| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread 15:41 - Oct 6 with 54038 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
How about a match thread for this one?
There will be some tinkering this weekend with Oliver Whatmuff off to Spain with the England youngsters. I guess/hope he will be back for the home game against Yeovil on 18th Oct. So the cup match is timely in respect of our League progress.
Apart from that, will there be far more tinkering to rest players as we pass the quarter mark of a so far very successful season? |  | | |  |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:09 - Oct 11 with 4069 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:01 - Oct 11 by TalkingSutty |
A worldy of a goal and a keepers error won it. To be fair York were the better team and made the clear cut chances. We created very little. Not a bad performance though but after equalising we dropped the momentum instead of keeping up the intensity. Route one seemed to unsettle them, we couldnt play through them. [Post edited 11 Oct 18:36]
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Although the chances York created in the first half came from our defensive errors; Beckwith with the first and I think it was EEL for the second. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:13 - Oct 11 with 4034 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:59 - Oct 11 by 49thseason |
If that's what York do regularly, good luck to them but I wouldnt pay to watch. Aided and abetted by a very poor referee and linesmen, the play-acting as though shot was pathetic... having said that Rochdale were utterly clueless for 45 minutes not knowing when to press and when to stand off them and then having had a half time to regroup, allowing Newby space to do what he is relatively good at .. shooting from 20 yards.. twice! You might have thought they would have learned a lesson after the first one.... but alas no..
The changes after the regulation 70 minutes were too little too late. I'm not sure what " moments" Jim will pick out, unless he won the half time draw, it was at times ponderous, occasionally it was comical and generally reminded me of the joke about the bloke who worked at the sewage farm but didnt really enjoy his job and was just going through the motions...I dont think anyone had a bad game but too many were not at their best and it felt like they didnt fancy a cup run...so job done....there will need to be a serious improvement if we are to remain contenders for the main prize |
The changes clearly weren’t too little too late as it changed the game in our favour. The subsequent change saw them gain advantage again.
On any ‘play-acting’, we can’t complain after our two previous away games when the keeper has gone down. Something noticed by both sets of home commentary teams.
York did to us today what we did at Carlisle and Forest Green - a professional, deserved win. Right now, on games seen, they’d be our main rivals until the Linney/Conn-clarke show proves to be enough to make up for the obvious deficiencies elsewhere in Carlisl’s side. [Post edited 11 Oct 18:14]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:26 - Oct 11 with 3908 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 17:58 - Oct 11 by tony_roch975 |
They're not employed to entertain the opponents' fans - in the end they did a job on us in terms of formation, frustration and energy. Never seen Newby as a wing back but he did a superb job defensively, limiting our usually dominant right side as well as scoring their goals. More worrying is that our problems were evident from ko but nothing was done about it until after we went behind. |
On the subject of wingbacks, we just didn’t offer enough to worry York today. Not sure Berkoe is the answer in home games as when he gets pinned back he becomes a left back (have seen some comments about ‘Rochdale’s back five). TS posted earlier about using him away, especially in the games against top sides, but Allarakhia provides more problems for the opposition to think about. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:41 - Oct 11 with 3782 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:09 - Oct 11 by TVOS1907 |
Although the chances York created in the first half came from our defensive errors; Beckwith with the first and I think it was EEL for the second. |
Harrassed our defenders and forced us into errors at the back, good forward play, they should have scored more in the second half. Had our keeper not made the error at the end he was our best player i thought. York deserved to win the game i thought, as the home team we didn't create enough. |  | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:56 - Oct 11 with 3677 views | TVOS1907 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:41 - Oct 11 by TalkingSutty |
Harrassed our defenders and forced us into errors at the back, good forward play, they should have scored more in the second half. Had our keeper not made the error at the end he was our best player i thought. York deserved to win the game i thought, as the home team we didn't create enough. |
Yes, I'd agree with that.
To me it looked like both sets of players didn't want to be playing each other. Probably a misconception, but that was my impression. I imagine we'll see a different game in the league next month.
Might be time to do some more ground-hopping on first round day! | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 19:04 - Oct 11 with 3611 views | NorthernDale |
I will give credit ti McNulty he picked a strong team, but the team as others have suggested lack urgency for most of the game. The first half was like a pre-season game, with sides showing no urgency at all. The second half was better and to be honest York look a good attacking team and Newby's first goal was exceptional, his attempt to provoke the fans afterwards was in bad taste.
The subs introduced by the Dale improved the performance, but as others have implied it was to late in the game. Overall the performance was lacklustre in that we seemed to lack passion, appeared disjointed and casual, as if the game was not important. Yes, the league is far more important and I can understand taking Mani, Rodney and Barlow off to save them for next week game against Yeovil, but we could have earned a nice money earner against Bradford or Oldham for example. But as I have mentioned, York played well and defended with determination towards the end, so I hope they get a good tie in the first round and we can now focus on the league. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 19:17 - Oct 11 with 3509 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 18:56 - Oct 11 by TVOS1907 |
Yes, I'd agree with that.
To me it looked like both sets of players didn't want to be playing each other. Probably a misconception, but that was my impression. I imagine we'll see a different game in the league next month.
Might be time to do some more ground-hopping on first round day! |
My exacts thoughts also. I think McNulty and the coaches will take a lot out of that game when they watch it back. Varying our play by going long at times was something that i think we missed. We didn't turn their defenders enough and we missed Allarakhia out wide. We were too predictable i thought. Fine margins though, on another day Newby sky's the first goal out of the stadium and the keeper drops on the second one. Yeovil at home next week was always going to be the bigger game i think. [Post edited 11 Oct 19:19]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 19:29 - Oct 11 with 3462 views | robshaker |
are u still in the trophy? u always got that.. like last season when u was expecting a Wembley day out.. season before u treated it with utter contempt. | | | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:11 - Oct 11 with 3291 views | Alan_ADale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 19:29 - Oct 11 by robshaker |
are u still in the trophy? u always got that.. like last season when u was expecting a Wembley day out.. season before u treated it with utter contempt. |
your bury cheats sent an under 21 team to play in that competition. lost 7-0. utter contempt beyond belief you hypocrite. |  | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:49 - Oct 11 with 3150 views | Clivert |
I'd take defeat today and 4 points off York in the league.
York are the best team that we've played so far and will be there or there abouts in May, we have a extra weekend of rest now don't we at the start of November?
3points against Yeovil next week and 3 points closer to that 100 points target is the priority. [Post edited 11 Oct 21:21]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:53 - Oct 11 with 3118 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:49 - Oct 11 by Clivert |
I'd take defeat today and 4 points off York in the league.
York are the best team that we've played so far and will be there or there abouts in May, we have a extra weekend of rest now don't we at the start of November?
3points against Yeovil next week and 3 points closer to that 100 points target is the priority. [Post edited 11 Oct 21:21]
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Yep, we’ll have a free weekend on the 1st, three days before the home game with Scunthorpe who’ll be playing in the Cup on the Saturday. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 23:24 - Oct 11 with 2755 views | Sandyman |
Moving on from today...
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 23:25 - Oct 11 with 2768 views | mikehunt |
After we had equalised I thought the game could have gone either way. Just a poor way to lose it really but at least it prevented a replay.
Similar scenario to the Spennymoor game where neither team wanted to lay a glove on each other during the first half and chucked the game away in the second half after decent substitutions enabled us to claw our way back into contention.
Never mind we'll have 'em in the league. Nowt to fear. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 23:54 - Oct 11 with 2733 views | robshaker |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 20:11 - Oct 11 by Alan_ADale |
your bury cheats sent an under 21 team to play in that competition. lost 7-0. utter contempt beyond belief you hypocrite. |
that was a response not contempt.
big difference. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 06:15 - Oct 12 with 2545 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 23:25 - Oct 11 by mikehunt |
After we had equalised I thought the game could have gone either way. Just a poor way to lose it really but at least it prevented a replay.
Similar scenario to the Spennymoor game where neither team wanted to lay a glove on each other during the first half and chucked the game away in the second half after decent substitutions enabled us to claw our way back into contention.
Never mind we'll have 'em in the league. Nowt to fear. |
I think the manager and his coaches got too wrapped up in trying to nullify York's strengths rather than imposing ours on them. We are the home team and top of the league on merit after recently disposing of Carlisle and FGR. Overthinking the game and trying to turn it into a tactical game of chess when it wasn"t needed, he enjoys doing that but it's as dull as dishwater to watch..and we normally lose when we play that way at a slow tempo. Then when we started having a go at them in the second half they suddenly looked vulnerable. We equalise and then go back to trying to manage the game again, let our opponents off the hook and lose the game. Surrendered the momentum and substituted the leading goalscorer in the league when we needed a late winner, why would a manager do that?
Trying to overplay it at the back put us under pressure and they missed two great chances as a result in the first half. You can't do that against good teams, clear your lines. So yes, shades of some of last seasons displays yesterday, i think it's a fear factor and a coaching team who need to trust their own players and stop over analysing the opposition. McNulty's interview summed it up, he seemed more interested in talking about Yorks strengths rather than ours and if you didn't know the score you would have thought we had won. He emphasises that both their goals came from outside the box as though they don't count. There's a lesson to be learned there, have a shot and see what happens. Anyway, maybe he and his coaches can take positives from the game to make us better next time we meet, at least it wasn't a walk over like the last time we played them at Spotland. Trust your players Jim and let them play. The post match interview of York's manager is very interesting, it sounds as though they had our number tactically throughout the game....not sure if somebody can post it?.
Time to concentrate on the league now and extend the points gap at the top. Two league games only in the next three and a half weeks, so players being fatigued wont be a issue. I think yesterdays loss will fuel the players and increase their hunger in our upcoming league games now. [Post edited 12 Oct 8:10]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:05 - Oct 12 with 2283 views | tony_roch975 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 06:15 - Oct 12 by TalkingSutty |
I think the manager and his coaches got too wrapped up in trying to nullify York's strengths rather than imposing ours on them. We are the home team and top of the league on merit after recently disposing of Carlisle and FGR. Overthinking the game and trying to turn it into a tactical game of chess when it wasn"t needed, he enjoys doing that but it's as dull as dishwater to watch..and we normally lose when we play that way at a slow tempo. Then when we started having a go at them in the second half they suddenly looked vulnerable. We equalise and then go back to trying to manage the game again, let our opponents off the hook and lose the game. Surrendered the momentum and substituted the leading goalscorer in the league when we needed a late winner, why would a manager do that?
Trying to overplay it at the back put us under pressure and they missed two great chances as a result in the first half. You can't do that against good teams, clear your lines. So yes, shades of some of last seasons displays yesterday, i think it's a fear factor and a coaching team who need to trust their own players and stop over analysing the opposition. McNulty's interview summed it up, he seemed more interested in talking about Yorks strengths rather than ours and if you didn't know the score you would have thought we had won. He emphasises that both their goals came from outside the box as though they don't count. There's a lesson to be learned there, have a shot and see what happens. Anyway, maybe he and his coaches can take positives from the game to make us better next time we meet, at least it wasn't a walk over like the last time we played them at Spotland. Trust your players Jim and let them play. The post match interview of York's manager is very interesting, it sounds as though they had our number tactically throughout the game....not sure if somebody can post it?.
Time to concentrate on the league now and extend the points gap at the top. Two league games only in the next three and a half weeks, so players being fatigued wont be a issue. I think yesterdays loss will fuel the players and increase their hunger in our upcoming league games now. [Post edited 12 Oct 8:10]
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Don't think you're giving York enough credit. They put us under pressure and at any level that leads to rushed decisions and mistakes - thus those first half chances. We were off the pace from the start.
As their manager said, Newby defensively was excellent stopping TARR's threat. It's true we didn't change our pressing tactic when they slowed the game down nor did we sort the spare defender issue between Beckwith & Bercoe - which contributed to Bercoe being less attacking as others have noted. We needed Rodney & Barlow deeper to pull about their defences which would also create the space to go long to Mani D.
Agree we didn't attempt shots from outside the box (bar one from East) which in the end won the game for York.
Most worrying is that we did nothing about all those issues until we went behind. | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:12 - Oct 12 with 2272 views | frenzied |
I was disappointed that we went out so lamely.
The principle of “we can now concentrate on the league “doesn’t wash for me.
We could easily implode in our league games ..it’s far too early in the season to assume anything…for teams at the top of the prem who have a ridiculous number of European games and international games with all the travelling involved I can understand them rolling over to some degree in the fa and league cup .
We have a big enough squad to compete effectively in all competitions..I hope they have a better focus for the fa trophy | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:12 - Oct 12 with 2269 views | D_Alien |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 06:15 - Oct 12 by TalkingSutty |
I think the manager and his coaches got too wrapped up in trying to nullify York's strengths rather than imposing ours on them. We are the home team and top of the league on merit after recently disposing of Carlisle and FGR. Overthinking the game and trying to turn it into a tactical game of chess when it wasn"t needed, he enjoys doing that but it's as dull as dishwater to watch..and we normally lose when we play that way at a slow tempo. Then when we started having a go at them in the second half they suddenly looked vulnerable. We equalise and then go back to trying to manage the game again, let our opponents off the hook and lose the game. Surrendered the momentum and substituted the leading goalscorer in the league when we needed a late winner, why would a manager do that?
Trying to overplay it at the back put us under pressure and they missed two great chances as a result in the first half. You can't do that against good teams, clear your lines. So yes, shades of some of last seasons displays yesterday, i think it's a fear factor and a coaching team who need to trust their own players and stop over analysing the opposition. McNulty's interview summed it up, he seemed more interested in talking about Yorks strengths rather than ours and if you didn't know the score you would have thought we had won. He emphasises that both their goals came from outside the box as though they don't count. There's a lesson to be learned there, have a shot and see what happens. Anyway, maybe he and his coaches can take positives from the game to make us better next time we meet, at least it wasn't a walk over like the last time we played them at Spotland. Trust your players Jim and let them play. The post match interview of York's manager is very interesting, it sounds as though they had our number tactically throughout the game....not sure if somebody can post it?.
Time to concentrate on the league now and extend the points gap at the top. Two league games only in the next three and a half weeks, so players being fatigued wont be a issue. I think yesterdays loss will fuel the players and increase their hunger in our upcoming league games now. [Post edited 12 Oct 8:10]
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There's many a Daley who's stopped thinking "lessons to be learnt" because it ain't happening
We're top of the league on merit by playing to our strengths, any other strategy is just bollox from now on. McNulty, as head coach, has picked great support coaches and it shows. He has the final say though, and that shows too
Just hope the influence of Done/Taylor becomes the default when it really matters. We'll see if McNulty can at least learn that, against his natural instinct of overcaution and too much respect for the opposition [Post edited 12 Oct 9:15]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:24 - Oct 12 with 2194 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:12 - Oct 12 by D_Alien |
There's many a Daley who's stopped thinking "lessons to be learnt" because it ain't happening
We're top of the league on merit by playing to our strengths, any other strategy is just bollox from now on. McNulty, as head coach, has picked great support coaches and it shows. He has the final say though, and that shows too
Just hope the influence of Done/Taylor becomes the default when it really matters. We'll see if McNulty can at least learn that, against his natural instinct of overcaution and too much respect for the opposition [Post edited 12 Oct 9:15]
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McNulty's summary of the game in relation to Yorks managers is very different. York's manager thought they controlled the game for most of it, carried more threat and should have been two goals up at half time. I agree with him. [Post edited 12 Oct 9:24]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:32 - Oct 12 with 2175 views | 442Dale |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:24 - Oct 12 by TalkingSutty |
McNulty's summary of the game in relation to Yorks managers is very different. York's manager thought they controlled the game for most of it, carried more threat and should have been two goals up at half time. I agree with him. [Post edited 12 Oct 9:24]
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I’d agree with their manager too. Thought they looked a really well coached team who all knew their roles.
I didn’t go to Forest Green so can only go off the radio commentary there, but would it be fair to say York did similar to what we did last week with respects to controlling the game?
York’s ability to slow the game down to actually stopping with the ball seemed to confuse us (and some fans who called for the keeper to be penalised for standing there with the ball at his feet!). The second half changes then confused them! | |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:32 - Oct 12 with 2174 views | EllDale |
As an aside, Oli Whatmuff started for England under 19s against Belgium in Marbella yesterday. They won 4-1. | | | |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:42 - Oct 12 with 2140 views | fitzochris |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:32 - Oct 12 by 442Dale |
I’d agree with their manager too. Thought they looked a really well coached team who all knew their roles.
I didn’t go to Forest Green so can only go off the radio commentary there, but would it be fair to say York did similar to what we did last week with respects to controlling the game?
York’s ability to slow the game down to actually stopping with the ball seemed to confuse us (and some fans who called for the keeper to be penalised for standing there with the ball at his feet!). The second half changes then confused them! |
I watched the FGR game last week and it is absolutely fair to say that's what we did to them - in the second half, especially. I believe the kids call it "shithousery". It frustrated them, stopped them playing, and won us the game, no question. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:53 - Oct 12 with 2099 views | Daley_Lama |
Has Nebwy got some beef with Dale fans?
When scoring the first goal, his immediate reaction was to run to the Sandy rather than towards his own fans. I know he is an ex-player but can’t remember any animosity either way.
Made me think of the recent Ryder cup where US fans abused Europe players rather than supported their own. Goad rather than celebrate. |  |
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:11 - Oct 12 with 1999 views | tony_roch975 |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:53 - Oct 12 by Daley_Lama |
Has Nebwy got some beef with Dale fans?
When scoring the first goal, his immediate reaction was to run to the Sandy rather than towards his own fans. I know he is an ex-player but can’t remember any animosity either way.
Made me think of the recent Ryder cup where US fans abused Europe players rather than supported their own. Goad rather than celebrate. |
Seem to recall his tendency towards a 'show pony' personality & pulling out of tackles led to fans criticism.
But like our Tarryn, occasionally he's brilliant. [Post edited 12 Oct 10:13]
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| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 10:12 - Oct 12 with 1977 views | TalkingSutty |
| FA Cup 4th Q- York City (H) 11th Oct -Match Thread on 09:32 - Oct 12 by 442Dale |
I’d agree with their manager too. Thought they looked a really well coached team who all knew their roles.
I didn’t go to Forest Green so can only go off the radio commentary there, but would it be fair to say York did similar to what we did last week with respects to controlling the game?
York’s ability to slow the game down to actually stopping with the ball seemed to confuse us (and some fans who called for the keeper to be penalised for standing there with the ball at his feet!). The second half changes then confused them! |
A different game at FGR i think. As the home team they tried to play on the front foot and nearly scored in the first minute. They also totted up about a dozen corners during the game. We did control the game though i thought and as it wore on we opened them up and should have scored a few more. Apart from a good 15 minute spell we didn't put them under real pressure yesterday and in the first half their keeper had nothing to do. I don't have a problem with shithousery, it's part of tgr game. What bugs me is when Dale fans complain about it as though we don't do it ourselves. Blaming the referee is another classic also, it's always the refs fault. Yesterday wasn't the best version of ourselves, if it was what McNulty suggested a tactical encounter, then he came off second best. [Post edited 12 Oct 10:22]
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