| Disgrace 17:31 - Aug 27 with 45102 views | Knowlesy |
Hill's reaction to the fans after our equaliser today is the final straw for me. Dunno if it's still at the point where I'll get slagged off for this but an own goal / straight from the corner / whatever it was does not justify 90 minutes of absolute sludge nor does it make me feel any better about the season ahead. We needed to win today to bring the fans back onside and I've always defended Hill because of what he's done for the club, don't get me wrong we have come a long, long way under his management but for me he can go after his reaction to the fans today.
Turning round and giving it both barrels to the crowd after we've scored because they had a go after sending Logan back into his goal is unacceptable, he had no other thought in his mind after that goal other than getting one over on those paying fans. The first time in my life that I've actually been angrier after we've scored a goal and if a manager can do that then it's not a good show. Looking very grim after that performance. |  | | |  |
| Disgrace on 15:05 - Aug 29 with 3018 views | SuddenLad |
| Disgrace on 14:58 - Aug 29 by Ninco |
It's only you that seems to be dragging it on. Everyone else seems to have said that they are happy to draw a line under it now. |
I didn't start the thread, nor did I contribute to the incident being discussed, but I did see and hear enough of what went on to make up my own mind about what is needed to finally put the matter to bed. |  |
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| Disgrace on 15:07 - Aug 29 with 3010 views | 442Dale |
| Disgrace on 14:51 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
The longer it takes for the remaining party ( or parties) to follow suit, the more it will prolong the negative publicity surrounding this regrettable event.
Having seen and heard what went on, I think it would be in the interests of all concerned, and for the good reputation of everyone involved, if the remaining individual(s) followed suit and then we can all forget about it and move on.
Until that happens, we have an 'open sore' and some people may get the impression that there is a hidden agenda.
We should be discussing the football, which is the primary concern for us all. If I knew the supporters cncerned, I'd be giving them a nudge for everyone's benefit. |
Where are they all supposed to do this?
Both Hill and the club have come out and apologised and there has been no blame put on any other parties. |  |
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| Disgrace on 15:58 - Aug 29 with 2865 views | pioneer |
| Disgrace on 20:08 - Aug 27 by Rosun |
Keith Hill. Born 17th May 1969.
He's a Taurus. They have horns and some times they dig them in.
I'm a Libra ... perfectly balanced ... a chip on each shoulder. |
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| Disgrace on 16:33 - Aug 29 with 2768 views | Laveritty |
| Disgrace on 14:02 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
There has now been a full and swift apology from the manager, a club statement which indicates that a Director has similarly apologised for his conduct.
Only one to go. |
Sudden Lad - Have the club, in their statement, asked for me or anyone else to make an apology?
No?!
Have the club, in their statement, acknowledged that one of their directors was in the wrong and issued an unreserved apology?
"On behalf of the club, Mr Dunphy and the Board would like to apologise wholeheartedly to supporters for the unacceptable behaviour from within the Directors Area.
We regard this is a serious matter and a meeting has already taken place with the Director in question, who has apologised unreservedly for his actions.
Rochdale Football Club values its supporters and Dale’s new Chief Executive, Russ Green, has offered to meet with any fan involved in the incident."
I think that would be a Yes?!
Please re-read my original post and advise me what you think I have done that merits me issuing an apology?
Interesting that in their statement the club have felt the need to reiterate the maxim TEAM ROCHDALE! In view of the fact that I made reference to it in one of my posts and how that was not my sentiment at this moment in time it feels very desperate and shallow, almost as if they are trying to convince themselves that they do mean it really!
For anybody commenting along the lines of 'Forget it, move on' etc - that is easy to say when you are not the person who has been on the receiving end!
I keep mulling over what might have happened had I stood my ground, refused to move and continued to demand an immediate apology from that director whilst being manhandled by the stewards? Would the police have been involved, would I have been arrested? Would I have faced charges? Very possibly! I work within the Criminal Justice sector so that would then have had severe consequences on my employment.
The way the whole thing was handled has disgusted me and for what? Having had the temerity to turn to the directors and ask if Keith Hill's actions were being condoned and whether they could see the effect it had had on other supporters (most notably the lady with her young daughter! The look of shock on the mother's face and sheer bewilderment on her daughter's will live will me for some considerable time)? Am I being over sensitive? Perhaps! But that is how I felt then and am feeling now so I intend to make no apology whatsoever!
In all probability both Keith Hill and the director involved committed Public Order Offences so do I contact the police to report these crimes as nobody, no matter who you are and what you have achieved should be above the law, whereupon they would ask the club for CCTV footage of the incident and investigate? Or do I simply let that lie and move on? It really is not that simple. It is frightening how quickly things could have escalated out of all proportion had I not reluctantly left the ground without resistance!
In that one incident the director showed blatant contempt and outright scorn and derision to a fan of over 35 years. By association this contempt is also directed at you and every other fan who pays their hard earned cash for the privilege of watching their beloved team.
With regard to the club statement and their invite for any fans involved to get in touch and/or arrange an informal meeting - In light of how I was 'shut down, shut up and moved on' on Saturday I am reluctant to give them my email address for fear of further repercussions should I ever need to challenge such behaviour in the future. If that is how the club wish to pursue the matter then they will have to somehow contact me via this message board. Don't know if they will/can do that but the ball is now in their court. I am assuming that these posts are being read by the club/directors?
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| Disgrace on 17:29 - Aug 29 with 2622 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 16:33 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
Sudden Lad - Have the club, in their statement, asked for me or anyone else to make an apology?
No?!
Have the club, in their statement, acknowledged that one of their directors was in the wrong and issued an unreserved apology?
"On behalf of the club, Mr Dunphy and the Board would like to apologise wholeheartedly to supporters for the unacceptable behaviour from within the Directors Area.
We regard this is a serious matter and a meeting has already taken place with the Director in question, who has apologised unreservedly for his actions.
Rochdale Football Club values its supporters and Dale’s new Chief Executive, Russ Green, has offered to meet with any fan involved in the incident."
I think that would be a Yes?!
Please re-read my original post and advise me what you think I have done that merits me issuing an apology?
Interesting that in their statement the club have felt the need to reiterate the maxim TEAM ROCHDALE! In view of the fact that I made reference to it in one of my posts and how that was not my sentiment at this moment in time it feels very desperate and shallow, almost as if they are trying to convince themselves that they do mean it really!
For anybody commenting along the lines of 'Forget it, move on' etc - that is easy to say when you are not the person who has been on the receiving end!
I keep mulling over what might have happened had I stood my ground, refused to move and continued to demand an immediate apology from that director whilst being manhandled by the stewards? Would the police have been involved, would I have been arrested? Would I have faced charges? Very possibly! I work within the Criminal Justice sector so that would then have had severe consequences on my employment.
The way the whole thing was handled has disgusted me and for what? Having had the temerity to turn to the directors and ask if Keith Hill's actions were being condoned and whether they could see the effect it had had on other supporters (most notably the lady with her young daughter! The look of shock on the mother's face and sheer bewilderment on her daughter's will live will me for some considerable time)? Am I being over sensitive? Perhaps! But that is how I felt then and am feeling now so I intend to make no apology whatsoever!
In all probability both Keith Hill and the director involved committed Public Order Offences so do I contact the police to report these crimes as nobody, no matter who you are and what you have achieved should be above the law, whereupon they would ask the club for CCTV footage of the incident and investigate? Or do I simply let that lie and move on? It really is not that simple. It is frightening how quickly things could have escalated out of all proportion had I not reluctantly left the ground without resistance!
In that one incident the director showed blatant contempt and outright scorn and derision to a fan of over 35 years. By association this contempt is also directed at you and every other fan who pays their hard earned cash for the privilege of watching their beloved team.
With regard to the club statement and their invite for any fans involved to get in touch and/or arrange an informal meeting - In light of how I was 'shut down, shut up and moved on' on Saturday I am reluctant to give them my email address for fear of further repercussions should I ever need to challenge such behaviour in the future. If that is how the club wish to pursue the matter then they will have to somehow contact me via this message board. Don't know if they will/can do that but the ball is now in their court. I am assuming that these posts are being read by the club/directors?
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To be fair to the security staff, they were only doing what they have been told to do. It is in their remit to protect the staff, just as it is in any workplace. They don't know you personally, so all they have to judge you on is your mannerism and if they see you shouting at a director or protesting, they are obliged to step in and deal with the situation. You are on their property, so you have to abide by their ground conditions.
I am not saying that you came across as intimidating to me, just that I think the stewards were right to step in when they did as it could have escalated to a situation where it did become intimidating if it had been allowed to carry on. It's all about nipping things in the bud before they happen.
I know we all do things differently, but I've always found in those situations, it is best to walk away, simmer down, sleep on it, then if you still feel aggrieved, you can contact the club and give them feedback. | | | |
| Disgrace on 17:46 - Aug 29 with 2565 views | Laveritty |
| Disgrace on 17:29 - Aug 29 by Ninco |
To be fair to the security staff, they were only doing what they have been told to do. It is in their remit to protect the staff, just as it is in any workplace. They don't know you personally, so all they have to judge you on is your mannerism and if they see you shouting at a director or protesting, they are obliged to step in and deal with the situation. You are on their property, so you have to abide by their ground conditions.
I am not saying that you came across as intimidating to me, just that I think the stewards were right to step in when they did as it could have escalated to a situation where it did become intimidating if it had been allowed to carry on. It's all about nipping things in the bud before they happen.
I know we all do things differently, but I've always found in those situations, it is best to walk away, simmer down, sleep on it, then if you still feel aggrieved, you can contact the club and give them feedback. |
Fair comment - I accept that reasoning and that is exactly why I did begrudgingly allow myself to be 'escorted away from the incident' rather than continuing to protest! I now realise that I made the right decision at that moment and shudder to think what might have ensued had I not done? I am still seething though! | |
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| Disgrace on 18:04 - Aug 29 with 2501 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 17:46 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
Fair comment - I accept that reasoning and that is exactly why I did begrudgingly allow myself to be 'escorted away from the incident' rather than continuing to protest! I now realise that I made the right decision at that moment and shudder to think what might have ensued had I not done? I am still seething though! |
So if you do take it further, what is it that you want from them to resolve this? They have already apologised, so is it just a case that you want them to apologise again, or are you expecting them to take action against the manager or director?
I don't see what help it would be to the club to penalise the manager or director. Much as I dislike the director, he does have a good business brain and we need his input more than ever now that we have bought the stadium. We have already lost several directors not so long ago.
As for penalising Hill, I don't see any benefit whatsoever. He knows he did wrong, and it's unlikely that he will do it again so what is there to gain?
I've always believed that if you bear a grudge, you are just eating away at yourself while the other party is just getting on with their life, so why put yourself through all the stress if it's something that's already happened and can't be changed? | | | |
| Disgrace on 18:05 - Aug 29 with 2492 views | D_Alien |
| Disgrace on 17:46 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
Fair comment - I accept that reasoning and that is exactly why I did begrudgingly allow myself to be 'escorted away from the incident' rather than continuing to protest! I now realise that I made the right decision at that moment and shudder to think what might have ensued had I not done? I am still seething though! |
Laveritty, I don't know you and have only just caught up with this thread - and the apology from the Chairman/Directors, but I can find nothing you've done or posted that you would have any reason to reproach yourself about. The apologies having been issued, you've contributed a valuable service to us all and perhaps that might help to lessen your feeling of still seething?
It's long been my contention - I've posted as such - that at least some within the club hierarchy fail to appreciate that many fans are at least as experienced in professional life as they are and the fact they've made enough money to contribute to the Dale at director level gives them no right whatsoever to treat fans with disdain or outright contempt. Quite simply, they don't know who they're dealing with.
Thanks for your posts on this matter, and given your eloquence and insight, it'd be useful if you felt able to contribute further on more routine matters in the future.
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| Disgrace on 18:10 - Aug 29 with 2478 views | 442Dale |
| Disgrace on 18:05 - Aug 29 by D_Alien |
Laveritty, I don't know you and have only just caught up with this thread - and the apology from the Chairman/Directors, but I can find nothing you've done or posted that you would have any reason to reproach yourself about. The apologies having been issued, you've contributed a valuable service to us all and perhaps that might help to lessen your feeling of still seething?
It's long been my contention - I've posted as such - that at least some within the club hierarchy fail to appreciate that many fans are at least as experienced in professional life as they are and the fact they've made enough money to contribute to the Dale at director level gives them no right whatsoever to treat fans with disdain or outright contempt. Quite simply, they don't know who they're dealing with.
Thanks for your posts on this matter, and given your eloquence and insight, it'd be useful if you felt able to contribute further on more routine matters in the future.
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There's a cracking kit thread he might like.
Some excellent points too. | |
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| Disgrace on 18:23 - Aug 29 with 2438 views | Laveritty |
| Disgrace on 18:10 - Aug 29 by 442Dale |
There's a cracking kit thread he might like.
Some excellent points too. |
What a good idea - let's lighten the mood a little - I am heading over to the Kits thread right now and then I might dip into the Sitcoms debate. Agree about Early Doors - that was a cracking show. Will post what I consider one of the funniest/cleverest pieces of comedy writing ever on there in a few minutes!
Just thinking about it has brought a huge smile to my face again! Cheers all! | |
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| Disgrace on 18:32 - Aug 29 with 2408 views | 442Dale |
| Disgrace on 18:23 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
What a good idea - let's lighten the mood a little - I am heading over to the Kits thread right now and then I might dip into the Sitcoms debate. Agree about Early Doors - that was a cracking show. Will post what I consider one of the funniest/cleverest pieces of comedy writing ever on there in a few minutes!
Just thinking about it has brought a huge smile to my face again! Cheers all! |
Let it be put on record that the Great Main Stand Battle 2016 was ended by a suggestion to discuss sock trims, lower league kit clashes and squad numbers.
Much similar to when we asked the Germans for a kickabout on Christmas Day. | |
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| Disgrace on 18:36 - Aug 29 with 2393 views | judd |
| Disgrace on 18:23 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
What a good idea - let's lighten the mood a little - I am heading over to the Kits thread right now and then I might dip into the Sitcoms debate. Agree about Early Doors - that was a cracking show. Will post what I consider one of the funniest/cleverest pieces of comedy writing ever on there in a few minutes!
Just thinking about it has brought a huge smile to my face again! Cheers all! |
If you don't want to email the club then phone them and withhold your number, although any misuse of your email address would be prosecuteable under data protection legislation. |  |
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| Disgrace on 18:37 - Aug 29 with 2388 views | dingdangblue |
| Disgrace on 16:33 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
Sudden Lad - Have the club, in their statement, asked for me or anyone else to make an apology?
No?!
Have the club, in their statement, acknowledged that one of their directors was in the wrong and issued an unreserved apology?
"On behalf of the club, Mr Dunphy and the Board would like to apologise wholeheartedly to supporters for the unacceptable behaviour from within the Directors Area.
We regard this is a serious matter and a meeting has already taken place with the Director in question, who has apologised unreservedly for his actions.
Rochdale Football Club values its supporters and Dale’s new Chief Executive, Russ Green, has offered to meet with any fan involved in the incident."
I think that would be a Yes?!
Please re-read my original post and advise me what you think I have done that merits me issuing an apology?
Interesting that in their statement the club have felt the need to reiterate the maxim TEAM ROCHDALE! In view of the fact that I made reference to it in one of my posts and how that was not my sentiment at this moment in time it feels very desperate and shallow, almost as if they are trying to convince themselves that they do mean it really!
For anybody commenting along the lines of 'Forget it, move on' etc - that is easy to say when you are not the person who has been on the receiving end!
I keep mulling over what might have happened had I stood my ground, refused to move and continued to demand an immediate apology from that director whilst being manhandled by the stewards? Would the police have been involved, would I have been arrested? Would I have faced charges? Very possibly! I work within the Criminal Justice sector so that would then have had severe consequences on my employment.
The way the whole thing was handled has disgusted me and for what? Having had the temerity to turn to the directors and ask if Keith Hill's actions were being condoned and whether they could see the effect it had had on other supporters (most notably the lady with her young daughter! The look of shock on the mother's face and sheer bewilderment on her daughter's will live will me for some considerable time)? Am I being over sensitive? Perhaps! But that is how I felt then and am feeling now so I intend to make no apology whatsoever!
In all probability both Keith Hill and the director involved committed Public Order Offences so do I contact the police to report these crimes as nobody, no matter who you are and what you have achieved should be above the law, whereupon they would ask the club for CCTV footage of the incident and investigate? Or do I simply let that lie and move on? It really is not that simple. It is frightening how quickly things could have escalated out of all proportion had I not reluctantly left the ground without resistance!
In that one incident the director showed blatant contempt and outright scorn and derision to a fan of over 35 years. By association this contempt is also directed at you and every other fan who pays their hard earned cash for the privilege of watching their beloved team.
With regard to the club statement and their invite for any fans involved to get in touch and/or arrange an informal meeting - In light of how I was 'shut down, shut up and moved on' on Saturday I am reluctant to give them my email address for fear of further repercussions should I ever need to challenge such behaviour in the future. If that is how the club wish to pursue the matter then they will have to somehow contact me via this message board. Don't know if they will/can do that but the ball is now in their court. I am assuming that these posts are being read by the club/directors?
UTD! |
'In all probability both Keith Hill and the director involved committed Public Order Offences so do I contact the police to report these crimes as nobody, no matter who you are and what you have achieved should be above the law, whereupon they would ask the club for CCTV footage of the incident and investigate'.
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| Disgrace on 18:42 - Aug 29 with 2355 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 18:37 - Aug 29 by dingdangblue |
'In all probability both Keith Hill and the director involved committed Public Order Offences so do I contact the police to report these crimes as nobody, no matter who you are and what you have achieved should be above the law, whereupon they would ask the club for CCTV footage of the incident and investigate'.
As Hill might say "WOW"!! |
If the police treated that as a public order offence, there would be hardly anyone left at Spotland as we all say the occasional swear word when we are at a match. I would be doing a life sentence if they heard my language. | | | |
| Disgrace on 18:43 - Aug 29 with 2345 views | R17ALE |
| Disgrace on 18:42 - Aug 29 by Ninco |
If the police treated that as a public order offence, there would be hardly anyone left at Spotland as we all say the occasional swear word when we are at a match. I would be doing a life sentence if they heard my language. |
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| Disgrace on 20:01 - Aug 29 with 2169 views | SuddenLad |
| Disgrace on 16:33 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
Sudden Lad - Have the club, in their statement, asked for me or anyone else to make an apology?
No?!
Have the club, in their statement, acknowledged that one of their directors was in the wrong and issued an unreserved apology?
"On behalf of the club, Mr Dunphy and the Board would like to apologise wholeheartedly to supporters for the unacceptable behaviour from within the Directors Area.
We regard this is a serious matter and a meeting has already taken place with the Director in question, who has apologised unreservedly for his actions.
Rochdale Football Club values its supporters and Dale’s new Chief Executive, Russ Green, has offered to meet with any fan involved in the incident."
I think that would be a Yes?!
Please re-read my original post and advise me what you think I have done that merits me issuing an apology?
Interesting that in their statement the club have felt the need to reiterate the maxim TEAM ROCHDALE! In view of the fact that I made reference to it in one of my posts and how that was not my sentiment at this moment in time it feels very desperate and shallow, almost as if they are trying to convince themselves that they do mean it really!
For anybody commenting along the lines of 'Forget it, move on' etc - that is easy to say when you are not the person who has been on the receiving end!
I keep mulling over what might have happened had I stood my ground, refused to move and continued to demand an immediate apology from that director whilst being manhandled by the stewards? Would the police have been involved, would I have been arrested? Would I have faced charges? Very possibly! I work within the Criminal Justice sector so that would then have had severe consequences on my employment.
The way the whole thing was handled has disgusted me and for what? Having had the temerity to turn to the directors and ask if Keith Hill's actions were being condoned and whether they could see the effect it had had on other supporters (most notably the lady with her young daughter! The look of shock on the mother's face and sheer bewilderment on her daughter's will live will me for some considerable time)? Am I being over sensitive? Perhaps! But that is how I felt then and am feeling now so I intend to make no apology whatsoever!
In all probability both Keith Hill and the director involved committed Public Order Offences so do I contact the police to report these crimes as nobody, no matter who you are and what you have achieved should be above the law, whereupon they would ask the club for CCTV footage of the incident and investigate? Or do I simply let that lie and move on? It really is not that simple. It is frightening how quickly things could have escalated out of all proportion had I not reluctantly left the ground without resistance!
In that one incident the director showed blatant contempt and outright scorn and derision to a fan of over 35 years. By association this contempt is also directed at you and every other fan who pays their hard earned cash for the privilege of watching their beloved team.
With regard to the club statement and their invite for any fans involved to get in touch and/or arrange an informal meeting - In light of how I was 'shut down, shut up and moved on' on Saturday I am reluctant to give them my email address for fear of further repercussions should I ever need to challenge such behaviour in the future. If that is how the club wish to pursue the matter then they will have to somehow contact me via this message board. Don't know if they will/can do that but the ball is now in their court. I am assuming that these posts are being read by the club/directors?
UTD! |
Laveritty - If you or anyone else had a grievance about the actions of Keith Hill, you picked the wrong moment, the wrong method and the wrong place to vent your opinion.
Emotions were clearly running high and from what I saw and heard, Keith Hill was wrong to react in the way that he did. A fact quickly acknowledged by the man himself. The director concerned has since apologised for his unacceptable behaviour, as he should do, but don't try to make out that they were the only people responsible for what ensued. Who was the Director responding to and why did he feel it nexcessary to do so in that manner.? The argument in the stand quickly escalated and got out of hand, but by that time, Keith Hill had long departed the scene and perhaps, with hindsight, it would have been better if you and your group had done likewise.
Any complaint could have been made in person by walking to the other side of the stand and going to the office or in writing to the Chairman.
To his credit, Keith Hill, however wound up he might have been, walked down the tunnel at the final whistle, without a glance upwards, whilst shaking his head. Whether that was at the result, the performance or whether at his own behaviour, I can only speculate. At the same time, your group were involved in a heated debate as outlined elsewhere.
There were plenty of people around me who were appalled at the behaviour of the argumentative group who had to be 'escorted' away. I'm guessing from reading this thread that you were one of those . You were far from alone. There were members of your group who were 'trading insults' with said Director and 'exercising two fingers' in the process. All very unedifying from an onlookers' point of view and unnecessary.
The club statement suggests that those who have a reason to, should contact the club to discuss the matter in a more relaxed environment. Great idea. Go along, have a chat, sup some tea, accept the apologies, offer your own, shake hands, accept that what happened shouldn't have done and enjoy the next game. Peacefully.
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| Disgrace on 20:17 - Aug 29 with 2118 views | Laveritty |
| Disgrace on 20:01 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
Laveritty - If you or anyone else had a grievance about the actions of Keith Hill, you picked the wrong moment, the wrong method and the wrong place to vent your opinion.
Emotions were clearly running high and from what I saw and heard, Keith Hill was wrong to react in the way that he did. A fact quickly acknowledged by the man himself. The director concerned has since apologised for his unacceptable behaviour, as he should do, but don't try to make out that they were the only people responsible for what ensued. Who was the Director responding to and why did he feel it nexcessary to do so in that manner.? The argument in the stand quickly escalated and got out of hand, but by that time, Keith Hill had long departed the scene and perhaps, with hindsight, it would have been better if you and your group had done likewise.
Any complaint could have been made in person by walking to the other side of the stand and going to the office or in writing to the Chairman.
To his credit, Keith Hill, however wound up he might have been, walked down the tunnel at the final whistle, without a glance upwards, whilst shaking his head. Whether that was at the result, the performance or whether at his own behaviour, I can only speculate. At the same time, your group were involved in a heated debate as outlined elsewhere.
There were plenty of people around me who were appalled at the behaviour of the argumentative group who had to be 'escorted' away. I'm guessing from reading this thread that you were one of those . You were far from alone. There were members of your group who were 'trading insults' with said Director and 'exercising two fingers' in the process. All very unedifying from an onlookers' point of view and unnecessary.
The club statement suggests that those who have a reason to, should contact the club to discuss the matter in a more relaxed environment. Great idea. Go along, have a chat, sup some tea, accept the apologies, offer your own, shake hands, accept that what happened shouldn't have done and enjoy the next game. Peacefully.
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I have mentioned in the 'Club Statement' thread (but am repeating it in this one since that is where it really belongs) that there will be no more posts from me on this matter until I have been in contact with the club and arranged a meeting.
UTD - We do all want the same thing ultimately. (Peacefully!) | |
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| Disgrace on 20:19 - Aug 29 with 2114 views | olympicdale |
This is absolutely disgusting to hear, from Hill and especially from the director. Have we gone back to the Coleman era, the connection between the fans and the club feels as low as under soft lad, something needs to be done to re-establish the bond, we need to get reunited again, the club can't afford to alienate fans.
No matter what the situation of the event were, no director of the club should speak to a paying customer like this, he represents the club and can't be acting like this. [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 20:32]
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| Disgrace (n/t) on 20:19 - Aug 29 with 2114 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 20:17 - Aug 29 by Laveritty |
I have mentioned in the 'Club Statement' thread (but am repeating it in this one since that is where it really belongs) that there will be no more posts from me on this matter until I have been in contact with the club and arranged a meeting.
UTD - We do all want the same thing ultimately. (Peacefully!) |
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| Disgrace on 21:48 - Aug 29 with 1951 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 17:29 - Aug 29 by Ninco |
To be fair to the security staff, they were only doing what they have been told to do. It is in their remit to protect the staff, just as it is in any workplace. They don't know you personally, so all they have to judge you on is your mannerism and if they see you shouting at a director or protesting, they are obliged to step in and deal with the situation. You are on their property, so you have to abide by their ground conditions.
I am not saying that you came across as intimidating to me, just that I think the stewards were right to step in when they did as it could have escalated to a situation where it did become intimidating if it had been allowed to carry on. It's all about nipping things in the bud before they happen.
I know we all do things differently, but I've always found in those situations, it is best to walk away, simmer down, sleep on it, then if you still feel aggrieved, you can contact the club and give them feedback. |
With respect I think you're wrong there Ninco. The stewards are not employed to protect the Staff,whatever makes you think that? The Stewards are employed to treat everybody within the Stadium with the same respect, preferential treatment is not on the agenda.
If the Director is causing the problem then the Stewards deal with him,not the innocent party. If the Director was behaving in the manner as suggested then he should have been ejected from the Stadium and it begs the question why he wasn't dealt with at the time rather than the person making the complaint.He's already admitted he was in the wrong by apologising, so the Stewards should also have escorted him out of the Stadium and let him suffer the same humiliation.
Rawlinsons got no special exemptions, he is no different than the Supporters when it comes to his conduct inside a Football Stadium so just because he's a Director let's not put him on a pedestal,he's no different than you and me, well he is actually because i know how to conduct myself properly.
Secondly, what makes you think it's their property?? The Chairman and Directors don't own the Stadium. [Post edited 29 Aug 2016 22:24]
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| Disgrace on 22:01 - Aug 29 with 1920 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 18:32 - Aug 29 by 442Dale |
Let it be put on record that the Great Main Stand Battle 2016 was ended by a suggestion to discuss sock trims, lower league kit clashes and squad numbers.
Much similar to when we asked the Germans for a kickabout on Christmas Day. |
What about recruiting Gary Jones, we need a Captain and a leader. | | | |
| Disgrace on 22:07 - Aug 29 with 1904 views | D_Alien |
| Disgrace on 20:01 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
Laveritty - If you or anyone else had a grievance about the actions of Keith Hill, you picked the wrong moment, the wrong method and the wrong place to vent your opinion.
Emotions were clearly running high and from what I saw and heard, Keith Hill was wrong to react in the way that he did. A fact quickly acknowledged by the man himself. The director concerned has since apologised for his unacceptable behaviour, as he should do, but don't try to make out that they were the only people responsible for what ensued. Who was the Director responding to and why did he feel it nexcessary to do so in that manner.? The argument in the stand quickly escalated and got out of hand, but by that time, Keith Hill had long departed the scene and perhaps, with hindsight, it would have been better if you and your group had done likewise.
Any complaint could have been made in person by walking to the other side of the stand and going to the office or in writing to the Chairman.
To his credit, Keith Hill, however wound up he might have been, walked down the tunnel at the final whistle, without a glance upwards, whilst shaking his head. Whether that was at the result, the performance or whether at his own behaviour, I can only speculate. At the same time, your group were involved in a heated debate as outlined elsewhere.
There were plenty of people around me who were appalled at the behaviour of the argumentative group who had to be 'escorted' away. I'm guessing from reading this thread that you were one of those . You were far from alone. There were members of your group who were 'trading insults' with said Director and 'exercising two fingers' in the process. All very unedifying from an onlookers' point of view and unnecessary.
The club statement suggests that those who have a reason to, should contact the club to discuss the matter in a more relaxed environment. Great idea. Go along, have a chat, sup some tea, accept the apologies, offer your own, shake hands, accept that what happened shouldn't have done and enjoy the next game. Peacefully.
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tbf SuddenLad, your claim in an earlier post that profane language had been used suggests you consider Hill a god  | |
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| Disgrace on 22:35 - Aug 29 with 1808 views | TVOS1907 |
| Disgrace on 14:51 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
The longer it takes for the remaining party ( or parties) to follow suit, the more it will prolong the negative publicity surrounding this regrettable event.
Having seen and heard what went on, I think it would be in the interests of all concerned, and for the good reputation of everyone involved, if the remaining individual(s) followed suit and then we can all forget about it and move on.
Until that happens, we have an 'open sore' and some people may get the impression that there is a hidden agenda.
We should be discussing the football, which is the primary concern for us all. If I knew the supporters cncerned, I'd be giving them a nudge for everyone's benefit. |
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| Disgrace on 23:01 - Aug 29 with 1763 views | SuddenLad |
| Disgrace on 22:07 - Aug 29 by D_Alien |
tbf SuddenLad, your claim in an earlier post that profane language had been used suggests you consider Hill a god |
There are no innocent parties in any of this. I have repeatedly stated that Keith Hill and the Director were both wrong. They have both correctly acknowledged that.
Any suggestions that the group of supporters 'having a go' were in any way 'victims' is nonsense. I had clearly heard foul language during the match from tnat section of the stand. It's not right, but it's football and we accept it happens, however reluctantly.
If the Police were to rigidly implement the Public Order Act (see earlier post) for every verbal infringement, the ground would be virtually empty at full time and the game would be 5-a-side.
Keith Hill is no God, by any stretch of the imagination, neither is he above criticism, but where some people have accepted and acknowledged their individual failings, others need to follow that example. Whether that is in private or in public is irrelevant, but it needs to happen.
Large portions of umble pie are required. Nobody should be trying to claim immunity. | |
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| Disgrace on 23:04 - Aug 29 with 1747 views | D_Alien |
| Disgrace on 23:01 - Aug 29 by SuddenLad |
There are no innocent parties in any of this. I have repeatedly stated that Keith Hill and the Director were both wrong. They have both correctly acknowledged that.
Any suggestions that the group of supporters 'having a go' were in any way 'victims' is nonsense. I had clearly heard foul language during the match from tnat section of the stand. It's not right, but it's football and we accept it happens, however reluctantly.
If the Police were to rigidly implement the Public Order Act (see earlier post) for every verbal infringement, the ground would be virtually empty at full time and the game would be 5-a-side.
Keith Hill is no God, by any stretch of the imagination, neither is he above criticism, but where some people have accepted and acknowledged their individual failings, others need to follow that example. Whether that is in private or in public is irrelevant, but it needs to happen.
Large portions of umble pie are required. Nobody should be trying to claim immunity. |
I simply meant that 'profane' language, as you called it, implies that an anti-religious expression has been used... | |
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