| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 106201 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 13:22 - Jun 10 with 1934 views | BucksRanger |
| General Election Thread on 12:16 - Jun 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Call it what you like, it’s either true or it isn’t. |
Political hit piece it is then. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:43 - Jun 10 with 1845 views | Sonofpugwash |
| General Election Thread on 10:04 - Jun 10 by Clive_Anderson |
Lolz loving the hit pieces that are cropping up. Where is that from? Seems like the type of thing Channel 4 would do.
Would like to hear the explanation of how an alleged private letter from a teacher about a 14 year old is suddenly public domain. Do they have similar files on all of us ready to reveal if we go into politics with the "wrong views" one wonders.
Or more likely they just made it up. |
The Establishment are sh*tting themselves over Farage.Expect loads of underhand tactics and smearing. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 13:47 - Jun 10 with 1820 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| General Election Thread on 13:43 - Jun 10 by Sonofpugwash |
The Establishment are sh*tting themselves over Farage.Expect loads of underhand tactics and smearing. |
I really don’t think they are.
They may get lots of votes but they’ll only get a return of 0-5 seats because of FPtP. They should be more worried about what people do outside of the voting booth.
Germany and France will be shitting themselves more. [Post edited 10 Jun 13:49]
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| General Election Thread on 13:51 - Jun 10 with 1789 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Led By Donkeys are a bunch of centrist dads who go after the easy targets that all good liberals despise. What the likes of them will no doubt find most grating is why Europe, and the wonderful EU, is suddenly voting for those types of figures. Democracy, eh? What a bummer. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:51 - Jun 10 with 1795 views | DannyPaddox |
| General Election Thread on 13:43 - Jun 10 by Sonofpugwash |
The Establishment are sh*tting themselves over Farage.Expect loads of underhand tactics and smearing. |
Which establishment? The Russian establishment won’t be shītting themselves. They’ll be laughing/ applauding/ keeping the cheques rolling in. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:53 - Jun 10 with 1780 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| General Election Thread on 13:51 - Jun 10 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Led By Donkeys are a bunch of centrist dads who go after the easy targets that all good liberals despise. What the likes of them will no doubt find most grating is why Europe, and the wonderful EU, is suddenly voting for those types of figures. Democracy, eh? What a bummer. |
I don’t disagree.
But like I said above, we shouldn’t be concerned with who is saying it, we should be concerned whether it’s true or not.
Edit: spelling. [Post edited 10 Jun 13:54]
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| General Election Thread on 13:58 - Jun 10 with 1753 views | R_from_afar |
| General Election Thread on 22:49 - Jun 8 by StJude82 |
This election is largely irrelevant. Firstly, there is NO Conservative party. There are 3 SDPs. Then there are The Greens: an extreme left wing party. Then there is The Nats. The SNP will win tens of seats on a small share of the vote. Then there is the reactionary party, Reform: I expect them to get a good chunk of the popular vote which will likely yield them 2-3 seats. There is also Galloway who could throw a small spanner in the works for Labour who will win by default with the most lacklustre group of 2nd raters that I have ever seen in British political life. Not that the Tories are any better.
This is the age of Globalism. The election that matters is in November. |
"The Greens: an extreme left wing party".
Why do you think it is extreme?
Human progress relies on a stable climate, without it, farming on a large scale becomes extremely difficult and incredibly expensive. Farming underpins everything else. The carrying capacity of the earth would plummet.
That's before you even get into migration on an unimaginable scale; 20 of the world's megacities are coastal, so that's 200m people.
Then there's the impact of climate change on rainfall patterns: Large tracts of Spain are turning into desert - there is a water supply crisis in Barcelona, for example - Amazonia is drying out, Mexico City has almost run out of water and most of Iraq is already becoming too dry to farm.
We kick this can down the road at our peril. Once tipping points are passed, no amount of effort and money will drag the climate back to where it was.
Net zero is also a business continuity and risk reduction issue: If the UK, as an example, could meet all its energy needs on an ongoing basis, crises elsewhere in the world affecting supplies of uranium and/or fossil fuels would have far less impact on us. We are making good progress, to be fair, but an acceleration would benefit us in the long term and reduce our energy bills. The cost of fossil fuels can only go up as they are finite, and historically, according to Greenwich University research, the cost of nuclear power only ever goes up over time. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 13:59 - Jun 10 with 1745 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Decent thread, folks.
First time I've really had a chance to read much of it but will definitely be stopping by to learn from you lot. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 14:07 - Jun 10 with 1682 views | FDC |
| General Election Thread on 11:01 - Jun 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He's an anti establishment figure, which is attractive to people because they've been ignored for so long, but he in particular is a grifter in my opinion. I get the motivation to vote for him though.
Ultimately the two cheeks of the same arse in Labour and Tories have facilitated his ascent by not tackling social issues enough. They have left him the space to fill. |
"Labour and Tories have facilitated his ascent by not tackling social issues enough. They have left him the space to fill."
Similar dynamics playing out in France, the US and elsewhere. Very predictable and frustrating to watch.
Step 1. Totally deligitimise the left. Maybe call them antisemitic, Czech spy, something about Putin.
Step 2. Install a centrist, maybe a technocrat, certainly not anyone with a policy platform fit for the challenges of the country. If he's visibly in advanced stages of cognitive decline that's great
Step 3. When it becomes apparent everyone's lives are worse then they were four years ago, allow far right to fill the political vacuum.
Looking forward to PM Braverman |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 14:13 - Jun 10 with 1645 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| General Election Thread on 14:07 - Jun 10 by FDC |
"Labour and Tories have facilitated his ascent by not tackling social issues enough. They have left him the space to fill."
Similar dynamics playing out in France, the US and elsewhere. Very predictable and frustrating to watch.
Step 1. Totally deligitimise the left. Maybe call them antisemitic, Czech spy, something about Putin.
Step 2. Install a centrist, maybe a technocrat, certainly not anyone with a policy platform fit for the challenges of the country. If he's visibly in advanced stages of cognitive decline that's great
Step 3. When it becomes apparent everyone's lives are worse then they were four years ago, allow far right to fill the political vacuum.
Looking forward to PM Braverman |
Put better than I ever could. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 14:28 - Jun 10 with 1596 views | FDC |
| General Election Thread on 14:13 - Jun 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Put better than I ever could. |
Nonsense comrade | | | |
| General Election Thread on 14:37 - Jun 10 with 1556 views | SheffieldHoop |
| General Election Thread on 17:09 - Jun 8 by FDC |
Come on, that's disingenuous, clearly not what I'm saying.
I thought you were saying "the UK is mostly white so of course they have more rape convictions", so i said that based on uk demographics, they are in fact disproportionately likely to be convicted of rape, which is at odds with what is frequently implied on here.
Any way, grim topic, and don't want to get into a bad faith row over it. |
The 89% stat is also pretty disingenuous. The data on this stuff is massively skewed by decades of social services, police, councilors, politicians, journalists and everybody else turning the other cheek when certain people from certain communities are known to be doing this stuff.
On the flip side, the number of white sexual offenders will include cases where the lad is 16 and the girl is 15, both "consented" (In so far as they can "consent" at that age) but the dad wants the boy done, and gets his wish because in "our" culture and under "our" laws, that's the parent's right. If a similar thing happens within Islamic community, going to the police is the absolute last thing anybody wants to do. Community matters will be resolved internally.
It seems obvious to me that the data is unrepresentative of the truth. This is why I basically assume that anybody still leaning on "the evidence" is effectively an apologist at this point, somebody who will happily turn a blind eye in the better interests of diversity, because that does seem to be the standard reaction of many "adults in the room" both while I was growing up and still today. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 14:52 - Jun 10 with 1493 views | LazyFan |
| General Election Thread on 11:09 - Jun 10 by BucksRanger |
It's not a bio, it's a political hit piece created by Led by Donkeys. They do this stuff for most major characters outside of the Labour Party. [Post edited 10 Jun 11:31]
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As someone on the left, I agree it is a political hit piece, no doubt.
They did one on Rishi but forgot to mention the D-Day lameness.
Part of being in a democracy means that Reform should be allowed to stand and air their views even if people find them abhorrent.
I noticed this piece said nothing about Farage on PFI, as that would have exposed the Blariites who brought it in from a Tory invention. He advocates direct Government borrowing to replace PFI as it's cheaper.
We on the left have been saying this forever. To be clear, I do not agree with Farage. It is he who agrees with us lefties on a leftie policy. We were always aginst PFI, always!
But understand, what he's saying here is that the markets have failed on big infrastructure and the govt is better. That's a clear socialist line, something no one pulls him up on, especially as he always says the Leftie ideas are bad, yet he's advocating one of them.
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We all understand that Blairites are global capitalists (like Cameron), so please don't say Loony Leftie Labour brought in PFI on mass; for us on the left, they are known as New Labour, not Real Labour. We see zero difference between Blair and Cameron. They are both Tories to us.
Also, Stamer is not a socialist despite his statement. I have a new phrase for you that will stick as Starmer will make it stick.
TFS = Two-Faced Starmer.
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| General Election Thread on 15:21 - Jun 10 with 1409 views | kensalriser |
| General Election Thread on 11:01 - Jun 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He's an anti establishment figure, which is attractive to people because they've been ignored for so long, but he in particular is a grifter in my opinion. I get the motivation to vote for him though.
Ultimately the two cheeks of the same arse in Labour and Tories have facilitated his ascent by not tackling social issues enough. They have left him the space to fill. |
In what way are we supposed to believe that privately educated multi-millionaires are anti-establishment?
It's just part of the con - Farage, Tice, Sunak, Johnson and the rest of them are essentially the same, privileged spivs, grifters and con men jostling for a space at the trough. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 15:28 - Jun 10 with 1386 views | Lblock |
This politics game is an absolute doddle..............
Step 1. Totally deligitimise the right. Maybe call them anti-islam, facist spy, something about Trump.
Step 2. Install a centrist, maybe a technocrat, certainly not anyone with a policy platform fit for the challenges of the country. If (s)he's visibly in advanced stages of disorganisation that's great
Step 3. When it becomes apparent everyone's lives are worse then they were four years ago, allow far left to fill the political vacuum.
Looking forward to PM Abbott
This is why I think Reform will poll well and it's also, to an extent, why Labour will absolutely pi$$ it.
We just follow the same cycle time and time again. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 15:38 - Jun 10 with 1335 views | Hunterhoop |
Indeed. And all supported/propped up by vast amounts of private and/or inherited capital to give them a fighting chance of having more power and influence. It’s not cheap to stand for government as an MP. It’s practically a full time job without pay and you have an awful lot of campaigning to fun. Is this Farage’s 4th or 5th go. He is no more a man of the people than Johnson, who clearly wasn’t. It’s all an act. This is the just the rich adjusting to the electorate and modern world and identifying a different way to have political support and therefore power.
That isn’t to say large groups of people and places in the country haven’t been ignored and let down by successive governments. It’s understandable why people listen to what he has to say. He’s created a narrative and directs it at those chunks of the electorate who have been ignored or found their lives worse and are looking for answers. Whether one thinks his answers are right (I don’t) you can understand why people listen to him.
None of this makes him a nice or good person though. What we know about him as a person, I just find him to be detestable. He’s greed personified, of both money and power. He fosters hate, and he lies, or at its most generous, deliberately misleads. He is completely untrustworthy.
Again, that is quite apart from his politics. He has very wisely identified a major groundswell of opinion, a blindspot in the electorate for the main parties, and he has brought to the fore issues that now seem to matter to people (quite which came first is a different question).
I just don’t like the bloke. And don’t understand how anyone can like him as a person… |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 15:52 - Jun 10 with 1270 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| General Election Thread on 15:21 - Jun 10 by kensalriser |
In what way are we supposed to believe that privately educated multi-millionaires are anti-establishment?
It's just part of the con - Farage, Tice, Sunak, Johnson and the rest of them are essentially the same, privileged spivs, grifters and con men jostling for a space at the trough. |
People do believe it though, because they’ll take any backlash port in a austerity storm. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 15:56 - Jun 10 with 1252 views | Clive_Anderson |
| General Election Thread on 15:38 - Jun 10 by Hunterhoop |
Indeed. And all supported/propped up by vast amounts of private and/or inherited capital to give them a fighting chance of having more power and influence. It’s not cheap to stand for government as an MP. It’s practically a full time job without pay and you have an awful lot of campaigning to fun. Is this Farage’s 4th or 5th go. He is no more a man of the people than Johnson, who clearly wasn’t. It’s all an act. This is the just the rich adjusting to the electorate and modern world and identifying a different way to have political support and therefore power.
That isn’t to say large groups of people and places in the country haven’t been ignored and let down by successive governments. It’s understandable why people listen to what he has to say. He’s created a narrative and directs it at those chunks of the electorate who have been ignored or found their lives worse and are looking for answers. Whether one thinks his answers are right (I don’t) you can understand why people listen to him.
None of this makes him a nice or good person though. What we know about him as a person, I just find him to be detestable. He’s greed personified, of both money and power. He fosters hate, and he lies, or at its most generous, deliberately misleads. He is completely untrustworthy.
Again, that is quite apart from his politics. He has very wisely identified a major groundswell of opinion, a blindspot in the electorate for the main parties, and he has brought to the fore issues that now seem to matter to people (quite which came first is a different question).
I just don’t like the bloke. And don’t understand how anyone can like him as a person… |
Isn't this the same old stuff that is thrown at anyone genuinely right wing?
"Yes he might have a point sometimes, but BOO he's a bad person don't listen to him!".
There's got to be a better argument in politics than that surely? After Farage has gone it will be the exact same hysteria about the next right wing political figure.
I suppose when I asked whether people still fall for those ludicrous hit pieces like the one Bazza linked earlier and the answer sadly appears to be yes. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 16:11 - Jun 10 with 1198 views | willesdenr |
| General Election Thread on 15:38 - Jun 10 by Hunterhoop |
Indeed. And all supported/propped up by vast amounts of private and/or inherited capital to give them a fighting chance of having more power and influence. It’s not cheap to stand for government as an MP. It’s practically a full time job without pay and you have an awful lot of campaigning to fun. Is this Farage’s 4th or 5th go. He is no more a man of the people than Johnson, who clearly wasn’t. It’s all an act. This is the just the rich adjusting to the electorate and modern world and identifying a different way to have political support and therefore power.
That isn’t to say large groups of people and places in the country haven’t been ignored and let down by successive governments. It’s understandable why people listen to what he has to say. He’s created a narrative and directs it at those chunks of the electorate who have been ignored or found their lives worse and are looking for answers. Whether one thinks his answers are right (I don’t) you can understand why people listen to him.
None of this makes him a nice or good person though. What we know about him as a person, I just find him to be detestable. He’s greed personified, of both money and power. He fosters hate, and he lies, or at its most generous, deliberately misleads. He is completely untrustworthy.
Again, that is quite apart from his politics. He has very wisely identified a major groundswell of opinion, a blindspot in the electorate for the main parties, and he has brought to the fore issues that now seem to matter to people (quite which came first is a different question).
I just don’t like the bloke. And don’t understand how anyone can like him as a person… |
Not forgetting that Reform is not a political party but private limited company wholly owned by Richard Tice, Its Chief Exec. There is no membership. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 16:23 - Jun 10 with 1154 views | Discodroids |
| General Election Thread on 15:56 - Jun 10 by Clive_Anderson |
Isn't this the same old stuff that is thrown at anyone genuinely right wing?
"Yes he might have a point sometimes, but BOO he's a bad person don't listen to him!".
There's got to be a better argument in politics than that surely? After Farage has gone it will be the exact same hysteria about the next right wing political figure.
I suppose when I asked whether people still fall for those ludicrous hit pieces like the one Bazza linked earlier and the answer sadly appears to be yes. |
Rest assured there are many of us on the right who view Corbyn with equal disdain and contempt as the left view Farage, and not because we are somehow in telekenisis lock step and bent to the will of Eve Pollard in her dorothy perkins slingbacks at the Daily mail.
The importance of independent thought is paramount. And using that thought, I think Corbyn is a polysterene knuckle duster in the political Dojo. If you love him good for you. To me he's a naplam flamethrower of leftist, naive rancour and 6th form politics. A Relic.
The links with the IRA and Hamas repel me, and to me, he's a political neolithic man striking two flint ards together in a 21st century world that has left him behind in distant world of essoblue parrafiin heaters, Johnny Kwango wrestling briefs , 'The Angry Brigade' and 'protect and survive' cold war public information films.
It's my opinion and gods infernal wrath wont shift me from that belief.
Nigel Farage is a Spiv, but i've always been drawn to these types. Must be the East Ham boy in me. [Post edited 10 Jun 16:49]
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| General Election Thread on 16:41 - Jun 10 with 1060 views | Discodroids |
| General Election Thread on 16:11 - Jun 10 by willesdenr |
Not forgetting that Reform is not a political party but private limited company wholly owned by Richard Tice, Its Chief Exec. There is no membership. |
This comes as some suprise to me as i paid £25 for memebrship after that vinegar fingered charlie perfumed brass, flung her shake at Nigel.
The thought of Nigel farage out on the piss with aaron banks and sticking my pony down some strippers knickers as she picks up pound coins with her spiced ham flaps from the bar counter dancing to Steely dans 'do it again', cheers me up better than any newsletter they send me. [Post edited 11 Jun 10:46]
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| General Election Thread on 16:58 - Jun 10 with 977 views | willesdenr |
| General Election Thread on 16:41 - Jun 10 by Discodroids |
This comes as some suprise to me as i paid £25 for memebrship after that vinegar fingered charlie perfumed brass, flung her shake at Nigel.
The thought of Nigel farage out on the piss with aaron banks and sticking my pony down some strippers knickers as she picks up pound coins with her spiced ham flaps from the bar counter dancing to Steely dans 'do it again', cheers me up better than any newsletter they send me. [Post edited 11 Jun 10:46]
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I can imagine Tice was chuffed to bits and grateful for any help towards Nige's cleaning bill. Fags and the amber gut full don't come cheap these days. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 17:07 - Jun 10 with 930 views | Hunterhoop |
| General Election Thread on 15:56 - Jun 10 by Clive_Anderson |
Isn't this the same old stuff that is thrown at anyone genuinely right wing?
"Yes he might have a point sometimes, but BOO he's a bad person don't listen to him!".
There's got to be a better argument in politics than that surely? After Farage has gone it will be the exact same hysteria about the next right wing political figure.
I suppose when I asked whether people still fall for those ludicrous hit pieces like the one Bazza linked earlier and the answer sadly appears to be yes. |
Straw Man Alert. I never said “don’t listen to him”. In fact I expressly explained why I think people do!
But just in the way you intimate his behaviour/personality/character/ shouldn’t take away from what he says, neither should what he says validate his behaviour/personality/character.
You should be able to say “I agree with what he says, but think he’s a detestable bloke.” Just like you could say “he’s ostensibly a good bloke, but I don’t agree with him.” Both are relevant in determining whether to vote for someone, especially if in a leadership role.
My original post was simply saying that I don’t know how anyone doesn’t think he’s a detestable toad, given everything we know about him. You’re still entitled to agree with his politics though. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 17:12 - Jun 10 with 904 views | Hunterhoop |
| General Election Thread on 16:23 - Jun 10 by Discodroids |
Rest assured there are many of us on the right who view Corbyn with equal disdain and contempt as the left view Farage, and not because we are somehow in telekenisis lock step and bent to the will of Eve Pollard in her dorothy perkins slingbacks at the Daily mail.
The importance of independent thought is paramount. And using that thought, I think Corbyn is a polysterene knuckle duster in the political Dojo. If you love him good for you. To me he's a naplam flamethrower of leftist, naive rancour and 6th form politics. A Relic.
The links with the IRA and Hamas repel me, and to me, he's a political neolithic man striking two flint ards together in a 21st century world that has left him behind in distant world of essoblue parrafiin heaters, Johnny Kwango wrestling briefs , 'The Angry Brigade' and 'protect and survive' cold war public information films.
It's my opinion and gods infernal wrath wont shift me from that belief.
Nigel Farage is a Spiv, but i've always been drawn to these types. Must be the East Ham boy in me. [Post edited 10 Jun 16:49]
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| General Election Thread on 17:12 - Jun 10 with 902 views | Discodroids |
| General Election Thread on 16:58 - Jun 10 by willesdenr |
I can imagine Tice was chuffed to bits and grateful for any help towards Nige's cleaning bill. Fags and the amber gut full don't come cheap these days. |
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