| This week's podcast on 15:21 - May 20 with 1852 views | daveB |
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What was the site called Dave? I enjoy / enjoyed your AKUTRs articles so would have been surprised if I’d missed it. |
was imaginatively titled Daves QPR Website - queensparkrangersfc.com
Did match reports, stats, previews, a hall of fame, basically what Clive does without the insight and humour |  | |  |
| This week's podcast on 15:47 - May 20 with 1823 views | Esox_Lucius |
| This week's podcast on 15:21 - May 20 by daveB |
was imaginatively titled Daves QPR Website - queensparkrangersfc.com
Did match reports, stats, previews, a hall of fame, basically what Clive does without the insight and humour |
Hmmm, I think I might have an idea who it was...  |  |
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| This week's podcast on 15:51 - May 20 with 1821 views | Northernr |
| This week's podcast on 15:47 - May 20 by Esox_Lucius |
Hmmm, I think I might have an idea who it was... |
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| This week's podcast on 16:25 - May 20 with 1788 views | joe90 |
| This week's podcast on 10:21 - May 20 by Northernr |
Yeh, proper "internet, serious business" small time stuff on the face of it.
In short there's a number of Twitter accounts that Tweet about QPR and right wing politics. Love Brexit and hate anybody who dares to report on QPR as a journalist, run a QPR website, appear on a QPR podcast and so on. Anybody who does one of those things, or doesn't like Brexit, can expect to be followed around on that site, told how thick they are, told how fat they are, stuff like that. Small time, playground bullying really. Easily ignored.
* before this turns into a Brexit thread, I'm not making a comment on the merits of Brexit one way or the other, I'm just saying it is a common theme among these sock puppet accounts that the profiles they set up with and the non-QPR stuff they Tweet about is always right wing politics and pro-Brexit.
Bout a week ago some actor (I have to say I hadn't heard of him before) did a deep dive on one of these accounts, forgotten the guy's name by think it was 'Mark Johnson' whose profile said he was a black headteacher in West London, three kids, QPR, Brexiteer "which makes me a pariah in the education system" or something along those lines. All these profiles have a similar thing - generic untraceable profile picture (or some other random pic), really common name, everyday job, QPR and often something political in the bio. It's never a picture of anybody you've ever seen at a QPR match.
This 'headteacher' account had been doing all the bullying and harrassing of other QPR fans and people of different political persuasions that these accounts specialise in, repeatedly branding people racist and so on. Anyway said actor managed to find the actual guy in this Mark Johnson's profile picture, turns out it's actually a lecturer at some university in Texas. Got in contact with him, confirmed the picture was him but the account wasn't, posted it all up on the site at which point whoever was running the Mark Johnson 'sock puppet' account panicked and deleted it.
He's since called out a number of other accounts, some of which have gone quiet, some of which have disappeared, and some of which have tried to respond with some pretty amateurish photoshopped attempts to prove they're a real person after all. Actor man has invited them to FaceTime him and call him a wnkr to his face to prove they're a real person, but they don't take him up on it, because they can't of course.
Like I say, this is all pretty petty and small time. Some of the stuff that these accounts have been used for has been pretty unpleasant. Posts like "you know Finney's lost an argument when he brings up how poorly his mum is" while Fin is sitting at his mother's hospital bedside aren't uncommon. "Clive Whittingham, the guy who spaffed his dead dad's money on pretending to be a sports journalist" another fine example. Now, again, you could just say ignore it, it's pretty vile but it's just words, and that's fine I agree with you, it used to really get to me but over the last year I've just blocked or muted them and got on with it. They've accused me of stealing photographs for the site and tried to get me into trouble that way, gone through my linkedin and got in touch with my boss to try and get me fired for doing LFW work at work that sort of thing. Weird, too much time on their hands, but ok, except...
... Middlesbrough H during the McClaren season, one of these accounts decided to live tweet how I was behaving during the match, which is slightly unsettling and sinister in itself, knowing you're being watched, but again, ok if that's how you want to conduct yourself. Anyway, seat next to me in F Block is shared between Tracey and Jas who do half the games each cos of work commitments. Jas was in the seat that day and her other half had a few afterwards and objected to this account stalking us at the game, Tweeted it back (lethal, as soon as you respond this guy's got you). He then received a whole load of direct messages into his Twitter account from whoever this is saying that actually I'd been touching Jas up during games, kissing at half time, basically having an affair with his wife and he needs to get involved and intervene.
It becomes a bit more serious, I think, than a poxy Twitter spat and playground bullying when somebody is willing to set up anonymous accounts and try to break up a marriage and a very long standing friendship, just because they don't like me running a QPR website or what I say on it. Especially as, it turns out, all these accounts are sock puppets being run by one person.
Like you say, this has been going on at QPR for 25 years, since the internet first arrived and Tommy Nintendo went after Dave Thomas for the heinous crime of editing a fanzine. If it's another fan doing it, that's pretty sad. If it's somebody who works for or at the club, that's a bigger problem because like I say they've waged several campaigns against season ticket holders, they went after Ian Taylor in a big way when he worked here, and Ian Holloway as well.
It's so weird, quite funny when you look at it as an outsider, unbelievably sad and petty, but believe me when you're on the end of it and they start really coming after you it's deeply unpleasant, plays on your mind, keeps you from sleeping...
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Wow, that is crazy!
So, is this person actually a QPR fan or just a right wing nut-job that has focused their attention onto a relatively obscure group of QPR fans?
I find it astonishing that one person can feel strongly enough to wage and sustain a campaign.
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| This week's podcast on 16:41 - May 20 with 1762 views | Northernr |
| This week's podcast on 16:25 - May 20 by joe90 |
Wow, that is crazy!
So, is this person actually a QPR fan or just a right wing nut-job that has focused their attention onto a relatively obscure group of QPR fans?
I find it astonishing that one person can feel strongly enough to wage and sustain a campaign.
Not a nice thing to experience. |
I've got a fair idea who it is, a short short list.
You can expect a pretend lawyer's letter in fairly short order should you ever name one of the names that all roads often lead to on this though. Think we've all had one or two of those at some point down the years.
Whether I'm right on that or not, it's pretty clear we're dealing with an absolute weirdo whoever it is.
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| This week's podcast on 17:19 - May 20 with 1727 views | Rangersw12 |
| This week's podcast on 16:41 - May 20 by Northernr |
I've got a fair idea who it is, a short short list.
You can expect a pretend lawyer's letter in fairly short order should you ever name one of the names that all roads often lead to on this though. Think we've all had one or two of those at some point down the years.
Whether I'm right on that or not, it's pretty clear we're dealing with an absolute weirdo whoever it is.
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Not a ground hopping person is it ? |  | | |
| This week's podcast on 17:54 - May 20 with 1699 views | SonofNorfolt |
| This week's podcast on 17:19 - May 20 by Rangersw12 |
Not a ground hopping person is it ? |
I get the feeling that he wasn't a founder member of the C-mob, or even the Rangers Youth.
Could be wrong though? |  | | |
| This week's podcast on 18:46 - May 20 with 1662 views | aston_hoop |
| This week's podcast on 16:41 - May 20 by Northernr |
I've got a fair idea who it is, a short short list.
You can expect a pretend lawyer's letter in fairly short order should you ever name one of the names that all roads often lead to on this though. Think we've all had one or two of those at some point down the years.
Whether I'm right on that or not, it's pretty clear we're dealing with an absolute weirdo whoever it is.
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Just curious really, but is there a reason nobody has gone down the legal route with this one? after all, it may seem petty and inconsequential sure but thats stalking and harassment and someone like that shouldn't be allowed to get away with that. |  |
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| This week's podcast on 18:47 - May 20 with 1658 views | Northernr |
| This week's podcast on 18:46 - May 20 by aston_hoop |
Just curious really, but is there a reason nobody has gone down the legal route with this one? after all, it may seem petty and inconsequential sure but thats stalking and harassment and someone like that shouldn't be allowed to get away with that. |
Money. | | | |
| This week's podcast on 18:53 - May 20 with 1645 views | aston_hoop |
| This week's podcast on 18:47 - May 20 by Northernr |
Money. |
Ah fair enough. | |
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| This week's podcast (n/t) on 20:29 - May 20 with 1579 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
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| This week's podcast on 22:09 - May 20 with 1499 views | thame_hoops |
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Money. |
We must have a lawyer on here, Shirley... Pro Bono |  | | |
| This week's podcast on 00:03 - May 21 with 1441 views | Antti_Heinola |
| This week's podcast on 10:21 - May 20 by Northernr |
Yeh, proper "internet, serious business" small time stuff on the face of it.
In short there's a number of Twitter accounts that Tweet about QPR and right wing politics. Love Brexit and hate anybody who dares to report on QPR as a journalist, run a QPR website, appear on a QPR podcast and so on. Anybody who does one of those things, or doesn't like Brexit, can expect to be followed around on that site, told how thick they are, told how fat they are, stuff like that. Small time, playground bullying really. Easily ignored.
* before this turns into a Brexit thread, I'm not making a comment on the merits of Brexit one way or the other, I'm just saying it is a common theme among these sock puppet accounts that the profiles they set up with and the non-QPR stuff they Tweet about is always right wing politics and pro-Brexit.
Bout a week ago some actor (I have to say I hadn't heard of him before) did a deep dive on one of these accounts, forgotten the guy's name by think it was 'Mark Johnson' whose profile said he was a black headteacher in West London, three kids, QPR, Brexiteer "which makes me a pariah in the education system" or something along those lines. All these profiles have a similar thing - generic untraceable profile picture (or some other random pic), really common name, everyday job, QPR and often something political in the bio. It's never a picture of anybody you've ever seen at a QPR match.
This 'headteacher' account had been doing all the bullying and harrassing of other QPR fans and people of different political persuasions that these accounts specialise in, repeatedly branding people racist and so on. Anyway said actor managed to find the actual guy in this Mark Johnson's profile picture, turns out it's actually a lecturer at some university in Texas. Got in contact with him, confirmed the picture was him but the account wasn't, posted it all up on the site at which point whoever was running the Mark Johnson 'sock puppet' account panicked and deleted it.
He's since called out a number of other accounts, some of which have gone quiet, some of which have disappeared, and some of which have tried to respond with some pretty amateurish photoshopped attempts to prove they're a real person after all. Actor man has invited them to FaceTime him and call him a wnkr to his face to prove they're a real person, but they don't take him up on it, because they can't of course.
Like I say, this is all pretty petty and small time. Some of the stuff that these accounts have been used for has been pretty unpleasant. Posts like "you know Finney's lost an argument when he brings up how poorly his mum is" while Fin is sitting at his mother's hospital bedside aren't uncommon. "Clive Whittingham, the guy who spaffed his dead dad's money on pretending to be a sports journalist" another fine example. Now, again, you could just say ignore it, it's pretty vile but it's just words, and that's fine I agree with you, it used to really get to me but over the last year I've just blocked or muted them and got on with it. They've accused me of stealing photographs for the site and tried to get me into trouble that way, gone through my linkedin and got in touch with my boss to try and get me fired for doing LFW work at work that sort of thing. Weird, too much time on their hands, but ok, except...
... Middlesbrough H during the McClaren season, one of these accounts decided to live tweet how I was behaving during the match, which is slightly unsettling and sinister in itself, knowing you're being watched, but again, ok if that's how you want to conduct yourself. Anyway, seat next to me in F Block is shared between Tracey and Jas who do half the games each cos of work commitments. Jas was in the seat that day and her other half had a few afterwards and objected to this account stalking us at the game, Tweeted it back (lethal, as soon as you respond this guy's got you). He then received a whole load of direct messages into his Twitter account from whoever this is saying that actually I'd been touching Jas up during games, kissing at half time, basically having an affair with his wife and he needs to get involved and intervene.
It becomes a bit more serious, I think, than a poxy Twitter spat and playground bullying when somebody is willing to set up anonymous accounts and try to break up a marriage and a very long standing friendship, just because they don't like me running a QPR website or what I say on it. Especially as, it turns out, all these accounts are sock puppets being run by one person.
Like you say, this has been going on at QPR for 25 years, since the internet first arrived and Tommy Nintendo went after Dave Thomas for the heinous crime of editing a fanzine. If it's another fan doing it, that's pretty sad. If it's somebody who works for or at the club, that's a bigger problem because like I say they've waged several campaigns against season ticket holders, they went after Ian Taylor in a big way when he worked here, and Ian Holloway as well.
It's so weird, quite funny when you look at it as an outsider, unbelievably sad and petty, but believe me when you're on the end of it and they start really coming after you it's deeply unpleasant, plays on your mind, keeps you from sleeping...
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Jesus christ that's awful. I know you had a lot of issues, but jesus christ, i didn't realise it had reached those levels. Sorry to hear it. People are horrible. |  |
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| This week's podcast on 08:01 - May 21 with 1357 views | Esox_Lucius |
| This week's podcast on 16:41 - May 20 by Northernr |
I've got a fair idea who it is, a short short list.
You can expect a pretend lawyer's letter in fairly short order should you ever name one of the names that all roads often lead to on this though. Think we've all had one or two of those at some point down the years.
Whether I'm right on that or not, it's pretty clear we're dealing with an absolute weirdo whoever it is.
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Perhaps a sit down with an aperitif to clear the mind? | |
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| This week's podcast on 10:58 - May 21 with 1274 views | switchingcode |
| This week's podcast on 00:03 - May 21 by Antti_Heinola |
Jesus christ that's awful. I know you had a lot of issues, but jesus christ, i didn't realise it had reached those levels. Sorry to hear it. People are horrible. |
Blimey,that’s an unbelievable read.Clive is an excellent reporter of all things QPR.l always read his match reports as they are factual fair and amusing.This crap will keep happening until we are all able to be accountable. | | | |
| This week's podcast on 11:00 - May 21 with 1270 views | londonscottish |
| This week's podcast on 10:21 - May 20 by Northernr |
Yeh, proper "internet, serious business" small time stuff on the face of it.
In short there's a number of Twitter accounts that Tweet about QPR and right wing politics. Love Brexit and hate anybody who dares to report on QPR as a journalist, run a QPR website, appear on a QPR podcast and so on. Anybody who does one of those things, or doesn't like Brexit, can expect to be followed around on that site, told how thick they are, told how fat they are, stuff like that. Small time, playground bullying really. Easily ignored.
* before this turns into a Brexit thread, I'm not making a comment on the merits of Brexit one way or the other, I'm just saying it is a common theme among these sock puppet accounts that the profiles they set up with and the non-QPR stuff they Tweet about is always right wing politics and pro-Brexit.
Bout a week ago some actor (I have to say I hadn't heard of him before) did a deep dive on one of these accounts, forgotten the guy's name by think it was 'Mark Johnson' whose profile said he was a black headteacher in West London, three kids, QPR, Brexiteer "which makes me a pariah in the education system" or something along those lines. All these profiles have a similar thing - generic untraceable profile picture (or some other random pic), really common name, everyday job, QPR and often something political in the bio. It's never a picture of anybody you've ever seen at a QPR match.
This 'headteacher' account had been doing all the bullying and harrassing of other QPR fans and people of different political persuasions that these accounts specialise in, repeatedly branding people racist and so on. Anyway said actor managed to find the actual guy in this Mark Johnson's profile picture, turns out it's actually a lecturer at some university in Texas. Got in contact with him, confirmed the picture was him but the account wasn't, posted it all up on the site at which point whoever was running the Mark Johnson 'sock puppet' account panicked and deleted it.
He's since called out a number of other accounts, some of which have gone quiet, some of which have disappeared, and some of which have tried to respond with some pretty amateurish photoshopped attempts to prove they're a real person after all. Actor man has invited them to FaceTime him and call him a wnkr to his face to prove they're a real person, but they don't take him up on it, because they can't of course.
Like I say, this is all pretty petty and small time. Some of the stuff that these accounts have been used for has been pretty unpleasant. Posts like "you know Finney's lost an argument when he brings up how poorly his mum is" while Fin is sitting at his mother's hospital bedside aren't uncommon. "Clive Whittingham, the guy who spaffed his dead dad's money on pretending to be a sports journalist" another fine example. Now, again, you could just say ignore it, it's pretty vile but it's just words, and that's fine I agree with you, it used to really get to me but over the last year I've just blocked or muted them and got on with it. They've accused me of stealing photographs for the site and tried to get me into trouble that way, gone through my linkedin and got in touch with my boss to try and get me fired for doing LFW work at work that sort of thing. Weird, too much time on their hands, but ok, except...
... Middlesbrough H during the McClaren season, one of these accounts decided to live tweet how I was behaving during the match, which is slightly unsettling and sinister in itself, knowing you're being watched, but again, ok if that's how you want to conduct yourself. Anyway, seat next to me in F Block is shared between Tracey and Jas who do half the games each cos of work commitments. Jas was in the seat that day and her other half had a few afterwards and objected to this account stalking us at the game, Tweeted it back (lethal, as soon as you respond this guy's got you). He then received a whole load of direct messages into his Twitter account from whoever this is saying that actually I'd been touching Jas up during games, kissing at half time, basically having an affair with his wife and he needs to get involved and intervene.
It becomes a bit more serious, I think, than a poxy Twitter spat and playground bullying when somebody is willing to set up anonymous accounts and try to break up a marriage and a very long standing friendship, just because they don't like me running a QPR website or what I say on it. Especially as, it turns out, all these accounts are sock puppets being run by one person.
Like you say, this has been going on at QPR for 25 years, since the internet first arrived and Tommy Nintendo went after Dave Thomas for the heinous crime of editing a fanzine. If it's another fan doing it, that's pretty sad. If it's somebody who works for or at the club, that's a bigger problem because like I say they've waged several campaigns against season ticket holders, they went after Ian Taylor in a big way when he worked here, and Ian Holloway as well.
It's so weird, quite funny when you look at it as an outsider, unbelievably sad and petty, but believe me when you're on the end of it and they start really coming after you it's deeply unpleasant, plays on your mind, keeps you from sleeping...
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Jesus wept that's horrific.
I knew you and Finney were on the receiving end of some of this shit but I had no idea of the scale. |  |
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| This week's podcast on 11:40 - May 21 with 1226 views | francisbowles |
Blimey, I thought I was going to read a thread about Neil Warnock!
Clive, you have told us some of your troubles with the two sm (behave guys) sites before and hopefully you know that we all offer our full support. Rather than stealing stuff from the club, your site and others add to and stimulate the interest in QPR. I think it's obvious that the club recognise this as well.
Going back to the podcast, although much or most of what NW describes is factual there is a Warnock interpretation on everything that happened. For example, he said that they weren't going to spend any money that summer and he couldn't sign anyone but didn't we sign Bothroyd, Campbell, Bruno (Brazilian cb), Gabbidon, Murphy (GK), Kieron Dyer, Troy Hewitt and a couple of internal academy lads before the takeover was complete. Now I know that they weren't huge names and it wasn't splashing the cash like the deadline day five (+ 1 loan) but they all cost something in wages and signing on fees and there may have been transfer fees involved in one or two as well.
The deadline day five was a huge disaster for the club and whatever the circumstances that lead up to it, Warnock must take a share of the blame.
I wasn't sure at the time, whether he should go and now, with hindsight, I believe he should have stayed. However, by his own admission he had lost the dressing room, it was splitting into cliques, and that made the slump we had entered into very difficult to recover from.
In some ways Neil was like the two unmentionable ex managers that followed, in that to quote Clive 'he liked to rack and stack players' as well as bringing in those that had done a job for him before. Just look at the players that were in the squad in 2010/11 as well, the likes of Hulse, Chimbonda, Shittu and the striker that scored against Leicester. The difference was that he usually made it work, had the respect of his players and built a great team spirit. That season was brilliant.
This time in the autumn of 2011 though, he couldn't make it work, he lost the spirit that had been so great in the Championship season and tried to take it forward with Barton. He must rue the day he signed him. | | | |
| This week's podcast on 12:14 - May 21 with 1203 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| This week's podcast on 11:40 - May 21 by francisbowles |
Blimey, I thought I was going to read a thread about Neil Warnock!
Clive, you have told us some of your troubles with the two sm (behave guys) sites before and hopefully you know that we all offer our full support. Rather than stealing stuff from the club, your site and others add to and stimulate the interest in QPR. I think it's obvious that the club recognise this as well.
Going back to the podcast, although much or most of what NW describes is factual there is a Warnock interpretation on everything that happened. For example, he said that they weren't going to spend any money that summer and he couldn't sign anyone but didn't we sign Bothroyd, Campbell, Bruno (Brazilian cb), Gabbidon, Murphy (GK), Kieron Dyer, Troy Hewitt and a couple of internal academy lads before the takeover was complete. Now I know that they weren't huge names and it wasn't splashing the cash like the deadline day five (+ 1 loan) but they all cost something in wages and signing on fees and there may have been transfer fees involved in one or two as well.
The deadline day five was a huge disaster for the club and whatever the circumstances that lead up to it, Warnock must take a share of the blame.
I wasn't sure at the time, whether he should go and now, with hindsight, I believe he should have stayed. However, by his own admission he had lost the dressing room, it was splitting into cliques, and that made the slump we had entered into very difficult to recover from.
In some ways Neil was like the two unmentionable ex managers that followed, in that to quote Clive 'he liked to rack and stack players' as well as bringing in those that had done a job for him before. Just look at the players that were in the squad in 2010/11 as well, the likes of Hulse, Chimbonda, Shittu and the striker that scored against Leicester. The difference was that he usually made it work, had the respect of his players and built a great team spirit. That season was brilliant.
This time in the autumn of 2011 though, he couldn't make it work, he lost the spirit that had been so great in the Championship season and tried to take it forward with Barton. He must rue the day he signed him. |
That's a very balanced analysis, fb. |  |
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| This week's podcast on 13:59 - May 21 with 1114 views | R_from_afar |
| This week's podcast on 16:59 - May 18 by paulparker |
Forgot that
Had to be a TF plant |
It was not me holding the banner and I know nothing about how it came into being, plus I have never had any contact with Tony, but to be honest, at the time, I wanted 'Arry to come and save us. I am embarrassed to say it, but I really did. What was I thinking? (gun to the back of the head emoji) + 
While I am here, Clive, that story of the how you have been stalked and harrassed is horrific. So sorry that has happened.
I'm not sure if it's any use to any of you but Norton (boo hiss, they compete with my employer) have just released a free Twitter bot detector plug-in:
https://download.botsight.nlok-research.me/
If you upgrade to the professional release, you get two free drone strikes on the offenders per year (I jest). |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| This week's podcast on 14:16 - May 21 with 1095 views | francisbowles |
| This week's podcast on 12:14 - May 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's a very balanced analysis, fb. |
Thanks Brian, that means a lot from you.   | | | |
| This week's podcast on 16:23 - May 21 with 1035 views | PhilmyRs |
| This week's podcast on 12:14 - May 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
That's a very balanced analysis, fb. |
Yeah, thought it was a balanced account.
I’d also add that the dismantling of “that Team”, the Championship winners, “Warnock’s Team”, was not just because of the Takeover and everything that came with it but was also supported by him at the time. I vaguely remember him talking of needing significant change once in the top flight — Kaspar Gorks anyone? So you could say he was partly complicit in its dismantling and if we’re all honest, quite a few of the fans were of the same view . Hindsight is a wonderful thing..
No complaints with the questions and as you would expect, a lot of the focus was on Adel. He openly talked of the leeway he was afforded (on and off the pitch) but I’d be interested in knowing if in hindsight, he viewed it as a mistake? Obvious answer is no — he got us promoted — but longer term does he think it was a mistake? Allowing someone so much freedom, making it part of everyday life, placing so much reliance on one player, does it then make it much harder to make that player fall into line and be what you need in a relegation scrap — e.g. all pulling in the same direction, working hard on the pitch. Was Warnock’s indulgence of Adel a reason he took 5/6 years to finally sort himself out and become the player he should always have been?
These are just musings. I liked Warnock, and sitting in the garden with a beer, listening to that was brilliant, brought back so many great memories. Yeah he knows how to play to the crowd, say’s what you want to hear and has a great ability to spin things. But to be honest, when he talks like he did on the Pod, who actually cares about that? I didn’t, I just found it a great listen.
Ps — had a sly snigger when talking Paladini — Was slightly worried when he was speaking so well of him, even hinting he was a good bridge between the owners at the time but when it came to the Faurlin thing, did he trust him? Did he fck, “I arranged to speak with the legal people”…Not going to take Gianni’s word for it…Back up in my estimations. | | | |
| This week's podcast on 16:46 - May 21 with 1019 views | Northernr |
| This week's podcast on 16:23 - May 21 by PhilmyRs |
Yeah, thought it was a balanced account.
I’d also add that the dismantling of “that Team”, the Championship winners, “Warnock’s Team”, was not just because of the Takeover and everything that came with it but was also supported by him at the time. I vaguely remember him talking of needing significant change once in the top flight — Kaspar Gorks anyone? So you could say he was partly complicit in its dismantling and if we’re all honest, quite a few of the fans were of the same view . Hindsight is a wonderful thing..
No complaints with the questions and as you would expect, a lot of the focus was on Adel. He openly talked of the leeway he was afforded (on and off the pitch) but I’d be interested in knowing if in hindsight, he viewed it as a mistake? Obvious answer is no — he got us promoted — but longer term does he think it was a mistake? Allowing someone so much freedom, making it part of everyday life, placing so much reliance on one player, does it then make it much harder to make that player fall into line and be what you need in a relegation scrap — e.g. all pulling in the same direction, working hard on the pitch. Was Warnock’s indulgence of Adel a reason he took 5/6 years to finally sort himself out and become the player he should always have been?
These are just musings. I liked Warnock, and sitting in the garden with a beer, listening to that was brilliant, brought back so many great memories. Yeah he knows how to play to the crowd, say’s what you want to hear and has a great ability to spin things. But to be honest, when he talks like he did on the Pod, who actually cares about that? I didn’t, I just found it a great listen.
Ps — had a sly snigger when talking Paladini — Was slightly worried when he was speaking so well of him, even hinting he was a good bridge between the owners at the time but when it came to the Faurlin thing, did he trust him? Did he fck, “I arranged to speak with the legal people”…Not going to take Gianni’s word for it…Back up in my estimations. |
That was always my experience with Paladini as well. Actually very engaging, interesting guy to talk to and spend time with, tell you loads of stories, tell you loads of stuff he shouldn't, quite funny and personable. But would you trust a single word he told you? Absolutely not. | | | |
| This week's podcast on 17:34 - May 21 with 993 views | qprxtc |
I drove over to the Club Shop one afternoon to quickly run in, buy something and dash out again. Operation that should have taken less than two or three minutes on that quiet afternoon.
Just as I’m about to pay Palladini walks up to me and starts chatting away about this, that and the other and why it’s all going tits up. I’m barely listening and all I said was hello and see ya.
Fifteen minutes later I walk out to a £80 sodding parking ticket and Palladini has disappeared into thin air.
Git, still owes me. |  | | |
| This week's podcast on 04:05 - May 22 with 832 views | SuffolkHoop |
| This week's podcast on 10:21 - May 20 by Northernr |
Yeh, proper "internet, serious business" small time stuff on the face of it.
In short there's a number of Twitter accounts that Tweet about QPR and right wing politics. Love Brexit and hate anybody who dares to report on QPR as a journalist, run a QPR website, appear on a QPR podcast and so on. Anybody who does one of those things, or doesn't like Brexit, can expect to be followed around on that site, told how thick they are, told how fat they are, stuff like that. Small time, playground bullying really. Easily ignored.
* before this turns into a Brexit thread, I'm not making a comment on the merits of Brexit one way or the other, I'm just saying it is a common theme among these sock puppet accounts that the profiles they set up with and the non-QPR stuff they Tweet about is always right wing politics and pro-Brexit.
Bout a week ago some actor (I have to say I hadn't heard of him before) did a deep dive on one of these accounts, forgotten the guy's name by think it was 'Mark Johnson' whose profile said he was a black headteacher in West London, three kids, QPR, Brexiteer "which makes me a pariah in the education system" or something along those lines. All these profiles have a similar thing - generic untraceable profile picture (or some other random pic), really common name, everyday job, QPR and often something political in the bio. It's never a picture of anybody you've ever seen at a QPR match.
This 'headteacher' account had been doing all the bullying and harrassing of other QPR fans and people of different political persuasions that these accounts specialise in, repeatedly branding people racist and so on. Anyway said actor managed to find the actual guy in this Mark Johnson's profile picture, turns out it's actually a lecturer at some university in Texas. Got in contact with him, confirmed the picture was him but the account wasn't, posted it all up on the site at which point whoever was running the Mark Johnson 'sock puppet' account panicked and deleted it.
He's since called out a number of other accounts, some of which have gone quiet, some of which have disappeared, and some of which have tried to respond with some pretty amateurish photoshopped attempts to prove they're a real person after all. Actor man has invited them to FaceTime him and call him a wnkr to his face to prove they're a real person, but they don't take him up on it, because they can't of course.
Like I say, this is all pretty petty and small time. Some of the stuff that these accounts have been used for has been pretty unpleasant. Posts like "you know Finney's lost an argument when he brings up how poorly his mum is" while Fin is sitting at his mother's hospital bedside aren't uncommon. "Clive Whittingham, the guy who spaffed his dead dad's money on pretending to be a sports journalist" another fine example. Now, again, you could just say ignore it, it's pretty vile but it's just words, and that's fine I agree with you, it used to really get to me but over the last year I've just blocked or muted them and got on with it. They've accused me of stealing photographs for the site and tried to get me into trouble that way, gone through my linkedin and got in touch with my boss to try and get me fired for doing LFW work at work that sort of thing. Weird, too much time on their hands, but ok, except...
... Middlesbrough H during the McClaren season, one of these accounts decided to live tweet how I was behaving during the match, which is slightly unsettling and sinister in itself, knowing you're being watched, but again, ok if that's how you want to conduct yourself. Anyway, seat next to me in F Block is shared between Tracey and Jas who do half the games each cos of work commitments. Jas was in the seat that day and her other half had a few afterwards and objected to this account stalking us at the game, Tweeted it back (lethal, as soon as you respond this guy's got you). He then received a whole load of direct messages into his Twitter account from whoever this is saying that actually I'd been touching Jas up during games, kissing at half time, basically having an affair with his wife and he needs to get involved and intervene.
It becomes a bit more serious, I think, than a poxy Twitter spat and playground bullying when somebody is willing to set up anonymous accounts and try to break up a marriage and a very long standing friendship, just because they don't like me running a QPR website or what I say on it. Especially as, it turns out, all these accounts are sock puppets being run by one person.
Like you say, this has been going on at QPR for 25 years, since the internet first arrived and Tommy Nintendo went after Dave Thomas for the heinous crime of editing a fanzine. If it's another fan doing it, that's pretty sad. If it's somebody who works for or at the club, that's a bigger problem because like I say they've waged several campaigns against season ticket holders, they went after Ian Taylor in a big way when he worked here, and Ian Holloway as well.
It's so weird, quite funny when you look at it as an outsider, unbelievably sad and petty, but believe me when you're on the end of it and they start really coming after you it's deeply unpleasant, plays on your mind, keeps you from sleeping...
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Bloody hell mate thats awful. Can't you ask the police to track some of these accounts down? Shouldn't be too hard for them. |  | | |
| This week's podcast on 10:28 - May 22 with 701 views | robith |
| This week's podcast on 04:05 - May 22 by SuffolkHoop |
Bloody hell mate thats awful. Can't you ask the police to track some of these accounts down? Shouldn't be too hard for them. |
No, that's why there's so many of those accounts.
The tech platforms won't do anything about it - I mean there's actual, literal Nazis on twitter posting away, day after day, not to mention umpteen death and rape threats doled out every second.
And the police don't even have the resources to help if you're being stalked IRL |  | | |
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