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Multiple people stabbed on train on 21:29 - Nov 3 by Gwyn737
Lots of things other than murder are punishable by death under Sharia law -apostasy, treason, blasphemy, adultery, rape, and drug trafficking all result in the death penalty.
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I meant our laws not some backward facing10th century religious hocus pocus.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Multiple people stabbed on train on 22:53 - Nov 3 with 1389 views
Multiple people stabbed on train on 07:04 - Nov 4 by Gwyn737
That’s my point. We’d be aligning our laws with 10th century hocus pocus.
And point taken, we seem to becoming servient to a minority (atm) group which is now showing its teeth and power and unless something is done quickly then we will follow as too many others have in becoming another Islamic state. You don't to go back in very recent history to see how other tolerant countries have fallen by the wayside ,fallen into caliphates because the tolerant had been shouted down and ignored.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Multiple people stabbed on train on 13:42 - Nov 6 with 987 views
Multiple people stabbed on train on 13:04 - Nov 3 by raynor94
Why say "Overweight and middle aged" typical stereotyping from you, I would imagine passengers were grateful to the guard who is now in a life threatening condition in hospital
Stop virtue signalling.I would like to see a lone you stop a 32 year old nutter armed with a knife. Do you think you could do it?
Multiple people stabbed on train on 13:20 - Nov 3 by onehunglow
Simply vile You are shameless However I know many middle aged and older men that would take effective action
Fit young men wouldn't be able to overpower a knifeman .It's not like the movies, or the crap they teach in Krav Maga, these are nutcases who don't give a shit who they stab. The vast majority of fit young men would crap their pants if they saw it, let alone some lone overweight middle aged person or a skinny young man or woman.
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Multiple people stabbed on train on 14:06 - Nov 6 with 965 views
Fit young men wouldn't be able to overpower a knifeman .It's not like the movies, or the crap they teach in Krav Maga, these are nutcases who don't give a shit who they stab. The vast majority of fit young men would crap their pants if they saw it, let alone some lone overweight middle aged person or a skinny young man or woman.
Two or three men could easily overpower a lone knife man. It would be dangerous and there could be injuries but the guy wouldn’t stand a chance.
Fit young men wouldn't be able to overpower a knifeman .It's not like the movies, or the crap they teach in Krav Maga, these are nutcases who don't give a shit who they stab. The vast majority of fit young men would crap their pants if they saw it, let alone some lone overweight middle aged person or a skinny young man or woman.
Overweight middle aged men can easily disarm a knife man who will be not thinking straight Many hold a knife the wrong way to stab and it’s the subject freezing in adults that sees them slaughtered Most people will have on them something that can help such confrontations A pen can be legal so can a simple car key Imagine a long car key driven into the neck or eyes Trouble is ordinary folk are not trained to provide their self defence and cannot stay focussed An attacker will often leave himself wide open to a counter attack and in fact have a knife turned on himself
It’s about presence of mind amongst the trauma
With young kids however , it is simply terror and butchery which is why this Kent should have hung
Flight is the best course if possible, subject to the plight of others. But I was surprised to read how the Nottingham Forest supporter, who was by no means a big man, made a fight of it outside the locked buffet carriage door. As he seems to have grappled with the assailant for a minute or two and landed at least one punch, I did wonder if a couple of young fit men could have pitched in and swung the balance. Fortunately his injuries don't seem to be life changing.
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Multiple people stabbed on train on 18:06 - Nov 6 with 887 views
Multiple people stabbed on train on 17:54 - Nov 6 by AnotherJohn
Flight is the best course if possible, subject to the plight of others. But I was surprised to read how the Nottingham Forest supporter, who was by no means a big man, made a fight of it outside the locked buffet carriage door. As he seems to have grappled with the assailant for a minute or two and landed at least one punch, I did wonder if a couple of young fit men could have pitched in and swung the balance. Fortunately his injuries don't seem to be life changing.
Its not about age but awareness and technique and how it’s implemented I know many old guys who are still very potent It’s when folk can’t flee that is the issue It’s like facing someone who is aggressive , so if that happens , don’t face them straight on but move body 45 degrees and keep distance if possible
Multiple people stabbed on train on 18:06 - Nov 6 by onehunglow
Its not about age but awareness and technique and how it’s implemented I know many old guys who are still very potent It’s when folk can’t flee that is the issue It’s like facing someone who is aggressive , so if that happens , don’t face them straight on but move body 45 degrees and keep distance if possible
Move 45 degrees on a crowded train corridor. Distance is the best to keep yourself safe, I agree. but not much help to others.
Someone posted that, 3 or 4 men can overpower a knifeman. that didn't work on the train and the guard got hospitalised. it's all it takes is to nick and artery or hit an organ and it's game over.
There is no effective way to disarm a strong determined knifeman, even the police don't attempt it unless they call for backup
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Multiple people stabbed on train on 19:33 - Nov 6 with 860 views
Multiple people stabbed on train on 13:06 - Nov 4 by Boundy
And point taken, we seem to becoming servient to a minority (atm) group which is now showing its teeth and power and unless something is done quickly then we will follow as too many others have in becoming another Islamic state. You don't to go back in very recent history to see how other tolerant countries have fallen by the wayside ,fallen into caliphates because the tolerant had been shouted down and ignored.
Move 45 degrees on a crowded train corridor. Distance is the best to keep yourself safe, I agree. but not much help to others.
Someone posted that, 3 or 4 men can overpower a knifeman. that didn't work on the train and the guard got hospitalised. it's all it takes is to nick and artery or hit an organ and it's game over.
There is no effective way to disarm a strong determined knifeman, even the police don't attempt it unless they call for backup
Wrong They have and do Back up is often too far away
Two or three men could easily overpower a lone knife man. It would be dangerous and there could be injuries but the guy wouldn’t stand a chance.
The problem is there are no tools to defend to yourself other than suitcases. In a bar or cafe there are chairs. On the other hand the assailant has people coming at him from two directions.
The confusion is so great that at first it was thought that there were two assailants.The second "black guy" as his colleague. He was innocent.
One worry for a gave a go hero is whether anybody else would help him in f he had managed to stun the assailant offering a short period to overpower him.
The guard should at least 5 base ball bats to hand out to passengers willing to help . Base ball bats to the b front andd rear would be quite a task for a .loan knife man.
Multiple people stabbed on train on 23:22 - Nov 6 by ReslovenSwan1
The problem is there are no tools to defend to yourself other than suitcases. In a bar or cafe there are chairs. On the other hand the assailant has people coming at him from two directions.
The confusion is so great that at first it was thought that there were two assailants.The second "black guy" as his colleague. He was innocent.
One worry for a gave a go hero is whether anybody else would help him in f he had managed to stun the assailant offering a short period to overpower him.
The guard should at least 5 base ball bats to hand out to passengers willing to help . Base ball bats to the b front andd rear would be quite a task for a .loan knife man.
Baseball bats are heavy and cumbersome A humble walking stick can cause significant pain , enough to disable anyway
Multiple people stabbed on train on 09:49 - Nov 7 by onehunglow
Baseball bats are heavy and cumbersome A humble walking stick can cause significant pain , enough to disable anyway
A maglite torch is quite a useful means of showing scrots the lighted path to understanding they shouldn't do or attempt to do harm to others .There are many ways to protect yourself as I'm sure you are more than aware of but I have to say some of the female officers in uniform today really should be looking at another career . Back in the day the Army taught basic aikido as part of hand to hand combat ,not sure is that is still the case but are we really now getting to the point that we have to arm ourselves in any way we can, sad times indeed.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Multiple people stabbed on train on 17:45 - Nov 7 with 675 views
Multiple people stabbed on train on 09:49 - Nov 7 by onehunglow
Baseball bats are heavy and cumbersome A humble walking stick can cause significant pain , enough to disable anyway
The idea is one blow would incapacitate the aggressor.. At full extent out would place you out of knife strike range. He would need to be taken out of action with one blow to the head or neck. An accomplice would then remove the knife.
Multiple people stabbed on train on 17:45 - Nov 7 by ReslovenSwan1
The idea is one blow would incapacitate the aggressor.. At full extent out would place you out of knife strike range. He would need to be taken out of action with one blow to the head or neck. An accomplice would then remove the knife.
But it’s inweildy It’s defensible by getting in close and catering effectively The nastiest implement carried is a Stanley knife Ladies can carrying all sorts of possible items that can disarm Car keys can blind easily Even a phone torch can temporarily blind to get away
Problem is folk are afraid of consequences of injuring an attacker as they can and are charged with S47/20 assault Kill some and it’s on you to prove it wasn’t excessive
Personally, I would like to think I wouldn’t hesitate to protect my family if anyone within earshot Ok I’ve been well trained but if it’s that serious a situation then it’s kill or be killed and face the justice system Age is f all todo do with it
I'm late to this thread so I'll respond to Gwyn in the absence of any other responses which sadly tells its own story.
Working class Muslim, but more importantly, British citizen Samir Zitouni is an absolute hero indeed, epitomising the British spirit.
He has more in common with any of us than the world's first trillionaire!! demagogue and Tommy Robinson backer Elon Musk who seeks to divide this country at every opportunity.
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Multiple people stabbed on train on 21:24 - Nov 7 with 580 views
Multiple people stabbed on train on 19:42 - Nov 7 by oldtownjack
I'm late to this thread so I'll respond to Gwyn in the absence of any other responses which sadly tells its own story.
Working class Muslim, but more importantly, British citizen Samir Zitouni is an absolute hero indeed, epitomising the British spirit.
He has more in common with any of us than the world's first trillionaire!! demagogue and Tommy Robinson backer Elon Musk who seeks to divide this country at every opportunity.
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I fully agree what you say about Samir Zitouni, the sort of person who this country needs so much more of, sadly though people like himself are the silent forgotten public who never asked to be put in the position they find themselves in , defending themselves against some who's extreme ideology isn't nor ever will align with the majority.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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