| Kone 20:51 - Jan 1 with 2913 views | stainrods_elbow |
He's not doing it, is he?
Is he up to it?
If not, where do he/we go from here? |  |
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| Kone on 20:57 - Jan 1 with 2133 views | 1JD |
Been poor for weeks like Saito and Varane. Doesn’t deserve to start. |  | | |
| Kone on 20:59 - Jan 1 with 2098 views | colinallcars |
He certainly got off to a flyer but looks very ordinary now.
A lot of players seem to “go off the boil” - is it something about the way the club is run ? |  | | |
| Kone on 21:05 - Jan 1 with 2042 views | bosh67 |
The strange thing is that in those first X games he came in, looked sharp, fearless and powerful. He scored goals. Looked like the missing link. Then he didn't score for a few games and appeared to lose confidence and some of that natural instinct. Does he receive the right kind of service. Is he playing in a position that gives him the best chance to at least create scoring opportunities? Not really at the moment.
Is he up to it? Yes, probably. I remember watching Ferdinand when he first started here and I think? he was older than Kone. I remember saying to my dad after half a dozen games, I don't think he's going to make it... But then we seemed to work out how to get the ball to him, where to make him dangerous and he exploded into action. We do need to make him a traditional 9 and make him not just a target man, but also someone that wide players actually find.
I'd actually go and hire Charlie Austin, who loves this club, as a personal coach for Kone (and others) and I think we'd find a much better player in a matter of weeks. |  |
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| Kone on 21:12 - Jan 1 with 1969 views | LowerloftLad |
Personally I think he is getting the wrong service.
Get the ball to his feet in the box while he is facing the goal and he will score goals for fun.
As a club we now seem pretty good at finding gems but what we now need to adapt a style of play that will really make one player shine.
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| Kone on 21:14 - Jan 1 with 1950 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Kone on 21:12 - Jan 1 by LowerloftLad |
Personally I think he is getting the wrong service.
Get the ball to his feet in the box while he is facing the goal and he will score goals for fun.
As a club we now seem pretty good at finding gems but what we now need to adapt a style of play that will really make one player shine.
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Yes, I agree. He's far too deep for me. | | | |
| Kone on 21:21 - Jan 1 with 1889 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Kone on 21:12 - Jan 1 by LowerloftLad |
Personally I think he is getting the wrong service.
Get the ball to his feet in the box while he is facing the goal and he will score goals for fun.
As a club we now seem pretty good at finding gems but what we now need to adapt a style of play that will really make one player shine.
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I'm not sure. I've seen him miss some really good chances this season, both with head and boot. Whether it's specialist coaching he needs, or the whole team set-up (and how he's serviced/not serviced) needs looking at, or both, or something else, I'm not sure, but JS is paid to work it out - and it's just one of the many things he's failing at right now.
Right now, Kone's regressing as a player, and his value's if anything decreasing. Once again, if you're the Board, you can't be happy with that. | |
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| Kone on 21:29 - Jan 1 with 1813 views | ted_hendrix |
| Kone on 21:12 - Jan 1 by LowerloftLad |
Personally I think he is getting the wrong service.
Get the ball to his feet in the box while he is facing the goal and he will score goals for fun.
As a club we now seem pretty good at finding gems but what we now need to adapt a style of play that will really make one player shine.
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You might have a point, I used to watch Djibril Cisse closely when he was playing for us, If you put the ball in front of him on the floor he was excellent, pass the ball to him with a bit of bounce with his back to the goal and he wasn't great.
There's no comparison between Kone and Djibril Cisse of course there Isn't but we obviously have work to do on the training pitch with Kone, he's stepped up a league don't forget. |  |
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| Kone on 22:12 - Jan 1 with 1706 views | sdm1508 |
| Kone on 21:29 - Jan 1 by ted_hendrix |
You might have a point, I used to watch Djibril Cisse closely when he was playing for us, If you put the ball in front of him on the floor he was excellent, pass the ball to him with a bit of bounce with his back to the goal and he wasn't great.
There's no comparison between Kone and Djibril Cisse of course there Isn't but we obviously have work to do on the training pitch with Kone, he's stepped up a league don't forget. |
Wow. Three separate threads started by Stainrodneys Elbow . You don't need to look at the results. Just come in here and see how active you are,to know we lost.
Can't wait to read how everyone is rubbish at their job and what you would do. | | | |
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| Kone on 22:29 - Jan 1 with 1641 views | Watford_Ranger |
Not as big a Kolli fan as some but thought with little to no service he added something. Maybe play him for a bit. Or leave him on the bench for four games before leaving him out the squad entirely for a month. Whatever. | | | |
| Kone on 23:14 - Jan 1 with 1458 views | Lblock |
I was never fully on board with the Kone and explosion
He’s better than a lot of what has gone before him; can’t deny that. After the initial hype I noted that he just never seemed happy on the pitch and looked somewhat laboured or on the edges of games.
With each passing week I’m becoming more unimpressed but wouldn’t write the fella off. However, I can’t see him being a striker at the top area of the EFL as he lacks something he’ll never have —- pace.
Love to know what we paid for him.
I’ve seen £3M mentioned - if so then that pound for pound a poor transfer so far (stress so far)
Ive also seen £1.75M noted - if so then fair play.
I can’t see him making double figures this season though as I think he’s only got four goals??? That pretty pisspoor really |  |
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| Kone on 23:15 - Jan 1 with 1457 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Kone on 22:12 - Jan 1 by sdm1508 |
Wow. Three separate threads started by Stainrodneys Elbow . You don't need to look at the results. Just come in here and see how active you are,to know we lost.
Can't wait to read how everyone is rubbish at their job and what you would do. |
Thanks for the latest parody! | |
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| Kone on 23:17 - Jan 1 with 1449 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Kone on 23:14 - Jan 1 by Lblock |
I was never fully on board with the Kone and explosion
He’s better than a lot of what has gone before him; can’t deny that. After the initial hype I noted that he just never seemed happy on the pitch and looked somewhat laboured or on the edges of games.
With each passing week I’m becoming more unimpressed but wouldn’t write the fella off. However, I can’t see him being a striker at the top area of the EFL as he lacks something he’ll never have —- pace.
Love to know what we paid for him.
I’ve seen £3M mentioned - if so then that pound for pound a poor transfer so far (stress so far)
Ive also seen £1.75M noted - if so then fair play.
I can’t see him making double figures this season though as I think he’s only got four goals??? That pretty pisspoor really |
Strikers don't have to have pace to excel in the Champ or even PL - look at Charlie Austin! They just need to be good players. | |
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| Kone on 01:21 - Jan 2 with 1273 views | sdm1508 |
Well you are the deluded gift that keeps giving Stainrodney | | | |
| Kone on 03:32 - Jan 2 with 1182 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Kone on 01:21 - Jan 2 by sdm1508 |
Well you are the deluded gift that keeps giving Stainrodney |
And you're the boring one that doesn't! [Post edited 2 Jan 5:24]
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| Kone on 05:03 - Jan 2 with 1107 views | WestbourneR |
Playing two up front is killing Kone. He’s having to play far too deep for Burrell who he is basically having to service with very little in return. Runmarn is very selfish.
It’s maddening. We finally have a striker who can not only play one up front but would actually prosper as the lone striker - and we switch to 442.
Unpopular opinion but we need to prioritise Kone over Burrell. He has a much higher ceiling.
Burrell has Prem pace but a National League first touch. And for me first touch is amongst the most important attributes you can have. It needs to improve vastly if we’re to be a top six side with him in the starting 11
So yeah I’d go three in mid, give Hayden Madsen and Morgan and run (I’m totally fed up with Varane’s passive poser style) and Kone up top as solo striker. Think it’d help a lot. [Post edited 2 Jan 6:21]
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| Kone on 05:30 - Jan 2 with 1074 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Kone on 05:03 - Jan 2 by WestbourneR |
Playing two up front is killing Kone. He’s having to play far too deep for Burrell who he is basically having to service with very little in return. Runmarn is very selfish.
It’s maddening. We finally have a striker who can not only play one up front but would actually prosper as the lone striker - and we switch to 442.
Unpopular opinion but we need to prioritise Kone over Burrell. He has a much higher ceiling.
Burrell has Prem pace but a National League first touch. And for me first touch is amongst the most important attributes you can have. It needs to improve vastly if we’re to be a top six side with him in the starting 11
So yeah I’d go three in mid, give Hayden Madsen and Morgan and run (I’m totally fed up with Varane’s passive poser style) and Kone up top as solo striker. Think it’d help a lot. [Post edited 2 Jan 6:21]
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So you'd drop the Champ's third top scorer, who might hit double figures against Wednesday, to nurture a peripheral, if promising striker who doesn't look nearly quick, clever, or clinical enough for this division - or at least not for several weeks now?
Your other point about our system is a serious one, however. 4-4-2 just isn't working for us right now, so I think Stephan has to change it. On that basis, I wouldn't be averse to trying it with Kone up top and Burrell benched for the rest it looks like he needs. Chair should then be accommodated as a roving 10 as soon as he's fit, which would also keep Varane out. | |
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| Kone on 05:58 - Jan 2 with 1045 views | WestbourneR |
| Kone on 05:30 - Jan 2 by stainrods_elbow |
So you'd drop the Champ's third top scorer, who might hit double figures against Wednesday, to nurture a peripheral, if promising striker who doesn't look nearly quick, clever, or clinical enough for this division - or at least not for several weeks now?
Your other point about our system is a serious one, however. 4-4-2 just isn't working for us right now, so I think Stephan has to change it. On that basis, I wouldn't be averse to trying it with Kone up top and Burrell benched for the rest it looks like he needs. Chair should then be accommodated as a roving 10 as soon as he's fit, which would also keep Varane out. |
I don’t need you to rate the seriousness of my posts. You’re 10% as clever as you think you are. A typical pub bore who only comes out to post when we lose because that’s how your desperate ego gets its nourishment.
Yes I would drop Burrell for Kone and play one up top. Burrell hasn’t got the touch or back to goal game to play as the one - and seeing as you are so kind to agree about stopping 442 - then the striker can’t be Burrell. Or if it it needs someone like Kolli as a very advanced 10.
Goals alone do not make a player. Burrell has very effectively hoovered up balls that break in the box but he doesn’t allow us to build possession when we need to control games at home.
Andy Thomson scored more goals in League One than Paul Furlong.
We were a better team with Furlong | |
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| Kone on 06:50 - Jan 2 with 975 views | CateLeBonR |
For me it's the wingers and attacking mids that aren't performing at the moment. Dembele, Saito, Smyth not creating much and Chair and Poku have been injured most of the season. Very little being created by them and we look most threatening when the defenders join the attack. Burrell and Kone are not the problem for me I can't remember them missing many chances yesterday. |  | | |
| Kone on 09:07 - Jan 2 with 776 views | Lblock |
| Kone on 05:03 - Jan 2 by WestbourneR |
Playing two up front is killing Kone. He’s having to play far too deep for Burrell who he is basically having to service with very little in return. Runmarn is very selfish.
It’s maddening. We finally have a striker who can not only play one up front but would actually prosper as the lone striker - and we switch to 442.
Unpopular opinion but we need to prioritise Kone over Burrell. He has a much higher ceiling.
Burrell has Prem pace but a National League first touch. And for me first touch is amongst the most important attributes you can have. It needs to improve vastly if we’re to be a top six side with him in the starting 11
So yeah I’d go three in mid, give Hayden Madsen and Morgan and run (I’m totally fed up with Varane’s passive poser style) and Kone up top as solo striker. Think it’d help a lot. [Post edited 2 Jan 6:21]
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I’d disagree.
My view is Burrell is doing lots of running and closing down and Kone not doing his share.
Kone has quite the knack of hiding for large parts of games.
I would agree he finds himself too deep and that’s probably on JS
However, he’s only demonstrated the ability to play as a point man v Charlton for me. I’m not sure I’ve seen decent, physical hold up play from him across large durations of any other times he has found himself the furthest forward forward.
Fingers crossed he’ll come good and be walking round the training pitch giving “I’m the man” interviews with Charlie Austin after another four goals in quick succession | |
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| Kone on 09:20 - Jan 2 with 701 views | Paddyhoops |
Maybe it’s just me I thought he was one of our better players especially first half.
Service was pretty abysmal today anyway and Norwich engaged a higher block second which we always struggle against anyway and which limited any chances he would get anyway.
He’ll end up with at least 10 goals this season at his current strike which for a guy in his early twenties is pretty decent.
Let’s look for the positives rather than the negatives. | | | |
| Kone on 09:23 - Jan 2 with 685 views | knocker |
| Kone on 01:21 - Jan 2 by sdm1508 |
Well you are the deluded gift that keeps giving Stainrodney |
He loves to insult people but then again he is Mr Know All. | | | |
| Kone on 09:25 - Jan 2 with 665 views | oldmeadoniansR |
| Kone on 06:50 - Jan 2 by CateLeBonR |
For me it's the wingers and attacking mids that aren't performing at the moment. Dembele, Saito, Smyth not creating much and Chair and Poku have been injured most of the season. Very little being created by them and we look most threatening when the defenders join the attack. Burrell and Kone are not the problem for me I can't remember them missing many chances yesterday. |
I would agree with this. Kone was poor at WBA but not yesterday. I watched him very carefully in the first half and he won nearly every 50-50 shielded the ball well distributed it with goid completion. With that in mind bit of an odd time to start a thread criticising him. I think it is important to remember where a number of our players have come from. Certainly Kone and Burrel are now playing at the highest level that they ever have. This is their first season at this level and in this context I believe they have done well. There you go a bit of positivity for you. | | | |
| Kone on 09:29 - Jan 2 with 629 views | sdm1508 |
| Kone on 09:23 - Jan 2 by knocker |
He loves to insult people but then again he is Mr Know All. |
I think the club need to hire him as either the manager or a consultant. Afterall, he knows how to fix everything | | | |
| Kone on 09:36 - Jan 2 with 587 views | Blue_Castello |
| Kone on 09:25 - Jan 2 by oldmeadoniansR |
I would agree with this. Kone was poor at WBA but not yesterday. I watched him very carefully in the first half and he won nearly every 50-50 shielded the ball well distributed it with goid completion. With that in mind bit of an odd time to start a thread criticising him. I think it is important to remember where a number of our players have come from. Certainly Kone and Burrel are now playing at the highest level that they ever have. This is their first season at this level and in this context I believe they have done well. There you go a bit of positivity for you. |
Agreed I also watched him more closely first half and he won a lot of the ball, shielded it and brought others into play, he was nowhere near as bad as some people are making out, if we're not careful we end up treating him like Paul Furlong who as we all know eventually came good. | | | |
| Kone on 09:42 - Jan 2 with 557 views | mart_Goblin |
Excellent debate actually .
I totally understand the premise of ‘why on Earth would you drop Burrell?’
On the face of it, it doesn’t make much sense .
However , as I mentioned in another thread , we’ve been found out and at some point now the system surely has to change . Maybe not for Sunday as there is no time on the training pitch .
But at some point it has to . Kone looked at his best when played as the main striker with someone else (Vale at the time ) in and around him . However we need someone who can also drop into the midfield and be the extra man as we are constantly outnumbered in there . Chair perhaps ? Where he is , is another matter.
Kone much more than Burrell would suit that .
I do agree that would be harsh on Burrell but he is now running on empty and it really shows. Without his pace and press he is very ordinary …At this time .
He will improve and become a better player of course.
At the moment you now have both of them looking tired and a bit short of confidence (not just them, everybody really) . But I agree with Westbourne that if we changed system and played Kone where he should be played and has he was played to great success albeit at a lower level then he potentially could have a higher ceiling but he is just a passenger as it stands right now .
Listen, if you said who has been the better signing so far , Burrell wins hands down, so again, the thought of changing things seems a bit nonsensical.
But it’s about the system moreso the player .
As I say , it’s a good debate with no real right or wrong .However, JS seems so entrenched in this system I think it’s also an irrelevant discussion. |  | | |
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