardball. It sends the message to everyone, players, agents, other clubs, that we won't be a pushover so don't waste our time.
We've been easy marks before, now is the time to say no more. |
I agree, but it's not about hardball for me, he's been given our best offer, we've told him there's no more wiggle room and I'm sure he's been set a deadline. He hasn't, and we need to get active in the market so we can look to possibly pick up alternatives at the end of their contracts (Low as an example) so that we don't lose out.
I agree with a previous poster he would also have been a good leader and would have been my preference over BC had he re-signed the same time but in the circumstances BC was the natural choice.
If the offer is absolute and final then Darling is clearly still exploring his options, it would take a 30 seconds conversation to go over the basics of what's on offer (salary, length, bonuses) so if he can't give a verbal agreement that that's met his demands then he's clearly looking for more/better elsewhere.
I still hope he signs but think that's looking highly unlikely (which I did say back before Christmas). Short career and he will look after his and his family's best interests). | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:36 - May 11 with 1546 views | heatwave |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:28 - May 11 by GVJack |
I agree, but it's not about hardball for me, he's been given our best offer, we've told him there's no more wiggle room and I'm sure he's been set a deadline. He hasn't, and we need to get active in the market so we can look to possibly pick up alternatives at the end of their contracts (Low as an example) so that we don't lose out.
I agree with a previous poster he would also have been a good leader and would have been my preference over BC had he re-signed the same time but in the circumstances BC was the natural choice.
If the offer is absolute and final then Darling is clearly still exploring his options, it would take a 30 seconds conversation to go over the basics of what's on offer (salary, length, bonuses) so if he can't give a verbal agreement that that's met his demands then he's clearly looking for more/better elsewhere.
I still hope he signs but think that's looking highly unlikely (which I did say back before Christmas). Short career and he will look after his and his family's best interests). |
I also believe/hope he's been given a deadline.
Someone mentioned he is away on holiday at the moment. So if that's correct the likely scenario would be on his return we need his answer. |  | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 19:52 - May 11 with 1324 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 12:28 - May 11 by GVJack |
I agree, but it's not about hardball for me, he's been given our best offer, we've told him there's no more wiggle room and I'm sure he's been set a deadline. He hasn't, and we need to get active in the market so we can look to possibly pick up alternatives at the end of their contracts (Low as an example) so that we don't lose out.
I agree with a previous poster he would also have been a good leader and would have been my preference over BC had he re-signed the same time but in the circumstances BC was the natural choice.
If the offer is absolute and final then Darling is clearly still exploring his options, it would take a 30 seconds conversation to go over the basics of what's on offer (salary, length, bonuses) so if he can't give a verbal agreement that that's met his demands then he's clearly looking for more/better elsewhere.
I still hope he signs but think that's looking highly unlikely (which I did say back before Christmas). Short career and he will look after his and his family's best interests). |
I always remember Nigel Mansell playing the "family best interests" card.
Of course in formula one the families best interests hare having an lot of money and being retired forever fully intact with all limbs working.
Having retired in the "family best interests" he returned to formula one when Ferrari or whoever made a good offer. Journo's were too polite to ask about the family.
When discussing £1m a year or £1.5 m a year I suggest it is not really a family matter exactly.
Some players have this debate hanging around them like Darling while others like Manning did not. He perhaps made it clear he was here only for his contract. [Post edited 11 May 19:55]
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:29 - May 11 with 1275 views | GVJack |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 19:52 - May 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I always remember Nigel Mansell playing the "family best interests" card.
Of course in formula one the families best interests hare having an lot of money and being retired forever fully intact with all limbs working.
Having retired in the "family best interests" he returned to formula one when Ferrari or whoever made a good offer. Journo's were too polite to ask about the family.
When discussing £1m a year or £1.5 m a year I suggest it is not really a family matter exactly.
Some players have this debate hanging around them like Darling while others like Manning did not. He perhaps made it clear he was here only for his contract. [Post edited 11 May 19:55]
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I disagree with your comment around:-
"When discussing £1m a year or £1.5 m a year I suggest it is not really a family matter exactly."
If you're saying if you're earning a million a year then an extra 500k is irrelevant for the family, I have to disagree. He has an opportunity to give his children, grandchildren and excellent life where they will never need to worry about eating or heating or having that card declined at the petrol station, not to mention putting them through some of the best private education systems if that's what he chooses, or paying for his elderly parents care in years to come. He probably has 7 years left to really maximise his earnings, so will do what best for him and his family now (with them being settled in Swansea and apparently loving life) but also for the next 50+ years of his life whilst leaving a legacy for the rest of his family.
We've given him our best offer, time will tell if that's good enough for him (it's sounding like it's not with this evenings news) but we as a club only have ourselves to blame to allow him to run his contract down and now (probably) see him leave without recouping a fee. | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:29 - May 11 with 1275 views | Boundy |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 14:21 - May 10 by KeithHaynes |
Darling has been offered a huge contract (bonus related) we could sign three players for that. |
If that's the case I'd rather we sign the 3 players than to be kept hanging in the wind as the Club is ATM. | |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:43 - May 11 with 1257 views | Dr_Winston |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:29 - May 11 by GVJack |
I disagree with your comment around:-
"When discussing £1m a year or £1.5 m a year I suggest it is not really a family matter exactly."
If you're saying if you're earning a million a year then an extra 500k is irrelevant for the family, I have to disagree. He has an opportunity to give his children, grandchildren and excellent life where they will never need to worry about eating or heating or having that card declined at the petrol station, not to mention putting them through some of the best private education systems if that's what he chooses, or paying for his elderly parents care in years to come. He probably has 7 years left to really maximise his earnings, so will do what best for him and his family now (with them being settled in Swansea and apparently loving life) but also for the next 50+ years of his life whilst leaving a legacy for the rest of his family.
We've given him our best offer, time will tell if that's good enough for him (it's sounding like it's not with this evenings news) but we as a club only have ourselves to blame to allow him to run his contract down and now (probably) see him leave without recouping a fee. |
At £1m a year someone would take home roughly £541k. At £1.5m that increases to £806k. Nothing to be sniffed at.
As an aside, it's pretty mental that someone earning £1m a year is expected to give half of that back in tax. No wonder high earners disappear abroad if possible. |  |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:48 - May 11 with 1242 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:29 - May 11 by GVJack |
I disagree with your comment around:-
"When discussing £1m a year or £1.5 m a year I suggest it is not really a family matter exactly."
If you're saying if you're earning a million a year then an extra 500k is irrelevant for the family, I have to disagree. He has an opportunity to give his children, grandchildren and excellent life where they will never need to worry about eating or heating or having that card declined at the petrol station, not to mention putting them through some of the best private education systems if that's what he chooses, or paying for his elderly parents care in years to come. He probably has 7 years left to really maximise his earnings, so will do what best for him and his family now (with them being settled in Swansea and apparently loving life) but also for the next 50+ years of his life whilst leaving a legacy for the rest of his family.
We've given him our best offer, time will tell if that's good enough for him (it's sounding like it's not with this evenings news) but we as a club only have ourselves to blame to allow him to run his contract down and now (probably) see him leave without recouping a fee. |
I know what you mean and I am not exactly certain of what I posted. I just find it an uncomfortable easy to say comment. Money is not everything to everyone and projecting that to future grand children is questionable.
Personally i would prefer children to be raised in Swansea rather than say Birmingham. This is not a factor in Darlings brain t the moment I suspect.
I gave the Nigel Mansell example. If retiring was 'for the best interests family" then returning was not in the best interests of the family. | |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:53 - May 11 with 1215 views | jack247 |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:29 - May 11 by Boundy |
If that's the case I'd rather we sign the 3 players than to be kept hanging in the wind as the Club is ATM. |
I have a lot more faith in our recruitment team than I have in the past. Montague is also getting deals over the line.
As players, I obviously want Darling and O’Brien here next season. However, if they are going to take massive chunks out of our budget and drastically limit who we can bring in, maybe we would be better off with four or five well sourced, cheaper, players. | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 21:03 - May 11 with 1177 views | vetchonian |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:53 - May 11 by jack247 |
I have a lot more faith in our recruitment team than I have in the past. Montague is also getting deals over the line.
As players, I obviously want Darling and O’Brien here next season. However, if they are going to take massive chunks out of our budget and drastically limit who we can bring in, maybe we would be better off with four or five well sourced, cheaper, players. |
Despite " breaking the bank" to offer Darling a new onttact it seems he is looking elswhere.
Retract the offer let him go.
This is not unlike the West Brom shanannings with Williams | |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 21:25 - May 11 with 1119 views | KeithHaynes |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:53 - May 11 by jack247 |
I have a lot more faith in our recruitment team than I have in the past. Montague is also getting deals over the line.
As players, I obviously want Darling and O’Brien here next season. However, if they are going to take massive chunks out of our budget and drastically limit who we can bring in, maybe we would be better off with four or five well sourced, cheaper, players. |
Sadly a very prosperous and vibrant Valencia under Carlos Corberán who knows Lewis well are being tipped here to get him. | |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 21:41 - May 11 with 1057 views | jack247 |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 21:25 - May 11 by KeithHaynes |
Sadly a very prosperous and vibrant Valencia under Carlos Corberán who knows Lewis well are being tipped here to get him. |
A week or so ago I said he was the perfect example of a loan done correctly and that I’d be fairly confident we could source a player of similar quality on a season long loan.
I’d love to have Lewis here, either on loan or permanently, but not at the expense of improving a few areas for the sake of one player. Same applies to Darling.
Great players who I’d love to have here, but not if it means we put all our eggs into that basket and don’t strengthen up front or beef up our threadbare squad. | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 22:06 - May 11 with 992 views | KeithHaynes |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 21:41 - May 11 by jack247 |
A week or so ago I said he was the perfect example of a loan done correctly and that I’d be fairly confident we could source a player of similar quality on a season long loan.
I’d love to have Lewis here, either on loan or permanently, but not at the expense of improving a few areas for the sake of one player. Same applies to Darling.
Great players who I’d love to have here, but not if it means we put all our eggs into that basket and don’t strengthen up front or beef up our threadbare squad. |
Forest can’t be interested in a loan unless the fee is massive. 3M plus as that’s pretty much what they would want for him of he was sold in the window. Then there’s his wages. It would potentially break the bank. But who knows this is a great test for Richard Montague. | |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 22:23 - May 11 with 953 views | Boundy |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 20:53 - May 11 by jack247 |
I have a lot more faith in our recruitment team than I have in the past. Montague is also getting deals over the line.
As players, I obviously want Darling and O’Brien here next season. However, if they are going to take massive chunks out of our budget and drastically limit who we can bring in, maybe we would be better off with four or five well sourced, cheaper, players. |
I agree although early days there is now a look of a more professional way in which the Club does its business including player purchase and in such a short space of time I find that more than encouraging that we will replace Darling and quite shortly after saying "who" | |
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| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 22:30 - May 11 with 935 views | JackUlation |
Darling on the movie from Swansea, says his agent. probably Birmingham. | | | |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 07:58 - May 12 with 807 views | pete |
| Darling given an ultimatum plus what next ? on 14:21 - May 10 by KeithHaynes |
Darling has been offered a huge contract (bonus related) we could sign three players for that. |
Whilst not blaming him about looking to see whats out there and if as has been reported he has been offered the best deal we can afford then with our current recruitment team on the case they must have given him a date to sign for us by ( as has been reported) if by said date he has not done so withdraw the offer and move on, the club today has done what it can, if he does not want to be part of whats looking like a positive looking upcoming season with people who now know what they are doing rather than what has gone on in the past then sorry to say but ADIOS | | | |
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