| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. 23:04 - Jan 14 with 21824 views | BromleyHoop |
https://t.co/8t6fl2kJwp
Hopefully the above link works. It’s from a BBC podcast on Welsh football.
There’s a very interesting insight from Danny Gabbidon about his time at Crystal Palace working under Ian Holloway during his short time as manager there. Listen between. 12.20 and 19.10.
Gabbidon also doesn’t have great things to say about Mark Hughes when they were both at QPR. Listen from 24.10. [Post edited 14 Jan 2018 23:21]
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:09 - Jan 15 with 2977 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
I'd love to know of another manager that's going to cut the squad, the wage bill and do any better or would even want to take a job where that's expected with some of the fans that think we should be challenging for promotion.
I don't know about Olly but you're fecking deranged. [Post edited 15 Jan 2018 16:10]
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:17 - Jan 15 with 2960 views | WestbourneR |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:09 - Jan 15 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
I'd love to know of another manager that's going to cut the squad, the wage bill and do any better or would even want to take a job where that's expected with some of the fans that think we should be challenging for promotion.
I don't know about Olly but you're fecking deranged. [Post edited 15 Jan 2018 16:10]
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Nice. That settles that then, |  |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:20 - Jan 15 with 2951 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:17 - Jan 15 by WestbourneR |
Nice. That settles that then, |
You're welcome. | |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:39 - Jan 15 with 2911 views | gazza1 |
With the squad and players that we have we should be doing so much better......sadly, and I don't like knocking IH because I have a lot of respect for him, he makes many, many errors that a man of his experience shouldn't make.
Whilst I concur that he has got to make a lot of cuts and many restrictions in many ways, he was also wasted a lot of money buying or getting new players into the club.
I'm well pleased that we got 3 points on Saturday but realistically we should be going to places like Burton and getting 3 points.
I can see the argument in keeping him but, personally, I would replace him and build for next season now. [Post edited 15 Jan 2018 16:42]
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:44 - Jan 15 with 2899 views | WestbourneR |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:20 - Jan 15 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
You're welcome. |
No one in the whole world of football management would take the QPR job and be better than Ollie. If you say otherwise you're deranged. Danny Gabbidon is a vindictive fool who has made up a totally consistent story about Ollie's inconsistency. Ollie hasn't bought players he has no idea how to use in his system. It makes perfect sense to never play Wheeler and Shodipo and funnel our wide play through Bidwell and play Cousins and a range of others at wing back. QPR haven't gone on very long losing streaks under his management.
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:44 - Jan 15 with 2896 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 15:13 - Jan 15 by WestbourneR |
Annti I'm sorry I'm such a disappointment you.
I know we could a lot worse than Holloway but I know we could do better. I think he has too many failings.
I'm sorry if I use an ex-player laying out those failings as evidence of his failings. I think that seems perfectly logical and reasonable. |
Yes and no mate.
I've heard some bad things about his time at Palace, too. And along similar lines - a bit too much talking.
But Gabbidon was also saying what a great job Freedman was doing - and where's Freedman now? He's failed everywhere. He also says Holloway was very clear during the play-offs.
And what Gabbidon was saying was that they were playing long ball and winning. Not unreasonably, having put in place a very attractive, attacking team at Blackpool, Ollie probably thought he could get Palace, who might even have had a better squad, to do something similar. Personally, I think Ollie was in a very bad place then for whatever reason - he looked a broken man at the end of Palace.
And equally, for every Gabbidon, you'll find loads of other players (Ainsworth, Shittu, Adam, Baptiste, Gallen, Furlong etc etc) who will only really have good words for him. In fact, it seems likely Gallen was the one Dave Mc was hinting at that suggested Ollie to TF in the first place.
But, having read over 100 autobiographies of footballers over the last year for a project, I can tell you this: when it comes to managers, players are unbelievably unreliable. If picked, generally speaking, players are happy. If not, they think the manager is an idiot. Not all the time - but 95% of grudges (and not suggesting at all this is what it is with Gabbidon, as it seems an honest, if at times confused and confusing assessment) it's simply because they weren't being picked.
And when you look at Gabbidon that season - surprise, surprise, he was a bit part player. Nothing at all until December, then only really got in the side from the end of March. This is not a defence of Holloway, because they did almost throw it away that season - but he won his first 4, lost one in his first 10, then had an awful run at the back end of the season before rallying to go up. At what point was Gabbidon ignoring Holloway? When he wasn't in the side and they were winning? Or when he was in the side and they weren't winning, even though they were ignoring his instructions?
Players are 20-somethings. Like all 20-somethings, they're selfish and focused on their careers and themselves. That's just the way it is. |  |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:45 - Jan 15 with 2891 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:39 - Jan 15 by gazza1 |
With the squad and players that we have we should be doing so much better......sadly, and I don't like knocking IH because I have a lot of respect for him, he makes many, many errors that a man of his experience shouldn't make.
Whilst I concur that he has got to make a lot of cuts and many restrictions in many ways, he was also wasted a lot of money buying or getting new players into the club.
I'm well pleased that we got 3 points on Saturday but realistically we should be going to places like Burton and getting 3 points.
I can see the argument in keeping him but, personally, I would replace him and build for next season now. [Post edited 15 Jan 2018 16:42]
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he was also wasted a lot of money buying or getting new players into the club
Mmm WTF where.who are these players you allude to
You must be thinking of 'arry and MH [Post edited 15 Jan 2018 16:47]
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:50 - Jan 15 with 2876 views | OnlyMe |
Re: I often said, during our promotion from League One, that the players achieved it DESPITE the manager. And the interview seems to back me up. ;-) | | | |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:51 - Jan 15 with 2868 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:50 - Jan 15 by OnlyMe |
Re: I often said, during our promotion from League One, that the players achieved it DESPITE the manager. And the interview seems to back me up. ;-) |
nah Harry was later [Post edited 15 Jan 2018 16:52]
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:57 - Jan 15 with 2845 views | ngbqpr |
I had a great afternoon Saturday just gone watching a Rangers team where every single one of them was up for it and gave their all to secure an important win.
Right now, that seems a bit more relevant than what Danny friggin Gabbidon thinks. |  |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:05 - Jan 15 with 2821 views | WestbourneR |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:44 - Jan 15 by Antti_Heinola |
Yes and no mate.
I've heard some bad things about his time at Palace, too. And along similar lines - a bit too much talking.
But Gabbidon was also saying what a great job Freedman was doing - and where's Freedman now? He's failed everywhere. He also says Holloway was very clear during the play-offs.
And what Gabbidon was saying was that they were playing long ball and winning. Not unreasonably, having put in place a very attractive, attacking team at Blackpool, Ollie probably thought he could get Palace, who might even have had a better squad, to do something similar. Personally, I think Ollie was in a very bad place then for whatever reason - he looked a broken man at the end of Palace.
And equally, for every Gabbidon, you'll find loads of other players (Ainsworth, Shittu, Adam, Baptiste, Gallen, Furlong etc etc) who will only really have good words for him. In fact, it seems likely Gallen was the one Dave Mc was hinting at that suggested Ollie to TF in the first place.
But, having read over 100 autobiographies of footballers over the last year for a project, I can tell you this: when it comes to managers, players are unbelievably unreliable. If picked, generally speaking, players are happy. If not, they think the manager is an idiot. Not all the time - but 95% of grudges (and not suggesting at all this is what it is with Gabbidon, as it seems an honest, if at times confused and confusing assessment) it's simply because they weren't being picked.
And when you look at Gabbidon that season - surprise, surprise, he was a bit part player. Nothing at all until December, then only really got in the side from the end of March. This is not a defence of Holloway, because they did almost throw it away that season - but he won his first 4, lost one in his first 10, then had an awful run at the back end of the season before rallying to go up. At what point was Gabbidon ignoring Holloway? When he wasn't in the side and they were winning? Or when he was in the side and they weren't winning, even though they were ignoring his instructions?
Players are 20-somethings. Like all 20-somethings, they're selfish and focused on their careers and themselves. That's just the way it is. |
Fair enough Annti, I'll take what you say.
But I will say that I definitely don't get the impression from Gallen that he thinks Ollie is up to much as a manager. | |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:07 - Jan 15 with 2813 views | Dorse |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 15:10 - Jan 15 by WestbourneR |
Hang on the lovers are all dismissing it as rubbish. The guy has been very clear in what he says and it all fits with the problems we've been having. That's the fact.
I notice none of you seem to think what he says about Mark Hughes is rubbish.
I think there are blinkers on here are from the people who want to support Holloway no matter what.
I personally think he's a poor manager and Gabbidon's interview lays out exactly why. If you want to put up an interview laying the opposition then I'll be all ears. |
http://qprnet.com/index.php/qprnet-interviews/11-interview-bircham
Published in 2008. Long before he rejoined us:
'QPRnet: Ian Holloway was the man who bought you to Loftus Road, you must have an enormous amount of respect for him?
MB: Definitely, his man management was second to none and he really got the lads playing for him. I remember the first year in the Championship and his job was under threat, a few of us were carrying injuries and we went out and won seven on the bounce for him. That showed how much the lads enjoyed and respected him.
QPRnet: He has a reputation as a bit of a joker and at times got horrible stick from the Rangers crowd. Putting all the joking aside is he still a proper football man at heart?
MB: Yeh of course he is and tactically he won us plenty of games as well, I remember one time we played Ipswich and they’d always played a diamond formation, we went up there and played like a 4-2-4 and won the game.'
Though I don't suppose this counts because it's Bircham.
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:08 - Jan 15 with 2811 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:05 - Jan 15 by WestbourneR |
Fair enough Annti, I'll take what you say.
But I will say that I definitely don't get the impression from Gallen that he thinks Ollie is up to much as a manager. |
Fair enough, that was guesswork on my part. But Gallen had his best years under Ollie, barring his first season under GF. Ollie really helped revitalise him. So I'd be surprised if he had a low opinion of him. | |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:08 - Jan 15 with 2811 views | connell10 |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 16:57 - Jan 15 by ngbqpr |
I had a great afternoon Saturday just gone watching a Rangers team where every single one of them was up for it and gave their all to secure an important win.
Right now, that seems a bit more relevant than what Danny friggin Gabbidon thinks. |
Horray to that mate, some of our fans just can't enjoy when Rangers win! I'm sure some would rather we lost just to say look at me I told you so! |  |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:13 - Jan 15 with 2797 views | cheeseydane |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 15:10 - Jan 15 by WestbourneR |
Hang on the lovers are all dismissing it as rubbish. The guy has been very clear in what he says and it all fits with the problems we've been having. That's the fact.
I notice none of you seem to think what he says about Mark Hughes is rubbish.
I think there are blinkers on here are from the people who want to support Holloway no matter what.
I personally think he's a poor manager and Gabbidon's interview lays out exactly why. If you want to put up an interview laying the opposition then I'll be all ears. |
Maybe, just maybe, most are just backing the team/club/manager no matter what. There always seems to be a stick to beat someone within the club if you really dig deep deep deep.
This is a time of transition within the club. I think alot can appreciate that... and those that cant, well, if thats how you get your kicks, its a free world, but dont expect everyone to share your view. And i fail to see the benefit of bleating negatives at every opportunity.
The point of a supporter, is to support. That includes taking into consideration the clubs current position. |  |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:27 - Jan 15 with 2758 views | OnlyMe |
Tell the fans exactly where we stand (or where the owners think we stand) re: FFP and potential punishments and what the owners might or might not do with them if and when we get hit and THEN it will be easier/fairer to judge the manager, DOF, coaches and scouts. Surely? | | | |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:50 - Jan 15 with 2722 views | Nov77 |
Gallen and bircham talk a lot about what a laugh it was under Ollie, wasn’t bircham recently telling the ‘hilarious’ tale of him turning up drunk for training and standing down wind of Ollie so he wouldn’t smell the drink off him?
Hardly surprising that a manager whose preseason preparation was to take the players to Ibiza is ‘popular’. |  |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:55 - Jan 15 with 2711 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:27 - Jan 15 by OnlyMe |
Tell the fans exactly where we stand (or where the owners think we stand) re: FFP and potential punishments and what the owners might or might not do with them if and when we get hit and THEN it will be easier/fairer to judge the manager, DOF, coaches and scouts. Surely? |
Do you think they are playing games? playing charades, maybe you don't read the papers or MB's that much and are behind the times.
I'm sure many do think that on faceache and twit's
They have been telling ya for ages, there is no money. [Post edited 15 Jan 2018 17:56]
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 18:18 - Jan 15 with 2672 views | daveB |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 15:10 - Jan 15 by WestbourneR |
Hang on the lovers are all dismissing it as rubbish. The guy has been very clear in what he says and it all fits with the problems we've been having. That's the fact.
I notice none of you seem to think what he says about Mark Hughes is rubbish.
I think there are blinkers on here are from the people who want to support Holloway no matter what.
I personally think he's a poor manager and Gabbidon's interview lays out exactly why. If you want to put up an interview laying the opposition then I'll be all ears. |
I'm not dismissing it as rubbish, it sounds pretty accurate to me I just don't see the massive relevance in it.
Gabbidon didn't buy into Holloways methods which is fine, He did also say he liked him and that Holloway put a plan in place to win them the playoffs so wasn't all bad. I'm sure plenty of players wouldn't like playing under him but that doesn't really mean much with regards to his current job.
No one is saying Holloway is perfect and never makes a mistake, far from it. I'm not wearing any blinkers I just don't think he's doing that badly with the squad he has and I think the stick he takes and the non stop calls for his head are well over the top and I'm not convinced a new manager would do any better.
A new man would do things differently, possibly better, possibly worse but we'd soon find something wrong with them either the hat they are wearing or a player they are not picking. |  | | |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 18:22 - Jan 15 with 2665 views | daveB |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 17:50 - Jan 15 by Nov77 |
Gallen and bircham talk a lot about what a laugh it was under Ollie, wasn’t bircham recently telling the ‘hilarious’ tale of him turning up drunk for training and standing down wind of Ollie so he wouldn’t smell the drink off him?
Hardly surprising that a manager whose preseason preparation was to take the players to Ibiza is ‘popular’. |
That was only one year, previous pre seasons they stayed in the UK. What Holloway did with that team was put together a group who could manage the dressing room, socialise together and create a bond that transfered to the pitch so they all fought for each other. It can be spun as a laugh under him and players being able to have a good time but there was a method to that and it worked very well on the pitch.
Warnock is pretty similar in his approach to letting his players bond with each other and create a team spirit. | | | |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 18:24 - Jan 15 with 2661 views | R_from_afar |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 15:58 - Jan 15 by Northernr |
Treading water while hacking into the wage bill and squad is progress. It needs to be better next season, and the season after, but for now this is fine as long as we do indeed cut the size of the squad and the wage bill. |
It is quite some achievement to drastically cut the wage bill and keep clear of relegation. At the moment, Holloway is succeeding in doing that; long may that continue.
Some very harsh criticism here considering where we sit in the table, our circumstances, and the commitment and organisation we are seeing from the players.
Baptiste played under Holloway before and seemed happy enough to do so again. He's also performed pretty well so he can't be that confused.
Of course there are better managers than Holloway out there but now perhaps more than ever, it is a question of who would be prepared to come.
Of the managers who have no QPR connections, there are very few who manage to take as much pride in their work and forge as strong a connection with their new club - whoever it is - as Warnock and that's another worry for me. I don't want to see us lumbered with another manager who doesn't care and takes no pride in the role. For me, that is utterly soul-destroying.
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 18:57 - Jan 15 with 2610 views | LongsufferingR |
One thing I've noticed during the last couple of games is how the subs are joining in the goal celebrations even though they haven't been picked for the match. Just take a look at Sylla after Smyth scores v Cardiff and Oteh v Burton.
This is not a squad that is not together, not playing for the manager, confused by him, critical of him.
I haven't seen a single poster on here saying that IH is the perfect manager at the moment, yet anybody that doesn't want him sacked is apparently part of a love-in. Well the only love-in I can see is amongst a tight-knit squad with no egos that is doing it's best in difficult circumstances.
Danny Gabbidon? He may well be right in every word he says, but seriously, who cares? |  | | |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 20:20 - Jan 15 with 2532 views | T_Block |
Most of the early posts are from so-called fans who will criticise the present incumbent manager and immediately want a replacement.Quite depressing individuals who basically do not see why QPR cannot find a manager to get immediate promotion and get Rangers back to where they belong -just outside European qualification.Well I am afraid life isn't like that .It takes time to rebuild a team, especially if you have limited funds.
Some people cannot take this and whine.My advice go off and become a Man City or Chelsea fan.
This is really poor evidence for an inherent bias in some people.OK no one is pretending Holloway is the greatest manager in the world, but he has done ok.After HasselBaink the team plays some nice football-AN IMPROVEMENT..The team has been building team spirit-AN IMPROVEMENT.The team has recruited some better players-Smyth /Scowen/Freeman,and given our frontline has been having problems converting chances has guided the club to mid-table.
Yes I agree under pressure Holloway can appear erratic.
So maybe Holloway can build a good team around him.Penrice joint for example is a real boost.Build a brains trust behind him.Like the old Liverpool boot room.Has anyone asked Gerry Francis for example.There are solutions to this .
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 21:28 - Jan 15 with 2455 views | isawqpratwcity |
"MB: Definitely, his man management was second to none and he really got the lads playing for him. I remember the first year in the Championship and his job was under threat, a few of us were carrying injuries and we went out and won seven on the bounce for him. That showed how much the lads enjoyed and respected him. "
This is probably the best testimony to show how dramatically differently Holloway is performing this time around. Far from winning 'seven on the bounce', we have been treated to long, abject runs of losses. (Are we again to conclude this shows "how much the lads enjoyed and respected him"?)
Saying critics of Holloway cannot see the range of results is wrong. The variation between the very good performances and the very bad (yes, there are both) is obvious. And worse, the overall standard is not very good. A study of the cumulative results (yes, points per game) has not been flattering.
That said, it is now reasonable to assume that we will avoid relegation, so I'm not going to call for him to go before the end of the season. The bottom of the Championship is currently log-jammed with poor teams. If he goes into another tailspin and gets himself sacked then fine, but you couldn't expect anyone coming in after the transfer window to have much opportunity to make improvement so I couldn't see the point.
And if our current short run of reasonable form continues or improves? I'd be absolutely delighted. I have absolutely nothing against Holloway. If he gets his act together, if his better performances become the norm, we'd be seriously formidable. |  |
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| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 21:49 - Jan 15 with 2432 views | TW_R |
| Ian Holloway as Manager, a players view. on 15:27 - Jan 15 by Nov77 |
none of it surprising. you can tell from ollie's interviews he doesn't think concisley or with much clarity, simple questions are replied to with five minute monologues and rambles with tortured and usually made up metaphors. the latest being about players being mailmen delivering parcels.
always wondered how players managed to glean any clear instruction from his team talks.
managers like Warnock are clear and to the point, 'don't pass to Adel in our half'. 'defenders defend', 'we'll play football in their half of the field'. simple, clear, concise. every player knows their job. |
And yet there we were just a couple of weeks ago, the team with a manager where no one can glean any clear instructions beating the team with a manager who is clear and to the point. |  | | |
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