| The last post and silence 12:16 - Nov 6 with 20287 views | loftboy |
Had to go up the stairs and tell the stewards by ML to shut up last night, talking extremely loudly throughout the whole thing. |  |
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| The last post and silence on 11:36 - Nov 7 with 2678 views | BushRanger82 |
I'm Irish and I wear a poppy out of respect. Fallen warriors, whether friend or foe, deserve to be honoured and respected, and politics be damned. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 12:31 - Nov 7 with 2507 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The last post and silence on 11:32 - Nov 7 by Hastings_Hoops |
What a perverse perspective and comment.
…Tell that to the broken soldier who has watched his friends get blown up fighting for his country.
The fact that fireworks were exploding in the background during the minute silence was particularly poignant - I’m sure if you were in the trenches with that sound around you, a political ideal would be the furthest thing from your mind. |
I haven't expressed a perspective on the last post, poppy, broken soldiers, unjust wars, or the Royal British legion throughout this whole thread.
I'm simply saying, perhaps sarcastically, that a lot of people demanding an end to politics in football are demanding politics in football by shouting at teenagers to adhere the minutes silence or commanding people to wear poppies.
Both actions of which, by the way, the RBL asks you not to.
I shouldn't have said anything, not because it isn't true, but because most of your reactions are all so predictable and do absolutely nothing for veterans which apparently is everyone's main concern.
House and rehabilitate soldiers? Memorialise the dead? I'm all for it but boasting on a forum about attacking others? Not helpful.
Anyway, I hope you all got it off your chest and can go back to mostly doing fck all for veterans. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 12:54 - Nov 7 with 2416 views | JamesB1979 |
| The last post and silence on 12:31 - Nov 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I haven't expressed a perspective on the last post, poppy, broken soldiers, unjust wars, or the Royal British legion throughout this whole thread.
I'm simply saying, perhaps sarcastically, that a lot of people demanding an end to politics in football are demanding politics in football by shouting at teenagers to adhere the minutes silence or commanding people to wear poppies.
Both actions of which, by the way, the RBL asks you not to.
I shouldn't have said anything, not because it isn't true, but because most of your reactions are all so predictable and do absolutely nothing for veterans which apparently is everyone's main concern.
House and rehabilitate soldiers? Memorialise the dead? I'm all for it but boasting on a forum about attacking others? Not helpful.
Anyway, I hope you all got it off your chest and can go back to mostly doing fck all for veterans. |
The symbol of the poppy and the minutes silence is for those people that were killed (on both sides) during military conflicts. Whilst I agree with many of the comments made on treatment of veterans, that’s another discussion and not one that I think should be brought into the poppy discussion. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 12:58 - Nov 7 with 2388 views | slmrstid |
I'm at risk of putting my head above the parapet here, but there's elements of the Remembrance Period I feel deeply uncomfortable about these days.
I will happily go to my local memorial for a service on Remembrance Sunday, I will happily down tools at work for 2 minutes at 11am on Armistice Day, no problem there.
Where I feel very uncomfortable is the enormous amount of noise and performative actions that are made around the whole period now, and nowhere is worse than this IMO than football clubs.
I remember when I was growing up in the 90s that if you were at home on Remembrance Weekend you'd have a minute silence before the match and off you go. And if you weren't at home on the weekend then nothing happened the game before and lets just see where the fixtures place us next year.
Then we had clubs starting to put Poppies on shirts and auctioning them off for the RBL, fair enough, nice touch, still low key.
Now its a whole "event" and even if you're not at home on Remembrance Weekend (as we are not again this year) we still do the big song and dance about how respectful we are, flag bearers, trumpeters, roll of honour etc and I'll be brutally honest, I feel its a complete over the top carnivalisation of the whole thing and a hundred miles off the true meaning of what the Remembrance Period should be. It feels to me like clubs trying to out-compete each other in how respectful they can be and who can be the most respectful.
The Instagram account "Mascot Silence" is normally a great follow as they publish photos of mascots up and down the country standing on football pitches with football teams doing minute silences, and to be quite frank seeing a six-foot tall shrimp at Southend with a massive grin on his face stood in a centre circle with his head bowed looks bloody stupid. I've seen photos on the account of a ground (not sure where) where someone is dressed up as a poppy stood on the pitch.
I'm sure everyone on here has family who has served, as well as people on here who have served. I couldn't do it, I'm not brave enough, I'm not tough enough, I have huge respect for all of them, I'm one of those who'd only end up on the front line because they were conscripted to be there.
I really don't, however, like what its become in football grounds every year now. I don't believe it's done for the right reasons, in truth. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 13:04 - Nov 7 with 2377 views | HAMRanger |
| The last post and silence on 09:28 - Nov 7 by Ned_Kennedys |
Well you don’t need to look too hard: there’s literally examples in this thread 🙄 |
Weird. Not seen any extremely wicked/evil/insincere posts on here!? |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 13:07 - Nov 7 with 2366 views | Stanisgod |
| The last post and silence on 08:39 - Nov 7 by hubble |
Hijacked by the far right? What utter nonsense. Maybe in the minds of people who are obsessed with seeing everything from a left-bias perspective. A huge number of people from across the political spectrum respect the poppy symbol and Remembrance Day, but because that includes people you don't like, you've decided to say it's been hijacked. That in itself is politicising the situation in pursuit of your own agenda.
James had it right when he said "The poppy isn’t political. People make it political and shame on them. It’s just showing respect to men and women who gave ultimate sacrifice." |
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| The last post and silence on 13:09 - Nov 7 with 2335 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The last post and silence on 12:54 - Nov 7 by JamesB1979 |
The symbol of the poppy and the minutes silence is for those people that were killed (on both sides) during military conflicts. Whilst I agree with many of the comments made on treatment of veterans, that’s another discussion and not one that I think should be brought into the poppy discussion. |
You are directly opposed to the Royal British Legion then.
'Every year we lead the nation in commemorating and honouring those who have served and sacrificed, distributing our paper poppies to raise vital funds to help today's Armed Forces community through our annual Poppy Appeal'
https://www.britishlegion.org.uk/get-involved/events/london-poppy-day#:~:text=Al | | | |
| The last post and silence on 13:12 - Nov 7 with 2329 views | JamesB1979 |
The symbol is for those that were killed. And the silence is for those that were killed. The money raised from selling the poppies is for veterans. | | | |
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| The last post and silence on 13:33 - Nov 7 with 2183 views | Logman |
| The last post and silence on 13:12 - Nov 7 by JamesB1979 |
The symbol is for those that were killed. And the silence is for those that were killed. The money raised from selling the poppies is for veterans. |
Correct
Additionally, no-one has really mentioned the significance of the event in the context of the world we live in today. 'Mankind' responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths every year. Not saying that is happening on our shores but it's still going on in the world we live in and awareness needs to be raised if we're going to have any chance of stopping it. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 14:02 - Nov 7 with 2072 views | R_from_afar |
| The last post and silence on 11:14 - Nov 7 by stowmarketrange |
Maybe the sons and daughters of politicians should be the 1st people called up to fight any wars in stead of the usual cannon fodder.I don’t think there would ever be any wars if that happened. |
Well said, I can hear Black Sabbath's lyricist, Geezer Butler, applauding those wise words.
"Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'till their judgment day comes, yeah!"
From "War pigs". |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| The last post and silence on 15:01 - Nov 7 with 1930 views | digswellhoop |
darent say what i feels id be banned
anyone who doesn't respect it should be shot | | | |
| The last post and silence on 15:03 - Nov 7 with 1926 views | FDC |
| The last post and silence on 15:01 - Nov 7 by digswellhoop |
darent say what i feels id be banned
anyone who doesn't respect it should be shot |
Daring to imagine what it was you darent say 😂 |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 17:04 - Nov 7 with 1739 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| The last post and silence on 11:14 - Nov 7 by stowmarketrange |
Maybe the sons and daughters of politicians should be the 1st people called up to fight any wars in stead of the usual cannon fodder.I don’t think there would ever be any wars if that happened. |
All well and good, but if Mark Thatcher was involved in the Falklands, we'd have retaken Guernsey instead; Goose Green might have been seen as an invitation for a liaison with TV presenter Sarah Greene; and he'd likely have sunk a P&O battleship destined for Southampton!
But I get your point entirely. |  |
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| The last post and silence on 17:20 - Nov 7 with 1695 views | Gus_iom |
| The last post and silence on 15:03 - Nov 7 by FDC |
Daring to imagine what it was you darent say 😂 |
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| The last post and silence on 18:15 - Nov 7 with 1595 views | Maggsinho |
| The last post and silence on 15:01 - Nov 7 by digswellhoop |
darent say what i feels id be banned
anyone who doesn't respect it should be shot |
That’s definitely the sort of intolerance and freedom we were fighting for. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 18:32 - Nov 7 with 1546 views | HAMRanger |
| The last post and silence on 18:15 - Nov 7 by Maggsinho |
That’s definitely the sort of intolerance and freedom we were fighting for. |
I think that is lost on some people! | | | |
| The last post and silence on 18:58 - Nov 7 with 1467 views | HoopinEssex |
Born in London to Irish parents.
I'm consider myself Irish. I don't wear one. Not because of anything other but the recent added on "all conflicts" tripe.
Would wear one all day for the brave people who died in both world wars
I can't wear it for those who did what they did in Ireland.
But I will respect the silence at the game and anywhere else.
But thats just me [Post edited 7 Nov 19:04]
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| The last post and silence on 19:09 - Nov 7 with 1428 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The last post and silence on 12:58 - Nov 7 by slmrstid |
I'm at risk of putting my head above the parapet here, but there's elements of the Remembrance Period I feel deeply uncomfortable about these days.
I will happily go to my local memorial for a service on Remembrance Sunday, I will happily down tools at work for 2 minutes at 11am on Armistice Day, no problem there.
Where I feel very uncomfortable is the enormous amount of noise and performative actions that are made around the whole period now, and nowhere is worse than this IMO than football clubs.
I remember when I was growing up in the 90s that if you were at home on Remembrance Weekend you'd have a minute silence before the match and off you go. And if you weren't at home on the weekend then nothing happened the game before and lets just see where the fixtures place us next year.
Then we had clubs starting to put Poppies on shirts and auctioning them off for the RBL, fair enough, nice touch, still low key.
Now its a whole "event" and even if you're not at home on Remembrance Weekend (as we are not again this year) we still do the big song and dance about how respectful we are, flag bearers, trumpeters, roll of honour etc and I'll be brutally honest, I feel its a complete over the top carnivalisation of the whole thing and a hundred miles off the true meaning of what the Remembrance Period should be. It feels to me like clubs trying to out-compete each other in how respectful they can be and who can be the most respectful.
The Instagram account "Mascot Silence" is normally a great follow as they publish photos of mascots up and down the country standing on football pitches with football teams doing minute silences, and to be quite frank seeing a six-foot tall shrimp at Southend with a massive grin on his face stood in a centre circle with his head bowed looks bloody stupid. I've seen photos on the account of a ground (not sure where) where someone is dressed up as a poppy stood on the pitch.
I'm sure everyone on here has family who has served, as well as people on here who have served. I couldn't do it, I'm not brave enough, I'm not tough enough, I have huge respect for all of them, I'm one of those who'd only end up on the front line because they were conscripted to be there.
I really don't, however, like what its become in football grounds every year now. I don't believe it's done for the right reasons, in truth. |
Honestly if you feel so strongly about it then turn up bang on kick off time so you miss it all and switch it over on TV when it comes on.
So what if every club do it every year even if it’s not bang on the date? It really doesn’t affect you and I’m sure it prompts a lot of fans to buy a Poppy and make a donation. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 19:13 - Nov 7 with 1395 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The last post and silence on 13:04 - Nov 7 by HAMRanger |
Weird. Not seen any extremely wicked/evil/insincere posts on here!? |
That’s debatable but each to their own I guess. Readers of this thread will make their own minds up. | | | |
| The last post and silence (n/t) on 19:15 - Nov 7 with 1379 views | HoopinEssex |
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| The last post and silence on 19:16 - Nov 7 with 1370 views | HAMRanger |
| The last post and silence on 19:13 - Nov 7 by Ned_Kennedys |
That’s debatable but each to their own I guess. Readers of this thread will make their own minds up. |
it really isn't debatable! | | | |
| The last post and silence on 19:46 - Nov 7 with 1243 views | Northernr |
I haven't been around much this week, and am obviously travelling to Sheffield tomorrow where apparently even the simple business of going for a couple of beers with my mates in a city I grew up in is going to be complicated by pub closures and police presence because the right want to march on a Holiday Inn and the left want to stop that happening.
I am begging you guys to keep this thread respectful. I think there's been a decent exchange of views here, at times borderline and I've deleted a couple of posts I thought were out of order, but a good conversation. Please keep it that way. We're all QPR.
I'll always have my poppy on. I stood through a minutes silence with my grandad, my dad and Stuart (parachute regiment, serious sht) who all made me very aware of its importance. JamesB's first post on this thread was spot on, for me. I stood at the top of the steps to F Block on Weds and was quite moved by the total silence in the ground, with the fireworks bursting overhead.
But I also agree with SL's subsequent post that the performative nonsense at football and elsewhere - who can be more respectful, mascots dressed as poppies, people screaming "where's your poppy" at James McLean etc - is just a nonsense. If you go home and away you're going through these parades three or four times every season. Port Vale did theirs on October 27 for goodness sake because it was on Sky. Both managers, both chairmen, both captains, all laying a wreath. It was like a bloody florists in the centre circle. That's not respectful or remembrance or whatever, that's performative.
The big thing I remember from Remembrance when I was younger was "never again". You don't hear that so much any more.
Please be kind to each other this weekend.
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| The last post and silence on 20:10 - Nov 7 with 1130 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| The last post and silence on 16:38 - Nov 6 by Snipper |
That’s the left for you in two lines.
An absolute joke of a post by you. 😡 |
What did the survivors of both World Wars vote for the first chance they got? The biggest socialist programme in our history. The NHS, Social Housing, free education, the Welfare State etc. Those are what they won and the right have spent every year they've been in office trying to dismantle them.
Wearing a poppy and pissing on the society they hoped to create I find easily as offensive as people ignoring the silence. |  | | |
| The last post and silence on 20:19 - Nov 7 with 1082 views | NorrisGreen |
Pretty sure Leeds did their remembrance two weeks ago tonight against West Ham (its 7th tonight).
I did think it a bit odd doing it nigh on 3 weeks before 11/11 in mid'ish October but I suppose it was a quirk of the fixture list.
Wonder how many times Leeds and West Ham players will do the minute's respect over this period - could well be three times I suppose. | | | |
| The last post and silence on 20:22 - Nov 7 with 1061 views | NorrisGreen |
| The last post and silence on 20:10 - Nov 7 by Sonic_Hoop |
What did the survivors of both World Wars vote for the first chance they got? The biggest socialist programme in our history. The NHS, Social Housing, free education, the Welfare State etc. Those are what they won and the right have spent every year they've been in office trying to dismantle them.
Wearing a poppy and pissing on the society they hoped to create I find easily as offensive as people ignoring the silence. |
This guy says it all....
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/veteran-gmb-war-starmer-britain-video-b286 | | | |
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