| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:49 - Dec 27 with 1126 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:46 - Dec 27 by swan65split |
Who am I ?!!!!
Cullen, I told you a while ago theres a striker in there. |
Not a very good one.
Two tap ins don't disguise his lack of Championship ability at basically every other part of the job. |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:51 - Dec 27 with 1086 views | cockett_jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:48 - Dec 27 by Catullus |
So you think the players can go out on the pitch and ignore the manager?
yes I very much do believe a different manager could get performances out of this squad.
Football is like chess, it's tactics and execution, thinking ahead.
If a player ignores the managers instructins he can and will be subbed then ignored until he does as he's told. Martin has thrown several players under the proverbial bus this season.
Edited to ask, if a manager cannot change a clubs fortunes then why do so many sack managers and appoint new ones?
If a new manager cannot turn dross around how did Steve Cooper take Forest up? [Post edited 27 Dec 2022 18:50]
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I think there can be an overarching approach/philosophy but when it comes down to it - talent, speed/reactions, fitness, mentality and good decision making (and a bit of luck) is what wins football games. That’s very mostly on the players.
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:52 - Dec 27 with 1084 views | BryanSwan |
Another game where we play poorly and then when we change it up go 4 at the back and go a bit more direct we create some chances.
Why aren't we allowed to have a go from the start? |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:53 - Dec 27 with 1070 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:52 - Dec 27 by BryanSwan |
Another game where we play poorly and then when we change it up go 4 at the back and go a bit more direct we create some chances.
Why aren't we allowed to have a go from the start? |
Simple answer , the manager. |  | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:54 - Dec 27 with 1051 views | swan65split |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:49 - Dec 27 by Dr_Winston |
Not a very good one.
Two tap ins don't disguise his lack of Championship ability at basically every other part of the job. |
its a goal innit? who else has scored today? |  | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:54 - Dec 27 with 1051 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:51 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
I think there can be an overarching approach/philosophy but when it comes down to it - talent, speed/reactions, fitness, mentality and good decision making (and a bit of luck) is what wins football games. That’s very mostly on the players.
Do you think Chelsea and Man City’s rise over the years was primarily down to the managers? |
Do you think Man City are more likely to win the title with Guardiola in charge or Neil Warnock? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:54 - Dec 27 with 1047 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:51 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
I think there can be an overarching approach/philosophy but when it comes down to it - talent, speed/reactions, fitness, mentality and good decision making (and a bit of luck) is what wins football games. That’s very mostly on the players.
Do you think Chelsea and Man City’s rise over the years was primarily down to the managers? |
I think you will find the answer is yes....likeFergieat its...the manager prepares and sets up up the players.....to get the results....Martin has no idea how to do so | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:54 - Dec 27 with 1032 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:51 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
I think there can be an overarching approach/philosophy but when it comes down to it - talent, speed/reactions, fitness, mentality and good decision making (and a bit of luck) is what wins football games. That’s very mostly on the players.
Do you think Chelsea and Man City’s rise over the years was primarily down to the managers? |
Why didn’t we just keep Bob Bradley then? |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:54 - Dec 27 with 1043 views | Badlands |
WTF playing attacking mnded players leads to a goal!
Who' have think it?
How have we picked so many yellows and Reading so few? |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:55 - Dec 27 with 1031 views | BryanSwan |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:51 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
I think there can be an overarching approach/philosophy but when it comes down to it - talent, speed/reactions, fitness, mentality and good decision making (and a bit of luck) is what wins football games. That’s very mostly on the players.
Do you think Chelsea and Man City’s rise over the years was primarily down to the managers? |
Why did Leicester win the premier league?
They certainly didn't have better players.
Having a better quality of player improves the chance of winning, but having a quality manager to implement their ability properly is equally if not more important. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:55 - Dec 27 with 1030 views | Boundy |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:46 - Dec 27 by swan65split |
Who am I ?!!!!
Cullen, I told you a while ago theres a striker in there. |
Not slighting Cullen but I could have scored that , but good for the lad | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:57 - Dec 27 with 993 views | BryanSwan |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:55 - Dec 27 by Boundy |
Not slighting Cullen but I could have scored that , but good for the lad |
Got to be switched on and in the right place to score, drifted past a few that were standing still to get on the end of that.
Not saying he is quality, but that was good movement. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:57 - Dec 27 with 993 views | Catullus |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:51 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
I think there can be an overarching approach/philosophy but when it comes down to it - talent, speed/reactions, fitness, mentality and good decision making (and a bit of luck) is what wins football games. That’s very mostly on the players.
Do you think Chelsea and Man City’s rise over the years was primarily down to the managers? |
You are comparing apples and oranges now, both those clubs spent vast amounts on the best players AND the top rated managers.
Guardiola is the top manager right now and he was top man when Man City spent out on him.
If the owners didn't think a manager could influence the team that much, why bother having managers? Why would Man City spend millions getting Pep in?
Incidentally, pep is allegedly earning 20 million per season and has spent close on ONE BILLION quid, quite a lay out if he's not primarily responsible.
For somebody who has no bias towards Martin you are putting a good shift in defending him. A better defensive shift than Sorinola. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:57 - Dec 27 with 993 views | Boundy |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:55 - Dec 27 by BryanSwan |
Why did Leicester win the premier league?
They certainly didn't have better players.
Having a better quality of player improves the chance of winning, but having a quality manager to implement their ability properly is equally if not more important. |
They played to their strengths , fitness and swift on the break along with Vardy hitting a purple patch | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:57 - Dec 27 with 987 views | swan65split |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:55 - Dec 27 by Boundy |
Not slighting Cullen but I could have scored that , but good for the lad |
Gerd Muller didnt do a lot either,,,,,,,
Ps so could I have done .but no one else was there were they. | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:59 - Dec 27 with 970 views | cockett_jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:55 - Dec 27 by BryanSwan |
Why did Leicester win the premier league?
They certainly didn't have better players.
Having a better quality of player improves the chance of winning, but having a quality manager to implement their ability properly is equally if not more important. |
Incredibly shrewd purchases of many decent players, outstanding belief amongst the players and a bit of luck along the way. Raineri is most certainly not a good example of a manager being incredibly influential/successful! | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:59 - Dec 27 with 965 views | Boundy |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:57 - Dec 27 by BryanSwan |
Got to be switched on and in the right place to score, drifted past a few that were standing still to get on the end of that.
Not saying he is quality, but that was good movement. |
Watch it again , he was slow to react but quicker than the defender | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:00 - Dec 27 with 959 views | union_jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:51 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
I think there can be an overarching approach/philosophy but when it comes down to it - talent, speed/reactions, fitness, mentality and good decision making (and a bit of luck) is what wins football games. That’s very mostly on the players.
Do you think Chelsea and Man City’s rise over the years was primarily down to the managers? |
But if the players aren’t up to it, don’t have the ability, the manager must play a game to get the best out of them.
Martin is flogging a dead horse. |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:00 - Dec 27 with 948 views | cockett_jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:54 - Dec 27 by Dr_Winston |
Do you think Man City are more likely to win the title with Guardiola in charge or Neil Warnock? |
The fact that squad, with all that unbelievable talent, isn’t walking the league this season might suggest there’s only so much a manager can do? | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:00 - Dec 27 with 948 views | Catullus |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:59 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
Incredibly shrewd purchases of many decent players, outstanding belief amongst the players and a bit of luck along the way. Raineri is most certainly not a good example of a manager being incredibly influential/successful! |
Ranieri bought some of the players then picked the tactics and the team. No influence? | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:01 - Dec 27 with 940 views | Badlands |
Watching on Sky and had a gutful of Gabbidon excusing almost every Reading foul but exaggerating ours. | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:02 - Dec 27 with 926 views | onehunglow |
Martin and Pep in the same sentence ! | |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:02 - Dec 27 with 922 views | cockett_jack |
Be great if we could nick this. Come on city! | | | |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:04 - Dec 27 with 909 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 18:39 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
So you genuinely believe if a new manager came in he could pretty much turn around the dross on the pitch with tactics and formation changes? Football isn’t chess is it, the players should be able, themselves, to play well enough in the moment to create genuine chances, I can’t imagine they have a voice in the back of their minds telling them not to! |
I’d bet anything that even an Allardyce or a Nathan Jones would get a hell of a lot more out of this current group of players we have. The manager is squarely the problem and I’m surprised you can’t see that |  |
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| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:05 - Dec 27 with 896 views | vetchonian |
| Reading v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 2022/23 UPDATED on 19:02 - Dec 27 by cockett_jack |
Be great if we could nick this. Come on city! |
related to Russ are you? | |
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