| Furs leaving on 10:57 - Nov 26 with 2738 views | daveB |
| Furs leaving on 10:49 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
Thank you
I'm not saying it's fake news but it's obvious that WLS are prone to employing clickbait and dramatised headlines for clicks just like they did when they completely mischaracterised Julien Stephan's comments after the Southampton game
I'd hope the club would clarify what has happened in an official statement but expecting that inside 24 hours of a published leak I think is a bit ridiculous and an extreme oversimplifying of the situation. This isn't a Sunday league team dropping someone, there's legal obstacles, contracts
Also not sure what you want the club to do about Kolli's fathers' instagram posts or a salty ex players' comments in a program  I think there's more pressing issues at a football club than this |
It all adds up though and sets a culture at the club. The way Cook had the captancy taken off him and that really weird contract announcement, Sam Field, Paul Nardi and Ken Paal all being told to go and then being needed for the team, Kelman obviously has an issue with how he was treated. Marti publically put on the naughty spot when they could easily have just agreed to go by mutual consent. This stuff shouldn't be ignored it's treating people really poorly and if you have a culture where people are not respected and treated well it soon shows up on the pitch |  | |  |
| Furs leaving on 11:00 - Nov 26 with 2684 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Furs leaving on 10:49 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
Thank you
I'm not saying it's fake news but it's obvious that WLS are prone to employing clickbait and dramatised headlines for clicks just like they did when they completely mischaracterised Julien Stephan's comments after the Southampton game
I'd hope the club would clarify what has happened in an official statement but expecting that inside 24 hours of a published leak I think is a bit ridiculous and an extreme oversimplifying of the situation. This isn't a Sunday league team dropping someone, there's legal obstacles, contracts
Also not sure what you want the club to do about Kolli's fathers' instagram posts or a salty ex players' comments in a program I think there's more pressing issues at a football club than this |
Does the sheer amount of examples you are being forced to defend not concern you? At what point does bad luck or paranoia become a pattern or a culture? |  | | |
| Furs leaving on 11:04 - Nov 26 with 2651 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Furs leaving on 10:48 - Nov 26 by TK1 |
"Increasingly inflammatory WLS": what nonsense.
So inflammatory: reporting on matches, giving player ratings, an occasional podcast with David McIntyre - vet of 20+ years of the most reliable QPR news-gathering -and the so-controversial Kevin Gallen that he was the guest of honour on Saturday, had his photo installed in the Loft and was subject to a 90-minute interview in the official site. And sometimes breaking stories like these, the timing of which may not suit the club but the veracity of which can never be contradicted.
If you want examples of the tone from some accounts on X, it's like your own post: casting doubt on the source, knock their intentions, but conversely always, always giving CN and co the benefit of the doubt. |
Good post.
Add minimalising the issues to that list. | | | |
| Furs leaving on 11:10 - Nov 26 with 2607 views | TheChef |
Hasn't Beans got a hot take on this, to tell us how we've all got it wrong? |  |
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| Furs leaving on 11:16 - Nov 26 with 2551 views | QPRSam |
| Furs leaving on 11:00 - Nov 26 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Does the sheer amount of examples you are being forced to defend not concern you? At what point does bad luck or paranoia become a pattern or a culture? |
I'll tag this along with a response to DaveB as of course there's valid criticism in the treatment of Nardi, Paal... the Cook contract announcement was bizarre to say the least. However along with that I don't see an issue with changing captaincy to a player who will play all 46 games, 90 mins. I don't think Field has been mistreated considering he's been handed long term contracts TWICE in the last 12 months. I don't have sympathy for Kelman who clearly never wanted to be here. The Marti situation while strange we ended up winning by receiving compensation.
I'm not blindly one way or the other like it feels you're trying to imply. If it turns out that management has just given Furlong the boot and don't provide a statement or reasoning that would be awful treatment for a club legend and rightly condemned. I know it's dissenting to not contribute into an immediate pile on but all my opinion is, I want to know what's actually happened rather than base everything off a vague leak and ITK's on an internet forum. Let's hope we get that in the next few days |  | | |
| Furs leaving on 11:34 - Nov 26 with 2422 views | daveB |
| Furs leaving on 11:16 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
I'll tag this along with a response to DaveB as of course there's valid criticism in the treatment of Nardi, Paal... the Cook contract announcement was bizarre to say the least. However along with that I don't see an issue with changing captaincy to a player who will play all 46 games, 90 mins. I don't think Field has been mistreated considering he's been handed long term contracts TWICE in the last 12 months. I don't have sympathy for Kelman who clearly never wanted to be here. The Marti situation while strange we ended up winning by receiving compensation.
I'm not blindly one way or the other like it feels you're trying to imply. If it turns out that management has just given Furlong the boot and don't provide a statement or reasoning that would be awful treatment for a club legend and rightly condemned. I know it's dissenting to not contribute into an immediate pile on but all my opinion is, I want to know what's actually happened rather than base everything off a vague leak and ITK's on an internet forum. Let's hope we get that in the next few days |
Changing Captain is fine but it's how you do it that is the issue. Field went from new long term contract to being told to find a new club within 2 months which was not ideal.
With Marti we'd have got compensation either way, he ended up going by mutual consent with a clause that if he gets another job we get compensation, that could have been done at the end of the season rather than drag him and the club through the mud.
Kelman may well have wanted to go but it was an odd thing for him to say about how he was treated. It's just a pattern of not treating people well.
I get football is a pretty ruthless business but this doesn't smell right | | | |
| Furs leaving on 11:43 - Nov 26 with 2358 views | QPRSam |
| Furs leaving on 11:34 - Nov 26 by daveB |
Changing Captain is fine but it's how you do it that is the issue. Field went from new long term contract to being told to find a new club within 2 months which was not ideal.
With Marti we'd have got compensation either way, he ended up going by mutual consent with a clause that if he gets another job we get compensation, that could have been done at the end of the season rather than drag him and the club through the mud.
Kelman may well have wanted to go but it was an odd thing for him to say about how he was treated. It's just a pattern of not treating people well.
I get football is a pretty ruthless business but this doesn't smell right |
It's like you just said with Field though and it's the first time me hearing that he was told to leave. He signed a new long term contract in June, played every pre season game then full 90s in the first 3 league games of this season. The last game being the 7-1 loss on the 23rd August and the obvious large amount of changes made to a team that got pummeled. Was it after this game he was told to leave, or the entire summer after the contract and being involved in every game? Some of these narratives that appear don't feel right either | | | |
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| Furs leaving on 11:58 - Nov 26 with 2256 views | daveB |
| Furs leaving on 11:43 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
It's like you just said with Field though and it's the first time me hearing that he was told to leave. He signed a new long term contract in June, played every pre season game then full 90s in the first 3 league games of this season. The last game being the 7-1 loss on the 23rd August and the obvious large amount of changes made to a team that got pummeled. Was it after this game he was told to leave, or the entire summer after the contract and being involved in every game? Some of these narratives that appear don't feel right either |
I heard it was after we signed Hayden but I don't know for sure | | | |
| Furs leaving on 12:48 - Nov 26 with 2078 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Furs leaving on 15:43 - Nov 25 by Mick_S |
There is the “Penny dropping” thread elsewhere - how bloody apt. For me, I’ve been very unsure about Nourry and his sycophants but this just stinks.
As Brian said “decency”
Hunter said “people talk”
This seems to be a very personal and nasty decision. |
Clive has already said in the match preview that WLS leaked the story early and the club can’t officially announce anything until the finances are sorted. If however the club don’t pay a fulsome tribute then that’s very poor indeed given his fantastic history with us but that’s very unlikely.
And “This seems to be a very personal and nasty decision” is clearly based on no facts whatsoever. |  | | |
| Furs leaving on 12:50 - Nov 26 with 2045 views | terryb |
Going back to April & the gardening leave handed to Cifuentes, the one word that kept being used by those in favour was loyalty (or disloyalty from Marti).
Please would they care to explain how Paul Furlong has not shown loyalty, or is it just that the club don't really care about the word? | | | |
| Furs leaving on 12:53 - Nov 26 with 2021 views | Northernr |
Baz makes a good point. What is it about fool me once, fool me twice? How many times is it "perhaps there's been a misunderstanding" or "perhaps there's another side to this", "perhaps it's just ITK people making stuff up" before it becomes a pattern? |  | | |
| Furs leaving on 12:57 - Nov 26 with 1981 views | Northernr |
| Furs leaving on 12:50 - Nov 26 by terryb |
Going back to April & the gardening leave handed to Cifuentes, the one word that kept being used by those in favour was loyalty (or disloyalty from Marti).
Please would they care to explain how Paul Furlong has not shown loyalty, or is it just that the club don't really care about the word? |
A great point mate. We're very quick to hammer people like Willock. Get the snake emojis out. Loyalty when it suits us.
This isn't some jobbing youth team coach we're talking about here. It's Paul Furlong.
Honestly, the amount of people who are willing to shill for this, and be fine with it astounds me. | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:00 - Nov 26 with 1965 views | QPRSam |
| Furs leaving on 12:48 - Nov 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
Clive has already said in the match preview that WLS leaked the story early and the club can’t officially announce anything until the finances are sorted. If however the club don’t pay a fulsome tribute then that’s very poor indeed given his fantastic history with us but that’s very unlikely.
And “This seems to be a very personal and nasty decision” is clearly based on no facts whatsoever. |
Pretty much my point earlier which I understand is an unpopular take as there's a 23x upvoted post 2 hours after the article asking why the club haven't already released a full statement, tribute, biographical piece. I think blame lies with whoever was involved in leaking the story to WLS with this | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:01 - Nov 26 with 1948 views | Northernr |
| Furs leaving on 13:00 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
Pretty much my point earlier which I understand is an unpopular take as there's a 23x upvoted post 2 hours after the article asking why the club haven't already released a full statement, tribute, biographical piece. I think blame lies with whoever was involved in leaking the story to WLS with this |
Wow. | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:06 - Nov 26 with 1894 views | QPRSam |
| Furs leaving on 13:01 - Nov 26 by Northernr |
Wow. |
I'm happy to have a chat, it's just my opinion which is pretty similar to your words at the bottom. Having the news break in this vague way and leaving the rest up to fans' guesswork never ends well. In your post you say "there's a misunderstanding" - no, there's straight up no understanding, whoever you want to blame.
I do feel for the club to a certain extent that this has leaked out before a settlement has been agreed, which means legally they feel obligated to stay silent while people who have been upset by this decision leak out their side and the message boards and rumour mill go into overdrive. | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:07 - Nov 26 with 1871 views | Northernr |
| Furs leaving on 13:06 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
I'm happy to have a chat, it's just my opinion which is pretty similar to your words at the bottom. Having the news break in this vague way and leaving the rest up to fans' guesswork never ends well. In your post you say "there's a misunderstanding" - no, there's straight up no understanding, whoever you want to blame.
I do feel for the club to a certain extent that this has leaked out before a settlement has been agreed, which means legally they feel obligated to stay silent while people who have been upset by this decision leak out their side and the message boards and rumour mill go into overdrive. |
And what does the line directly under that say? | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:18 - Nov 26 with 1762 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Furs leaving on 11:16 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
I'll tag this along with a response to DaveB as of course there's valid criticism in the treatment of Nardi, Paal... the Cook contract announcement was bizarre to say the least. However along with that I don't see an issue with changing captaincy to a player who will play all 46 games, 90 mins. I don't think Field has been mistreated considering he's been handed long term contracts TWICE in the last 12 months. I don't have sympathy for Kelman who clearly never wanted to be here. The Marti situation while strange we ended up winning by receiving compensation.
I'm not blindly one way or the other like it feels you're trying to imply. If it turns out that management has just given Furlong the boot and don't provide a statement or reasoning that would be awful treatment for a club legend and rightly condemned. I know it's dissenting to not contribute into an immediate pile on but all my opinion is, I want to know what's actually happened rather than base everything off a vague leak and ITK's on an internet forum. Let's hope we get that in the next few days |
Amen to that. | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:24 - Nov 26 with 1698 views | QPRSam |
| Furs leaving on 13:07 - Nov 26 by Northernr |
And what does the line directly under that say? |
I agree with the rest, if it turns out he's been fired and we all have found out from a WLS article with this timing during the season it's a very sad state of affairs. If that's what has actually happened you're justified
I'm just interested to hear more the club and would be shocked at the swiftness if the above is correct. Just 2 months ago he was trusted to basically be our manager for the Plymouth game, what's happened between now and then? Well, let's hopefully find out... | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:31 - Nov 26 with 1641 views | Northernr |
| Furs leaving on 13:24 - Nov 26 by QPRSam |
I agree with the rest, if it turns out he's been fired and we all have found out from a WLS article with this timing during the season it's a very sad state of affairs. If that's what has actually happened you're justified
I'm just interested to hear more the club and would be shocked at the swiftness if the above is correct. Just 2 months ago he was trusted to basically be our manager for the Plymouth game, what's happened between now and then? Well, let's hopefully find out... |
Okay, well look I've said and written what I'm going to say and write for now except for this - there is no "if it turns out he's been fired".
The reason the club, quite rightly as you've said, can't say anything is because they haven't agreed a settlement and the terms of the departure yet. I feel for the media team on that, because they know how this looks and they're getting a shoeing for it.
However, if somebody is leaving mutually, if somebody is resigning, if somebody has come to you and said they want to retire or take another job or step back, then there is no settlement, there is no delay to the coms, there is no problem. If you can't speak because you haven't agreed a settlement, that means it's your decision the person is leaving.
That's not ITK, that's not rumour, that's not hearsay, that just is what it is. | | | |
| Furs leaving on 13:42 - Nov 26 with 1561 views | TheChef |
| Furs leaving on 13:31 - Nov 26 by Northernr |
Okay, well look I've said and written what I'm going to say and write for now except for this - there is no "if it turns out he's been fired".
The reason the club, quite rightly as you've said, can't say anything is because they haven't agreed a settlement and the terms of the departure yet. I feel for the media team on that, because they know how this looks and they're getting a shoeing for it.
However, if somebody is leaving mutually, if somebody is resigning, if somebody has come to you and said they want to retire or take another job or step back, then there is no settlement, there is no delay to the coms, there is no problem. If you can't speak because you haven't agreed a settlement, that means it's your decision the person is leaving.
That's not ITK, that's not rumour, that's not hearsay, that just is what it is. |
Which kind of makes it odd how it came out in WLS in the first place. | |
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| Furs leaving on 13:50 - Nov 26 with 1505 views | QPR_Jim |
| Furs leaving on 11:34 - Nov 26 by daveB |
Changing Captain is fine but it's how you do it that is the issue. Field went from new long term contract to being told to find a new club within 2 months which was not ideal.
With Marti we'd have got compensation either way, he ended up going by mutual consent with a clause that if he gets another job we get compensation, that could have been done at the end of the season rather than drag him and the club through the mud.
Kelman may well have wanted to go but it was an odd thing for him to say about how he was treated. It's just a pattern of not treating people well.
I get football is a pretty ruthless business but this doesn't smell right |
Being pedantic but I thought the compensation we received was basically getting most of the money we'd already paid him to leave back, rather than a "win" as Sam put it.
On a separate note, I like having people around the place who know the club, respect our history and show loyalty to us. I think we do better generally when we have people like that around the place because they make an effort and get the best out of other players. I don't think it's a coincidence that having those kind of characters around the place (Gallen,Bircham,Cook) causes other players (like Furlong and Ainsworth) who they played with to become supporters of the club as well. Not sure I'm happy with people like that being removed from the club on the whim of a group of people who'd probably walk away as soon as a better offer came calling, without a second thought for QPR. |  | | |
| Furs leaving on 14:45 - Nov 26 with 1253 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Does anyone know what time we'll be getting the Furlong was disloyal / incompetent lines? | | | |
| Furs leaving on 14:45 - Nov 26 with 1251 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Furs leaving on 13:42 - Nov 26 by TheChef |
Which kind of makes it odd how it came out in WLS in the first place. |
Happy workplaces generally don't leak too much. [Post edited 26 Nov 16:11]
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