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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 22:43 - Mar 18 with 3582 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 22:39 - Mar 18 by Daley_Lama
Well played Boston, fully deserved.
It’s been a while since a Rochdale classic (Barnet away?) but we came up with a belter and Gilmour’s hung head said it all. These are in our DNA.
The second came from another slight bug-bear, we cleared the cross but because we always have 11 men in the box, nobody is ever there to compete for the cleared ball. Their defenders stay in and another evident weakness (Wealdstone at home) saw the ball pumped to the back post and unguarded player scored. This also happened from a set piece second half, cleared, pumped to the back post and Boston had 2 free players.
Third was through debutant doing a no-look back heel and Boston breaking to score.
Waller kept it at 2 in the first half - man of match for me. Hendo sub was a positive one - he had impact from 46 minute and we created 2 early chances from him Kingdon on made us more fluid. Mitchell on made us more dangerous.
The EELs/Hogan thing needs sorting either way, only one spot. Gordon when fit, Kingdon while not. Mitchell/Bird together seems like a bright idea. 2 attackers. Imaginative. Shame it took 0-3 and 75 minutes
Wish we’d try the two forwards when not in panic mode too. A 3-5-2 instead of a 3-4-3. As it was we were playing 2-1-3-4 at the end so at least we went for it.
Can only echo most of the above. The team looked terribly disjointed. East and Gilmour found themselves facing their own goal instead of having the space to move forwards with the freedom they’ve enjoyed recently. For all of that if one of those early second half chances goes in it could have been a different story. I just hope we don’t end up rueing this fixture being postponed in January. The only good news was that Alty, Gateshead and Halifax all contrived to lose at home as well. Bizarre really. And where were the ball boys?
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 23:03 - Mar 18 with 3400 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 22:39 - Mar 18 by Daley_Lama
Well played Boston, fully deserved.
It’s been a while since a Rochdale classic (Barnet away?) but we came up with a belter and Gilmour’s hung head said it all. These are in our DNA.
The second came from another slight bug-bear, we cleared the cross but because we always have 11 men in the box, nobody is ever there to compete for the cleared ball. Their defenders stay in and another evident weakness (Wealdstone at home) saw the ball pumped to the back post and unguarded player scored. This also happened from a set piece second half, cleared, pumped to the back post and Boston had 2 free players.
Third was through debutant doing a no-look back heel and Boston breaking to score.
Waller kept it at 2 in the first half - man of match for me. Hendo sub was a positive one - he had impact from 46 minute and we created 2 early chances from him Kingdon on made us more fluid. Mitchell on made us more dangerous.
The EELs/Hogan thing needs sorting either way, only one spot. Gordon when fit, Kingdon while not. Mitchell/Bird together seems like a bright idea. 2 attackers. Imaginative. Shame it took 0-3 and 75 minutes
Yes, we've seen those first two goals plenty of times. Fancy trying to play one touch football around your own penalty area when you know that the pitch has imploded. Why would you even try it? The second one is just basic stuff, Fondop scored a identical goal for Oldham against us a few weeks ago, unmarked at the back post. The manager and his assistant need to take responsibility for this it's just commonsense defending.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 23:15 - Mar 18 with 3317 views
Boston completely deserved the win. Managerially, Jim had his pants pulled down by Graham Coughlan tonight. The plain to see repeated errors have already been spoken of on this thread, and others throughout the season. When we are attacking and imaginative, we can beat anyone. When we are the same old same old "Jim's coaching manual" Dale, we're uninteresting to watch, lightweight, obvious and ineffectual. The lessons that need to be learned were forgotten today.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 23:20 - Mar 18 with 3287 views
It's really all so dispiriting, that our manager can't see beyond EEL's apparent qualities off the pitch (he's waxed lyrical about his communication skills...) and upsets what was becoming our applecart to success to bring him back
EEL isn't good enough to get into the defence that'd been established. Kingdon and Hogan have every right to be pissed off at that decision, let alone the fans
Just poor management, no more, no less, and that will remain true whatever happens from hereon in
Looks like McNulty is blaming the Boston "Dark arts" time wasting and the Ref for allowing them to continue to fiegn injuries and tie laces etc etc......and then blowing up early! (he has a point but we would probably do likewise)
Nowt to do with team selection.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 23:59 - Mar 18 with 3149 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 23:50 - Mar 18 by Yorkshire_Dale
Looks like McNulty is blaming the Boston "Dark arts" time wasting and the Ref for allowing them to continue to fiegn injuries and tie laces etc etc......and then blowing up early! (he has a point but we would probably do likewise)
Nowt to do with team selection.
Don’t think there was any blame attached to the things he pointed that were out of our control - something he noted. It wasn’t the reason we lost, just an annoyance.
He said about how poorly we defended and explained his reasoning for leaving Kingdon out. We don’t have to agree with it, I certainly don’t because of the knock on impact on the team, but he said why Kingdon was on the bench.
Now, why the interviewer didn’t ask about how he thought those changes affected the team is a whole other conversation.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 23:20 - Mar 18 by D_Alien
It's really all so dispiriting, that our manager can't see beyond EEL's apparent qualities off the pitch (he's waxed lyrical about his communication skills...) and upsets what was becoming our applecart to success to bring him back
EEL isn't good enough to get into the defence that'd been established. Kingdon and Hogan have every right to be pissed off at that decision, let alone the fans
Just poor management, no more, no less, and that will remain true whatever happens from hereon in
[Post edited 18 Mar 23:21]
The irony is that it was a lack of communication that led to the second goal. Two players going for the same ball before the cross came in, followed by Gilmour trying to frantically position himself in front of the Boston player at the back post. No defending that, metaphorically or literally.
As for the first goal, I knew it would spark recrimination for “pissing about at the back.” It’s frustrating because we’d been doing this confidently and effectively since the Tamworth game, even under pressure. Here, it was poorly executed and cost us a goal— Gilmour again, unfortunately.
The third goal was a slight variation of another major weakness we’re prone to: turning the ball over from our own attack, whether from a set piece or too much passing around the edge of the opposition's penalty area. This often leads to an easy counter, and, more often than not, a shot or goal. We really need another midfielder in the squad to help prevent this (as Weston isn’t fancied), or at least leave two men back. In this instance, a bit of showboating led to the turnover, but the result was the same — a stroll into the box and an easy finish with the player’s "wrong foot."
These flaws were, of course, made worse by the changes to the backline and the resulting knock-on effect on other areas of the pitch. This allowed Boston to control key areas when it mattered most and execute their own game plan.
The absolute carnage we caused in the final 15 minutes shows what a change of system could do if employed earlier in the game. Incisive attacking, rather than being patient, could make us less one-dimensional. When we are one-dimensional, we absolutely need to be at our best (with the right personnel) to get a result. Last night we weren’t.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 06:27 - Mar 19 by fitzochris
The irony is that it was a lack of communication that led to the second goal. Two players going for the same ball before the cross came in, followed by Gilmour trying to frantically position himself in front of the Boston player at the back post. No defending that, metaphorically or literally.
As for the first goal, I knew it would spark recrimination for “pissing about at the back.” It’s frustrating because we’d been doing this confidently and effectively since the Tamworth game, even under pressure. Here, it was poorly executed and cost us a goal— Gilmour again, unfortunately.
The third goal was a slight variation of another major weakness we’re prone to: turning the ball over from our own attack, whether from a set piece or too much passing around the edge of the opposition's penalty area. This often leads to an easy counter, and, more often than not, a shot or goal. We really need another midfielder in the squad to help prevent this (as Weston isn’t fancied), or at least leave two men back. In this instance, a bit of showboating led to the turnover, but the result was the same — a stroll into the box and an easy finish with the player’s "wrong foot."
These flaws were, of course, made worse by the changes to the backline and the resulting knock-on effect on other areas of the pitch. This allowed Boston to control key areas when it mattered most and execute their own game plan.
The absolute carnage we caused in the final 15 minutes shows what a change of system could do if employed earlier in the game. Incisive attacking, rather than being patient, could make us less one-dimensional. When we are one-dimensional, we absolutely need to be at our best (with the right personnel) to get a result. Last night we weren’t.
Contrary to what McNulty is suggesting in his post match interview the first two goals we conceded are in our DNA and we've seen them plenty of times. Gilmore receiving the ball centrally in front of his goal on a cabbage patch of a pitch is just asking for trouble and we got what we deserved.Thats just lacking in commonsense. Invariably he pings that ball first time out to a player in the right back position so I'm not sure what it really achieves. It's fraught with danger and it's not as though we've played through them by employing that phase of play. We've conceded several times now with the same tactic. Loads of risk with very little reward.
The second goal is also one that is a staple diet...we clear the initial ball out wide and then fail to cut out the next phase of play and leave a free man near the back post to score unmarked, we did it with Fondop against Oldham. Defenders walking out and not switched on to deal with the cross.
McNulty was out smarted last night, Boston played over the top of our defensive high line and exploited EEL and his lack of pace. We dropped deeper and they pushed up on us. The defensive uncertainty is here to stay now and EELs inclusion also affects the way we progress up the pitch, hes been given the baton again and he'll be conducting the orchestra from the halfway line. McNulty will look on it as 'control' but instead it just kills all momentum in our performance and also the atmosphere in the stadium. It also gives our opponents time to reset and everybody on the pitch is playing statues, the game stops. That's not how football should be played
We're back to square one now and that tactic of a big cumbersome centre half standing with the ball and looking to spray 40 yard passes out wide and thread a killer ball to the forwards has returned with a vengeance. Last night convinced me that we need a new manager and it's not just because we lost, he yet again reverted to type as soon as he got EEL back in the team and i'm sick to death of watching it. I also think that there's a degree of nepotism involved when it comes to EELs inclusion in the team, hes the complete opposite of how we try to play our football, everybody can see that, the fans aren't stupid. We've progressed as a team since EELs injury, our defensive record this season tells you that. He's now a squad player, we have better options.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 07:30 - Mar 19 with 2748 views
JM should be looking to loan EEL out and not have him start a match that proved quite clearly for all to see he isnt fit enough or good enough for a quick passing game...
Also just hope that JM does not have him in his plans for the semi or even the ginal should Dale get there.
Time to move him on in the summer by making him available to clubs....
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 08:07 - Mar 19 with 2624 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 07:30 - Mar 19 by Duckegg
JM should be looking to loan EEL out and not have him start a match that proved quite clearly for all to see he isnt fit enough or good enough for a quick passing game...
Also just hope that JM does not have him in his plans for the semi or even the ginal should Dale get there.
Time to move him on in the summer by making him available to clubs....
Ain't gonna happen
Didn't he sign a contract extension at the start of the season?
He's "Jim's man" and nothing speaks louder than destroying a formula for success which the fans were really warming to than to shoehorn him back in
I mentioned Kingdon and Hogan having every right to feel put out about it, but the most annoyed might be Gilmour - not just finding himself having to play deeper and getting put in the shit but also loss of captaincy status that was helping galvanise him and the whole team
That's what the fans were booing. Nothing personal even though it might've sounded like it. I think JM is likely to double-down on his obstinacy about EEL
2 things. That Beckwith,Hogan,Kingdon defensive 3 has been a revelation this past month and now EEL is back Jim has disrupted it all trying to rush a player back who's clearly not ready. Also as much as we all love East - if he has had a serious medical emergency last Saturday should he have been playing so soon? He certainly didn't look himself last night and he was subbed off which I cant remember happening too often when he plays?
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Defending to me is as much about communication as anything else. Teams with good defences try to stick with the same player in positions, so they can buildup and understanding. Players get to know the strengths and weaknesses of their colleagues and compensate and play to those strengths. With solidity comes confidence, and players thrive on it - allowing them to be better ball players. You can get away with more when your on your game, you know your mate will cover you. Putting EEL back in drove a coach and horses through that.
I wouldn’t mind the overplaying at the back, it can draw the opposition and create space. But it has to be high tempo, ideally one touch passing, the moment you introduce a player who is slower on the ball EEL or, give the ball to a player facing their own goal, there have to be more touches or a risky lay off - Gilmour last night. If you don’t have the players, don’t try it.
The other frustration for me is how we take more risk at the back than we do in the final third. The phrase is recycling the ball, which actually means stopping going forward and run away from the opposition. It’s not a positive. Dale players don’t seem to be encouraged to attack space, they are attracted to the ball. It’s a shame because we have Hendo in the squad, who even at 40 seems to have more space on the ball than Mitchell.
And finally, shooting. We don’t seem to have players, except for Bird, with a shot on them, it’s all placement, with no power.
This is a poor league, Barnet aside, with better coaching, selection and recruitment we could be so much better placed.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 10:20 - Mar 19 with 2323 views
The Lowlights. 2 decent assists from Mitchell though and 2 great finishes. The less said about Boston's first 2 goals the better. Also an hilarious throw in from Boston's number 9 early on when Waller spills the shot - how was that not a foul throw!!!
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Jim was completely outthought last night. Coughlan had them tearing into us right from the start, pressing high and breaking fast on the ball. We cannot match for speed of attack but we can pass quicker moving forward.
3 things stood out to me.
Firstly why revert to a lone striker? It has not worked all season, and is placing too much reliance on Bird, who has made a dream start but needs help up front. I,m not convinced that Jim was even bringing Hendo on so early until he saw Bird was still limping after the break. What a difference it made and with Mitchell added they were overwhelmed. All 3 contributed to the goals. Boston looked pretty exhausted by then, but for a part-time team playing far from home midweek, they could just defend for a result. It helps a little when you are 3-0 up.
Secondly for sure why break up a back line that has performed so well so far? I don`t accept for a minute what Jim says about Kingdon needing a break. He wanted EEL back, and I agree with others who said he wasn`t ready. He is slow but then so is Hogan. The combination was not good. Crazy to change things.
Finally what was going on with the corners- I counted 11, all, I think taken by East and all aimed at the near post area. No variety. Surely in training they try different things.
One plaudit. I admired the effort and attacking intent of the new boy. He had a tough debut but was responsible for getting most of the corners in battling with the fullback.
Jim -the Oldham and Boston results have cost us 5 points. Blaming the referee for this one doesn`t cut it. It`s time you admitted when you got it wrong. The fans know where the blame lies. Lets try attacking early, Control isn`t everything. Boston didn`t have control in midfield.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 15:28 - Mar 19 with 1895 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 15:09 - Mar 19 by samueloneils
Jim was completely outthought last night. Coughlan had them tearing into us right from the start, pressing high and breaking fast on the ball. We cannot match for speed of attack but we can pass quicker moving forward.
3 things stood out to me.
Firstly why revert to a lone striker? It has not worked all season, and is placing too much reliance on Bird, who has made a dream start but needs help up front. I,m not convinced that Jim was even bringing Hendo on so early until he saw Bird was still limping after the break. What a difference it made and with Mitchell added they were overwhelmed. All 3 contributed to the goals. Boston looked pretty exhausted by then, but for a part-time team playing far from home midweek, they could just defend for a result. It helps a little when you are 3-0 up.
Secondly for sure why break up a back line that has performed so well so far? I don`t accept for a minute what Jim says about Kingdon needing a break. He wanted EEL back, and I agree with others who said he wasn`t ready. He is slow but then so is Hogan. The combination was not good. Crazy to change things.
Finally what was going on with the corners- I counted 11, all, I think taken by East and all aimed at the near post area. No variety. Surely in training they try different things.
One plaudit. I admired the effort and attacking intent of the new boy. He had a tough debut but was responsible for getting most of the corners in battling with the fullback.
Jim -the Oldham and Boston results have cost us 5 points. Blaming the referee for this one doesn`t cut it. It`s time you admitted when you got it wrong. The fans know where the blame lies. Lets try attacking early, Control isn`t everything. Boston didn`t have control in midfield.
I think we had 18 corners - certainly the commentators went past 15 as East was replaced. Some feat to get that many corners and struggle to make a way through. Boston defended well and broke quickly when we had pushed forward.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 17:56 - Mar 19 with 1713 views
EEL did play some nice passes last night. But the risk of upsetting the equilibrium was not worth the rate of return and therefore the selection wasn’t justified, regardless of fears about an aerial bombardment. Contrary to some others I think he is better than Ferguson and therefore strengthens the bench. He is a replacement for an injured Hogan right now, no more. Crossed fingers it’s lesson learned but I doubt it. With East I suspect from the comments about his episode that he was never going to last 90 minutes last night. However if I am right he should be good for Saturday. In any case I wish him well More drama yet to unfold this and next month. We control our own destiny. I would think Gateshead and Alty supporters are more worried than ourselves right now. UTD
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 18:37 - Mar 19 with 1613 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 08:07 - Mar 19 by D_Alien
Ain't gonna happen
Didn't he sign a contract extension at the start of the season?
He's "Jim's man" and nothing speaks louder than destroying a formula for success which the fans were really warming to than to shoehorn him back in
I mentioned Kingdon and Hogan having every right to feel put out about it, but the most annoyed might be Gilmour - not just finding himself having to play deeper and getting put in the shit but also loss of captaincy status that was helping galvanise him and the whole team
That's what the fans were booing. Nothing personal even though it might've sounded like it. I think JM is likely to double-down on his obstinacy about EEL
Unbelievable, Jim
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Gilmour wasn’t playing any deeper. The midfield structure or how we built play didn’t change. The limitations of a returning EEL and the construction of the back three being affected was the issue.
If anything, we created more chances last night than against Oldham. The errors made in selection were compounded by Boston being significantly better than Latics were on Saturday.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 15:09 - Mar 19 by samueloneils
Jim was completely outthought last night. Coughlan had them tearing into us right from the start, pressing high and breaking fast on the ball. We cannot match for speed of attack but we can pass quicker moving forward.
3 things stood out to me.
Firstly why revert to a lone striker? It has not worked all season, and is placing too much reliance on Bird, who has made a dream start but needs help up front. I,m not convinced that Jim was even bringing Hendo on so early until he saw Bird was still limping after the break. What a difference it made and with Mitchell added they were overwhelmed. All 3 contributed to the goals. Boston looked pretty exhausted by then, but for a part-time team playing far from home midweek, they could just defend for a result. It helps a little when you are 3-0 up.
Secondly for sure why break up a back line that has performed so well so far? I don`t accept for a minute what Jim says about Kingdon needing a break. He wanted EEL back, and I agree with others who said he wasn`t ready. He is slow but then so is Hogan. The combination was not good. Crazy to change things.
Finally what was going on with the corners- I counted 11, all, I think taken by East and all aimed at the near post area. No variety. Surely in training they try different things.
One plaudit. I admired the effort and attacking intent of the new boy. He had a tough debut but was responsible for getting most of the corners in battling with the fullback.
Jim -the Oldham and Boston results have cost us 5 points. Blaming the referee for this one doesn`t cut it. It`s time you admitted when you got it wrong. The fans know where the blame lies. Lets try attacking early, Control isn`t everything. Boston didn`t have control in midfield.
We didn’t revert to a lone striker. We played the same formation as we always do, though that was finally changed late in the game for once.
Even on Saturday when Mitchell and Bird both started, the latter was playing to the left in the same role Allarakhia was deployed last night. It was noted in the Sandy during the first half that Allarakhia has never really made an impact in that position, his most effective games come when he’s out wide.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 17:56 - Mar 19 by jonahwhereru
EEL did play some nice passes last night. But the risk of upsetting the equilibrium was not worth the rate of return and therefore the selection wasn’t justified, regardless of fears about an aerial bombardment. Contrary to some others I think he is better than Ferguson and therefore strengthens the bench. He is a replacement for an injured Hogan right now, no more. Crossed fingers it’s lesson learned but I doubt it. With East I suspect from the comments about his episode that he was never going to last 90 minutes last night. However if I am right he should be good for Saturday. In any case I wish him well More drama yet to unfold this and next month. We control our own destiny. I would think Gateshead and Alty supporters are more worried than ourselves right now. UTD
You're correct upon two counts Jonah, EEL isn't as good as Hogan nor Beckwith for that matter he's a bench back up for both at best, as far as Big Jim "learning lessons" he doesn't do that lesson leaning stuff, he'll dig his heels in now and play EEL until he's proven right or more than likely see us miss out on winning the FA Trophy and promotion, then he'll be in denial blaming the pitch, the ref, the opposition dark arts as usual !
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Boston United on 17:17 - Mar 20 with 869 views
I distinctly remember being sent on a supply chain management course once. No idea why—SCM isn’t my thing. I suspect they just wanted us to appreciate how mind-bendingly complex it is. Mission accomplished. I left thinking, I never want to work in SCM.
The lecturer, a wily Irishman, kept repeating “the dichotomy”—this dichotomy, that dichotomy. At some point, I thought to myself, this is about as useful as calling something “a microcosm of life.” Completely pointless.
Which brings me to EEL—thought he slowed the game down, but his distribution was spot on. Will he get quicker? Was his accuracy a fluke? Can the keeper pull off what he did? Bit of a dichotomy for James…
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