| Nigel Farage 15:28 - May 28 with 16378 views | union_jack |
Nigel seems to be voicing the opinions of the silent majority of this country. Yes?
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| Nigel Farage on 10:17 - Jun 18 with 888 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Nigel Farage on 09:40 - Jun 18 by Wingstandwood |
The reason Tony Blair's New Labour and The Conservatives have an obvious love and desperation for mass immigration is indeed because it drives wages and employment conditions down and puts a gun to indigenous workers heads "If you don't do that 12 - 18 hour shift, a foreigner will".
In fact over 30 years back even in days way before insane mass immigration levels ITV done a 'special' about poverty wage exploitation and mentioned a catering company called ‘Ring And Brymer’.
This programme also enlightened that The Conservative Party was nowhere near as hostile to the black economy (I previously mentioned slave labour) as what many people thought.
In fact there is no better way of driving wages to rock bottom levels by using slave labour to lower wages and to impact legal employment wages and conditions also. It's is a racket! |
The reason I asked that little history question is because in the leaders debate the morons from Plaid Cymru and the snp were banging on about “depopulation” as if it were a dirty word and it triggered a memory of a speech Sturgeon gave a few years ago where she said she wanted as many people as possible to come to Scotland because it was the only way to increase the population and grow the economy.
The answer by the way was The Black Death.
The fact there were suddenly a lot less workers meant that the employers had to compete for them or there’d be no work done at all so they had to offer them more money to stop them going to work for the guy up the road. Food prices also dropped because there was a surplus = less demand. Trade boomed. Feudalism was virtually destroyed completely.
Now I’m not for a minute advocating going out and slaughtering 50% of the European population but it’s an example from history of the clear benefits of depopulation and shows that this modern economically driven dogmatic obsession with growing populations as quickly as possible to grow the economy and everyone will benefit as the wealth will trickle down bollocks is having an adverse effect on people’s lives, living standards etc. |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 10:25 - Jun 18 with 862 views | onehunglow |
| Nigel Farage on 10:17 - Jun 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The reason I asked that little history question is because in the leaders debate the morons from Plaid Cymru and the snp were banging on about “depopulation” as if it were a dirty word and it triggered a memory of a speech Sturgeon gave a few years ago where she said she wanted as many people as possible to come to Scotland because it was the only way to increase the population and grow the economy.
The answer by the way was The Black Death.
The fact there were suddenly a lot less workers meant that the employers had to compete for them or there’d be no work done at all so they had to offer them more money to stop them going to work for the guy up the road. Food prices also dropped because there was a surplus = less demand. Trade boomed. Feudalism was virtually destroyed completely.
Now I’m not for a minute advocating going out and slaughtering 50% of the European population but it’s an example from history of the clear benefits of depopulation and shows that this modern economically driven dogmatic obsession with growing populations as quickly as possible to grow the economy and everyone will benefit as the wealth will trickle down bollocks is having an adverse effect on people’s lives, living standards etc. |
Jeez. Staggering post.
I need to up my game |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 16:15 - Jun 18 with 757 views | Boundy |
| Nigel Farage on 09:06 - Jun 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
My point exactly, it’s exploitative. The government and big business love the agencies and the mass immigration of unskilled labour though. It keeps wages at rock bottom and massages the employment figures whilst giving companies all the power over them.
Here’s a little history quiz for everyone:
Q) Which catastrophic event in human history led to the single greatest rise in wages and living standards globally, especially amongst the poorer people. What can we learn from this?
Answers on a post card. |
Some nay say we need another ( conventional) | |
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| Nigel Farage on 16:26 - Jun 18 with 753 views | Dr_Winston |
It's basically a pyramid scam.
We need to get more and more investors (migrants) to join the scheme in order to support those who got in early. What happens when those brought in in turn need to be supported goes unanswered. Growth is finite, whether economic or population. There are limits to what can be supported from a numerical basis, never mind the cultural issues that will inevitably result from cramming so many incompatible mantras together.
This goes back to a point I made earlier about pension provision. If people want to be able to retire at 60 then they need to start saving for their pensions when still basically embryos in the current system. The whole thing needs a serious looking at. |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 16:37 - Jun 18 with 747 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Nigel Farage on 16:26 - Jun 18 by Dr_Winston |
It's basically a pyramid scam.
We need to get more and more investors (migrants) to join the scheme in order to support those who got in early. What happens when those brought in in turn need to be supported goes unanswered. Growth is finite, whether economic or population. There are limits to what can be supported from a numerical basis, never mind the cultural issues that will inevitably result from cramming so many incompatible mantras together.
This goes back to a point I made earlier about pension provision. If people want to be able to retire at 60 then they need to start saving for their pensions when still basically embryos in the current system. The whole thing needs a serious looking at. |
They only look short term though. They don’t give a flying rats arse about what happens in the future. As long as they can stand there every three months and say “the economy grew by 0.1% this quarter aren’t we amazing?”
The one that fries my brain is the argument that we need to import millions as we have an aging population. We could bring in three million 30 year olds today but in four short decades time there’ll be three million extra 70 year olds and we’re back to square one. Just kicking the can down the road.
They are literally only driven by economic growth, nothing else matters. But then money doesn’t matter that much in the grand scheme of things. We’ll all be dead soon. They should prioritise living standards and happiness rather than putting every morsel of their being into chasing every penny they possibly can. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 17:01 - Jun 18 with 734 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Nigel Farage on 16:37 - Jun 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They only look short term though. They don’t give a flying rats arse about what happens in the future. As long as they can stand there every three months and say “the economy grew by 0.1% this quarter aren’t we amazing?”
The one that fries my brain is the argument that we need to import millions as we have an aging population. We could bring in three million 30 year olds today but in four short decades time there’ll be three million extra 70 year olds and we’re back to square one. Just kicking the can down the road.
They are literally only driven by economic growth, nothing else matters. But then money doesn’t matter that much in the grand scheme of things. We’ll all be dead soon. They should prioritise living standards and happiness rather than putting every morsel of their being into chasing every penny they possibly can. |
Surely any sane person knows we can't have eternal growth, nit unless we find new planets to populate and the means to get there.
We live in a finite space and these corporate monsters who scream we must always have growth just condemn us to the boom and bust cycle.
We need to stop this "greed is good" malarkey and look at a sustainabe model. How can we ever hope to save our planet and keep it a fit place to live unless we are sustainable in every single way?
The current capitalist model will always reward the rich and greedy and will always keepthe najority of people "in their place" which is to serve the rich and greedy, as the rich and greedy see it obviously.
Joesus, cracking few posts there. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 17:10 - Jun 18 with 731 views | Dr_Winston |
The problem is that "capitalism" has been humanity's default setting for Millennia, and even today remains the most effective way of raising living standards across the World. At what cost it does so remains open to debate, but probably at a lower cost than every other system that we've tried above small tribe or village level. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 17:14 - Jun 18 with 728 views | Scotia |
| Nigel Farage on 17:01 - Jun 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Surely any sane person knows we can't have eternal growth, nit unless we find new planets to populate and the means to get there.
We live in a finite space and these corporate monsters who scream we must always have growth just condemn us to the boom and bust cycle.
We need to stop this "greed is good" malarkey and look at a sustainabe model. How can we ever hope to save our planet and keep it a fit place to live unless we are sustainable in every single way?
The current capitalist model will always reward the rich and greedy and will always keepthe najority of people "in their place" which is to serve the rich and greedy, as the rich and greedy see it obviously.
Joesus, cracking few posts there. |
You're right. Of course when Bill Gates said similar it was the start of the antivax conspiracies directed at him. | | | |
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| Nigel Farage on 00:05 - Jun 19 with 617 views | DJack |
| Nigel Farage on 10:17 - Jun 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The reason I asked that little history question is because in the leaders debate the morons from Plaid Cymru and the snp were banging on about “depopulation” as if it were a dirty word and it triggered a memory of a speech Sturgeon gave a few years ago where she said she wanted as many people as possible to come to Scotland because it was the only way to increase the population and grow the economy.
The answer by the way was The Black Death.
The fact there were suddenly a lot less workers meant that the employers had to compete for them or there’d be no work done at all so they had to offer them more money to stop them going to work for the guy up the road. Food prices also dropped because there was a surplus = less demand. Trade boomed. Feudalism was virtually destroyed completely.
Now I’m not for a minute advocating going out and slaughtering 50% of the European population but it’s an example from history of the clear benefits of depopulation and shows that this modern economically driven dogmatic obsession with growing populations as quickly as possible to grow the economy and everyone will benefit as the wealth will trickle down bollocks is having an adverse effect on people’s lives, living standards etc. |
It also triggered the first of the women landowners...the death of the father and son(s) meant there was no one to run the land unless they let the women take over. not sure if I remember correctly but under the laws of the time the land was supposed to be put up for sale but the crops were so important and the country was stretched for workers. |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 09:11 - Jun 19 with 565 views | controversial_jack |
| Nigel Farage on 17:10 - Jun 18 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is that "capitalism" has been humanity's default setting for Millennia, and even today remains the most effective way of raising living standards across the World. At what cost it does so remains open to debate, but probably at a lower cost than every other system that we've tried above small tribe or village level. |
No it hasn't. Capitalism was only introduced in the mid 19th century, with the repeal of the corn laws being cited as the start. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 09:19 - Jun 19 with 553 views | Scotia |
| Nigel Farage on 09:11 - Jun 19 by controversial_jack |
No it hasn't. Capitalism was only introduced in the mid 19th century, with the repeal of the corn laws being cited as the start. |
Of course it wasn't. That might be when the theory was introduced but some form of capitalism is how we've evolved in to the society we're in today over centuries.
Socialism is a long road from capitalism to capitalism. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 09:27 - Jun 19 with 546 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Nigel Farage on 09:11 - Jun 19 by controversial_jack |
No it hasn't. Capitalism was only introduced in the mid 19th century, with the repeal of the corn laws being cited as the start. |
What a silly comment. Here in wales alone we were flogging copper to the Germans and the swedes nearly four millennia ago. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 09:32 - Jun 19 with 537 views | Boundy |
| Nigel Farage on 09:11 - Jun 19 by controversial_jack |
No it hasn't. Capitalism was only introduced in the mid 19th century, with the repeal of the corn laws being cited as the start. |
I think you're referring to so called modern capitalism but capitalism as a concept can be traced back centuries before that , and it wasn't introduced but developed as an idea | |
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| Nigel Farage on 09:37 - Jun 19 with 526 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| Nigel Farage on 09:27 - Jun 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
What a silly comment. Here in wales alone we were flogging copper to the Germans and the swedes nearly four millennia ago. |
Well you should know, Joesus.
Didn’t you throw those capitalists out of the temple back in the day? | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 09:43 - Jun 19 with 506 views | controversial_jack |
| Nigel Farage on 09:27 - Jun 19 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
What a silly comment. Here in wales alone we were flogging copper to the Germans and the swedes nearly four millennia ago. |
That was trading not capitalism. They are not the same | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 10:07 - Jun 19 with 499 views | Wingstandwood |
Here is another myth i.e. all those job vacancies in the U.K that we keep on being told about? Well there is not as many as what people are falsley led to believe!
Employment agencies on many occasions advertise via Jobcentre Plus for clients to go onto their waiting list database and NOT for a ready and available job vacancy that is required to be filled a.s.a.p.
So the gist is? Often on many occasions there isn’t even a job vacancy in the first place anyhow! There are now so many employment agencies that it’s absolutely surreal, and because of the competition they have to sign up as many people as possible even when there are no available jobs to be filled.
No indivduals to contact means nobody to send to work on a construction site etc and thus signing up onto an employment agency client list should not be considered as a vacancy.
And onto Wales outside of public sector? Where are the secure and well paid jobs? Where are the major private sector employers that once employed hundreds, or thousands of people?
Where have the factories all gone? Where has secure full time permanent 40 hour employment gone when major employers like ASDA etc have the majority of its workforce on part time contracts without paid teabreaks? |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 12:06 - Jun 19 with 436 views | ExiledJack |
| Nigel Farage on 17:01 - Jun 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Surely any sane person knows we can't have eternal growth, nit unless we find new planets to populate and the means to get there.
We live in a finite space and these corporate monsters who scream we must always have growth just condemn us to the boom and bust cycle.
We need to stop this "greed is good" malarkey and look at a sustainabe model. How can we ever hope to save our planet and keep it a fit place to live unless we are sustainable in every single way?
The current capitalist model will always reward the rich and greedy and will always keepthe najority of people "in their place" which is to serve the rich and greedy, as the rich and greedy see it obviously.
Joesus, cracking few posts there. |
I broadly agree with your thoughts and certainly the contention that we should aspire towards a more sustainable model.
Debt sustainability is the issue that would make such a change, or any positive change, difficult to achieve. Not impossible, but difficult. If our debt rises faster than GDP, and crucially more so than other countries, markets will punish us by devaluing the pound and increasing the interest rate paid on our debt, in a similar manner to what we saw briefly under Liz Truss. This is where the pressure for GDP growth comes from, as the government runs a deficit every year which adds to the debt alongside the interest payments.
The CBI estimates UK GDP will grow by 1% this year. A recent auction for government debt raised new funds for 4.25%, but the collective rate paid on all debt as a % of GDP is closer to 3%. The annual fiscal deficit is estimated to be around 4% of GDP. The country either needs GDP growth, lower interest payments on its debt, or needs to shrink its deficit (austerity). The easiest way to achieve GDP growth is through immigration. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 13:34 - Jun 19 with 381 views | KeithHaynes |
| Nigel Farage on 12:06 - Jun 19 by ExiledJack |
I broadly agree with your thoughts and certainly the contention that we should aspire towards a more sustainable model.
Debt sustainability is the issue that would make such a change, or any positive change, difficult to achieve. Not impossible, but difficult. If our debt rises faster than GDP, and crucially more so than other countries, markets will punish us by devaluing the pound and increasing the interest rate paid on our debt, in a similar manner to what we saw briefly under Liz Truss. This is where the pressure for GDP growth comes from, as the government runs a deficit every year which adds to the debt alongside the interest payments.
The CBI estimates UK GDP will grow by 1% this year. A recent auction for government debt raised new funds for 4.25%, but the collective rate paid on all debt as a % of GDP is closer to 3%. The annual fiscal deficit is estimated to be around 4% of GDP. The country either needs GDP growth, lower interest payments on its debt, or needs to shrink its deficit (austerity). The easiest way to achieve GDP growth is through immigration. |
Of course, the more people the more gdp.
But what contribution are any of the 12,500 illegally coming in to the uk this year making ? To me it looks like taking. I can’t see any benefits in illegal migration, properly qualified people in medicine and other necessary areas don’t float in on boats, there is a pathway. |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 13:58 - Jun 19 with 350 views | JumpingJackFlash |
I wonder whether Reform in its current state can continue to exist as such after the election if they get around 15% of the vote?
They call themselves a political party but they’re a limited company with Farage owning over 50% of the shares. He elected himself leader without recourse to any members. Members pay a fee to join the “party” but get nothing for it. No say in leadership, no say in candidates and no say in policy. It’s basically a totalitarian organisation.
They’re registered with the electoral commission which means that they can contest elections but they are totally un democratic. | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 14:24 - Jun 19 with 314 views | Wingstandwood |
THE BIGGEST SWING VICTORY IN MODERN ELECTORAL HISTORY!
That's Farge for ya!
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| Nigel Farage on 14:33 - Jun 19 with 305 views | onehunglow |
| Nigel Farage on 14:24 - Jun 19 by Wingstandwood |
THE BIGGEST SWING VICTORY IN MODERN ELECTORAL HISTORY!
That's Farge for ya!
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Well,it shows many in England view him in. Different light to many in Wales .
He is a protest vote
He is very astute a politician
He’s probably zzmega rich too.
Pity he wasn’t in Montgomeryshire | |
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| Nigel Farage on 15:22 - Jun 19 with 279 views | howenjack |
| Nigel Farage on 10:17 - Jun 18 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The reason I asked that little history question is because in the leaders debate the morons from Plaid Cymru and the snp were banging on about “depopulation” as if it were a dirty word and it triggered a memory of a speech Sturgeon gave a few years ago where she said she wanted as many people as possible to come to Scotland because it was the only way to increase the population and grow the economy.
The answer by the way was The Black Death.
The fact there were suddenly a lot less workers meant that the employers had to compete for them or there’d be no work done at all so they had to offer them more money to stop them going to work for the guy up the road. Food prices also dropped because there was a surplus = less demand. Trade boomed. Feudalism was virtually destroyed completely.
Now I’m not for a minute advocating going out and slaughtering 50% of the European population but it’s an example from history of the clear benefits of depopulation and shows that this modern economically driven dogmatic obsession with growing populations as quickly as possible to grow the economy and everyone will benefit as the wealth will trickle down bollocks is having an adverse effect on people’s lives, living standards etc. |
 Yes ......... and culminating in the peasants ' revolt of 1381 .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt
https://www.stgregorychurchsudbury.co.uk/simon/ | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 15:47 - Jun 19 with 264 views | Boundy |
| Nigel Farage on 10:07 - Jun 19 by Wingstandwood |
Here is another myth i.e. all those job vacancies in the U.K that we keep on being told about? Well there is not as many as what people are falsley led to believe!
Employment agencies on many occasions advertise via Jobcentre Plus for clients to go onto their waiting list database and NOT for a ready and available job vacancy that is required to be filled a.s.a.p.
So the gist is? Often on many occasions there isn’t even a job vacancy in the first place anyhow! There are now so many employment agencies that it’s absolutely surreal, and because of the competition they have to sign up as many people as possible even when there are no available jobs to be filled.
No indivduals to contact means nobody to send to work on a construction site etc and thus signing up onto an employment agency client list should not be considered as a vacancy.
And onto Wales outside of public sector? Where are the secure and well paid jobs? Where are the major private sector employers that once employed hundreds, or thousands of people?
Where have the factories all gone? Where has secure full time permanent 40 hour employment gone when major employers like ASDA etc have the majority of its workforce on part time contracts without paid teabreaks? |
Swansea alone .
Llandarcy oil refinery
Ford's gear box transmission
Afon steelworks
BP chemical works
Port Tennant wagon works
Swansea tax office
Tata steel works
Morganite
Addis and there's few I've forgotten
All replaced by Amazon ,I think not | |
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| Nigel Farage on 16:01 - Jun 19 with 259 views | Dr_Winston |
Not many employers "advertise via JobcentrePlus" these days at all. As a department the emphasis has shifted firmly away from vacancy handling and job matching to benefit conditionality monitoring and employability support. We still get some stuff in, but it's a fraction of what it used to be, when one of my first jobs every day was to pull all the cards down off the board and check that the vacancy was still live on our system.
These days it's a hell of a lot easier for companies to handle their own job advertisements themselves instead of getting us to do it. Recruitment agencies too are far less numerous than they used to be. It's just the way that the labour market has changed since the inception of the internet. | |
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| Nigel Farage on 16:03 - Jun 19 with 258 views | Wingstandwood |
| Nigel Farage on 15:47 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
Swansea alone .
Llandarcy oil refinery
Ford's gear box transmission
Afon steelworks
BP chemical works
Port Tennant wagon works
Swansea tax office
Tata steel works
Morganite
Addis and there's few I've forgotten
All replaced by Amazon ,I think not |
Add to that Walkers Crisps, Signode, Dewhirst clothing, Addis, Mettoy, 3M's, Bryngwyn Steelworks, Velindre Steelworks, Toyoda Gosei, Lye Tinplate and a good few more.
The youngsters of today have very little prospects in Wales outside of the public sector, because its agency employment, part time employment and temporary employment stuff.
I spoke to a taxi driver who had applied to be an hospital porter. I thought to myself "little to no chance" of him getting it, because hundreds upon hundreds would have applied for a job that offers security and better working conditions ! | |
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