| Ashes thread 18:40 - Oct 9 with 65756 views | BlackCrowe |
Kicks off next month with the news that Cummins is likely out of the first test and possibly most/all of the series. That helps. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 07:18 - Dec 18 with 771 views | Tonto |
Sniko at it again. Im not saying the final result would be much different but Sniko has sure as hell made sure the Aussie win this. I didnt realsie that Sniko is differnet technology that we use here.
They made umpires neutral a while back. Should the technology be so too? The Aussie made and extra 50 runs plus as a result of the first error and Jamie Smith could have got a similar amount [Post edited 18 Dec 7:36]
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| Ashes thread on 07:28 - Dec 18 with 755 views | Gus_iom |
| Ashes thread on 07:18 - Dec 18 by Tonto |
Sniko at it again. Im not saying the final result would be much different but Sniko has sure as hell made sure the Aussie win this. I didnt realsie that Sniko is differnet technology that we use here.
They made umpires neutral a while back. Should the technology be so too? The Aussie made and extra 50 runs plus as a result of the first error and Jamie Smith could have got a similar amount [Post edited 18 Dec 7:36]
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| Ashes thread on 07:41 - Dec 18 with 719 views | plasmahoop |
Well that's that then. Will be time for a few players to move on. I would like Stokes to stay, but I'm not sure he will. Could be a very different team in the summer, possibly a good deal worse but who knows. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 07:45 - Dec 18 with 701 views | Tonto |
Yup. Only Duckett stays in the top 3. But im not sure who takes over. Im not convinced by Bethell | |
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| Ashes thread on 08:00 - Dec 18 with 681 views | daveB |
So disapointing but so predictable.
Stokes again showing how it should be done, I'd have moved him upto 3 and played Bashir for Pope. Englands batting is just pathetic though not really bazball aggressive and not really defending, it's just typical England in an away Ashes.
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| Ashes thread on 08:02 - Dec 18 with 674 views | Tonto |
I wknder if Key and McCullum survive to the summer... | |
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| Ashes thread on 08:02 - Dec 18 with 672 views | Clive_Anderson |
I never get excited about the Ashes in Australia, it's almost always like this from start to finish and it's in the middle of the night.
England's record out there the last 50 years must be absolutely abysmal. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 08:06 - Dec 18 with 667 views | Northernr |
| Ashes thread on 07:18 - Dec 18 by Tonto |
Sniko at it again. Im not saying the final result would be much different but Sniko has sure as hell made sure the Aussie win this. I didnt realsie that Sniko is differnet technology that we use here.
They made umpires neutral a while back. Should the technology be so too? The Aussie made and extra 50 runs plus as a result of the first error and Jamie Smith could have got a similar amount [Post edited 18 Dec 7:36]
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Can't wait for the VAR evangelists to tell me again how well it works in cricket. |  | | |
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| Ashes thread on 08:09 - Dec 18 with 663 views | stowmarketrange |
| Ashes thread on 08:02 - Dec 18 by Clive_Anderson |
I never get excited about the Ashes in Australia, it's almost always like this from start to finish and it's in the middle of the night.
England's record out there the last 50 years must be absolutely abysmal. |
We are still the last team to win an away Ashes series,although that was 15 years ago. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 09:04 - Dec 18 with 603 views | plasmahoop |
| Ashes thread on 07:45 - Dec 18 by Tonto |
Yup. Only Duckett stays in the top 3. But im not sure who takes over. Im not convinced by Bethell |
Sibley has improved since he last played apparently. I'm not sure about bethel either, but he needs to play some cricket early season for Warwickshire. Last summer he was basically on the sidelines watching | | | |
| Ashes thread on 09:15 - Dec 18 with 585 views | TheChef |
Aside from Root or maybe Stokes, none of them can apply themselves with the bat. Oh for a Cook/Trott/Collingwood to dig in and make the bowlers earn their wickets.
Once again we've prepared miserably for an Australia tour. McCullum and co just seem to have gone out of their way to ignore any previous experience of playing there. "We know better".
I hope he and Key go after this, but the ECB will be making the decisions and like most England sporting organisations they can't be trusted to do the right thing either.
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| Ashes thread on 09:30 - Dec 18 with 550 views | ozexile |
The preparation for an Ashes tour has been abysmal. We've come here completely undercooked. The bowlers haven't bowled for months and the bowling coach is in the middle east. There's no pressure on the batsman to perform as there's no one in the wings to take over. The batting coach is completely clueless about Aussie conditions.
The 5 day Noosa trip is a p take. This is an ashes series boys. It's genuinely almost like the players have no concept of the history of the ashes. And don't get me started on Brook. Vice captain contributing nothing on the pitch and giggling like a schoolboy in the press conference saying "Perhaps I should rein it in a bit".
I feel so sorry for the fans who have spent thousands ro follow this rabble of a team. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 09:38 - Dec 18 with 529 views | plasmahoop |
| Ashes thread on 09:30 - Dec 18 by ozexile |
The preparation for an Ashes tour has been abysmal. We've come here completely undercooked. The bowlers haven't bowled for months and the bowling coach is in the middle east. There's no pressure on the batsman to perform as there's no one in the wings to take over. The batting coach is completely clueless about Aussie conditions.
The 5 day Noosa trip is a p take. This is an ashes series boys. It's genuinely almost like the players have no concept of the history of the ashes. And don't get me started on Brook. Vice captain contributing nothing on the pitch and giggling like a schoolboy in the press conference saying "Perhaps I should rein it in a bit".
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Added to that we will play Bashir come what may, until the ashes, then we won't, but we don't have a reserve spinner. Don't get me wrong, I think will jack's can do a decent job for England in the moeen mould in the future, but it's crazy to just chuck him in in Adelaide as the only spinner. Cue Nathan Lyon with a few wickets second innings | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 09:51 - Dec 18 with 513 views | ozexile |
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| Ashes thread on 10:08 - Dec 18 with 486 views | Hunterhoop |
The thing is, there are lots of very good county players waiting in the wings. Loads of them.
But this set up doesn’t value county cricket so the casual England fan will not have heard or seen many of them.
Hameed is a completely different player to the one that last played for England. He averaged in the 66 as Notts’ opener as they won the CC this year, facing Div 1 attacks all season. He should play.
You could make a similar case for Dom Sibley, who, whilst not different, continues to score prolifically. Averaged 61 last season.
James Rew at Somerset is the best young batsmen I have seen play county cricket since Joe Root and Johnny Bairstow emerged at the same time at Yorkshire. Superb talent. He keeps for Somerset too, although I don’t actually rate his keeping much. He should be in the England side. Could be a great.
Jordan Cox at Kent is a better keeper and batsman than Jamie Smith. He should have that role.
Tom Haines and Emilio Gay are decent openers. The former has been doing it for years, is a leader, and is responsible. The latter is attacking with a high ceiling.
Ben Compton out scores Crawley in like for like matches every season at Kent.
Rehan Ahmed a young leggie who batted 3 for Leics as they steamrollered Div 2, averaging very well.
Tom Abell averaged over 50 this year, is a leader having captained Somerset for years from when he was 21. Knuckles down and delivered regularly.
Coles looks an extremely progressive cricketer.
Ed Barnard is an excellent, professional all rounder, even if his bowling is a little pedestrian for International cricket. Would say he is better than Beau Webster, Aus’ back up all rounder.
Lewis Gregory a similar sort of player, and a leader, who delivers in clutch moments.
Leach took 50 wickets in Div 1 at 23 this year. Took 40 off last year at 23. Basically since England dropped him, he has been by far the best spinner in county cricket, English or overseas. He’s out bowled Harmer who is SA’s first choice spinner now and who bowled them to victory in India.
The seam bowling stocks probably aren’t as deep as we’d like. England probably have the right crew involved. But that is a blip, I feel. England’s under 19s have been blessed with a very deep crop of seamers this year and last. There are very high hopes for Sharma at Middx becoming an England seamer.
The point is, there is huge depth. The problem is the set up has dismissed county cricket. The arrogance of Key, McCullum, and Stokes is beyond belief.
I actually want Stokes to stay as captain. But Key and McCullum have to go. Immediately. [Post edited 18 Dec 11:07]
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| Ashes thread on 10:35 - Dec 18 with 451 views | ozexile |
| Ashes thread on 10:08 - Dec 18 by Hunterhoop |
The thing is, there are lots of very good county players waiting in the wings. Loads of them.
But this set up doesn’t value county cricket so the casual England fan will not have heard or seen many of them.
Hameed is a completely different player to the one that last played for England. He averaged in the 66 as Notts’ opener as they won the CC this year, facing Div 1 attacks all season. He should play.
You could make a similar case for Dom Sibley, who, whilst not different, continues to score prolifically. Averaged 61 last season.
James Rew at Somerset is the best young batsmen I have seen play county cricket since Joe Root and Johnny Bairstow emerged at the same time at Yorkshire. Superb talent. He keeps for Somerset too, although I don’t actually rate his keeping much. He should be in the England side. Could be a great.
Jordan Cox at Kent is a better keeper and batsman than Jamie Smith. He should have that role.
Tom Haines and Emilio Gay are decent openers. The former has been doing it for years, is a leader, and is responsible. The latter is attacking with a high ceiling.
Ben Compton out scores Crawley in like for like matches every season at Kent.
Rehan Ahmed a young leggie who batted 3 for Leics as they steamrollered Div 2, averaging very well.
Tom Abell averaged over 50 this year, is a leader having captained Somerset for years from when he was 21. Knuckles down and delivered regularly.
Coles looks an extremely progressive cricketer.
Ed Barnard is an excellent, professional all rounder, even if his bowling is a little pedestrian for International cricket. Would say he is better than Beau Webster, Aus’ back up all rounder.
Lewis Gregory a similar sort of player, and a leader, who delivers in clutch moments.
Leach took 50 wickets in Div 1 at 23 this year. Took 40 off last year at 23. Basically since England dropped him, he has been by far the best spinner in county cricket, English or overseas. He’s out bowled Harmer who is SA’s first choice spinner now and who bowled them to victory in India.
The seam bowling stocks probably aren’t as deep as we’d like. England probably have the right crew involved. But that is a blip, I feel. England’s under 19s have been blessed with a very deep crop of seamers this year and last. There are very high hopes for Sharma at Middx becoming an England seamer.
The point is, there is huge depth. The problem is the set up has dismissed county cricket. The arrogance of Key, McCullum, and Stokes is beyond belief.
I actually want Stokes to stay as captain. But Key and McCullum have to go. Immediately. [Post edited 18 Dec 11:07]
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Thanks mate living over here I don't see anything of the county championship. It's good to know there's talent coming through.
You're so right about the arrogance. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:11 - Dec 18 with 406 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 09:38 - Dec 18 by plasmahoop |
Added to that we will play Bashir come what may, until the ashes, then we won't, but we don't have a reserve spinner. Don't get me wrong, I think will jack's can do a decent job for England in the moeen mould in the future, but it's crazy to just chuck him in in Adelaide as the only spinner. Cue Nathan Lyon with a few wickets second innings |
Stokes and McCullum’s Bashir “project” has failed abysmally. He couldn’t even get a county to play for last summer and when taken on the tour anyway went for 0-115 in England Lions hammering by Australia B thus making himself virtually unselectable even on the only turning wicket at Adelaide where we badly need a front line spinner. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:16 - Dec 18 with 400 views | Rsole |
| Ashes thread on 08:06 - Dec 18 by Northernr |
Can't wait for the VAR evangelists to tell me again how well it works in cricket. |
Some of your favourite technology might not be available….. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 11:19 - Dec 18 with 391 views | Tonto |
Some good thoughts there Hunter. I should probably change my commeny to "i dont see anyone challenging for a top 3 position under this management" | |
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| Ashes thread on 11:26 - Dec 18 with 378 views | plasmahoop |
| Ashes thread on 10:08 - Dec 18 by Hunterhoop |
The thing is, there are lots of very good county players waiting in the wings. Loads of them.
But this set up doesn’t value county cricket so the casual England fan will not have heard or seen many of them.
Hameed is a completely different player to the one that last played for England. He averaged in the 66 as Notts’ opener as they won the CC this year, facing Div 1 attacks all season. He should play.
You could make a similar case for Dom Sibley, who, whilst not different, continues to score prolifically. Averaged 61 last season.
James Rew at Somerset is the best young batsmen I have seen play county cricket since Joe Root and Johnny Bairstow emerged at the same time at Yorkshire. Superb talent. He keeps for Somerset too, although I don’t actually rate his keeping much. He should be in the England side. Could be a great.
Jordan Cox at Kent is a better keeper and batsman than Jamie Smith. He should have that role.
Tom Haines and Emilio Gay are decent openers. The former has been doing it for years, is a leader, and is responsible. The latter is attacking with a high ceiling.
Ben Compton out scores Crawley in like for like matches every season at Kent.
Rehan Ahmed a young leggie who batted 3 for Leics as they steamrollered Div 2, averaging very well.
Tom Abell averaged over 50 this year, is a leader having captained Somerset for years from when he was 21. Knuckles down and delivered regularly.
Coles looks an extremely progressive cricketer.
Ed Barnard is an excellent, professional all rounder, even if his bowling is a little pedestrian for International cricket. Would say he is better than Beau Webster, Aus’ back up all rounder.
Lewis Gregory a similar sort of player, and a leader, who delivers in clutch moments.
Leach took 50 wickets in Div 1 at 23 this year. Took 40 off last year at 23. Basically since England dropped him, he has been by far the best spinner in county cricket, English or overseas. He’s out bowled Harmer who is SA’s first choice spinner now and who bowled them to victory in India.
The seam bowling stocks probably aren’t as deep as we’d like. England probably have the right crew involved. But that is a blip, I feel. England’s under 19s have been blessed with a very deep crop of seamers this year and last. There are very high hopes for Sharma at Middx becoming an England seamer.
The point is, there is huge depth. The problem is the set up has dismissed county cricket. The arrogance of Key, McCullum, and Stokes is beyond belief.
I actually want Stokes to stay as captain. But Key and McCullum have to go. Immediately. [Post edited 18 Dec 11:07]
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Excellent post and excellent knowledge! I think with most things, there's a balance to be struck. It's ok to look for the attributes that you want, like bowling at a certain pace for example, but in just picking this way they have discarded so many players. They picked Sam cook but he was bowling at 77mph .Hameed as you say should come in, and probably Sibley too. I don't see why leach wasn't in the squad. They've made it a closed shop and fundamentally the likes of Crawley and pope are not good enough and it's all come crashing down now. Definitely time to include some more county players, providing their techniques look the part | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:32 - Dec 18 with 369 views | Rsole |
The worst thing about today is knowing that you will almost certainly witness the same shit in the second England innings….and then again in the next two test matches. | |
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| Ashes thread on 11:42 - Dec 18 with 352 views | johnhoop |
I think that England’s only hope of winning the Ashes back in the foreseeable future is if some of the players that Hunter’s named prove to be truly Test class and the Aussie replacements for their ageing frontline strike force of Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood Boland and Lyon aren’t anywhere near in the same class. Then at least it might be competitive. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 11:58 - Dec 18 with 318 views | Third_Division_South |
| Ashes thread on 10:08 - Dec 18 by Hunterhoop |
The thing is, there are lots of very good county players waiting in the wings. Loads of them.
But this set up doesn’t value county cricket so the casual England fan will not have heard or seen many of them.
Hameed is a completely different player to the one that last played for England. He averaged in the 66 as Notts’ opener as they won the CC this year, facing Div 1 attacks all season. He should play.
You could make a similar case for Dom Sibley, who, whilst not different, continues to score prolifically. Averaged 61 last season.
James Rew at Somerset is the best young batsmen I have seen play county cricket since Joe Root and Johnny Bairstow emerged at the same time at Yorkshire. Superb talent. He keeps for Somerset too, although I don’t actually rate his keeping much. He should be in the England side. Could be a great.
Jordan Cox at Kent is a better keeper and batsman than Jamie Smith. He should have that role.
Tom Haines and Emilio Gay are decent openers. The former has been doing it for years, is a leader, and is responsible. The latter is attacking with a high ceiling.
Ben Compton out scores Crawley in like for like matches every season at Kent.
Rehan Ahmed a young leggie who batted 3 for Leics as they steamrollered Div 2, averaging very well.
Tom Abell averaged over 50 this year, is a leader having captained Somerset for years from when he was 21. Knuckles down and delivered regularly.
Coles looks an extremely progressive cricketer.
Ed Barnard is an excellent, professional all rounder, even if his bowling is a little pedestrian for International cricket. Would say he is better than Beau Webster, Aus’ back up all rounder.
Lewis Gregory a similar sort of player, and a leader, who delivers in clutch moments.
Leach took 50 wickets in Div 1 at 23 this year. Took 40 off last year at 23. Basically since England dropped him, he has been by far the best spinner in county cricket, English or overseas. He’s out bowled Harmer who is SA’s first choice spinner now and who bowled them to victory in India.
The seam bowling stocks probably aren’t as deep as we’d like. England probably have the right crew involved. But that is a blip, I feel. England’s under 19s have been blessed with a very deep crop of seamers this year and last. There are very high hopes for Sharma at Middx becoming an England seamer.
The point is, there is huge depth. The problem is the set up has dismissed county cricket. The arrogance of Key, McCullum, and Stokes is beyond belief.
I actually want Stokes to stay as captain. But Key and McCullum have to go. Immediately. [Post edited 18 Dec 11:07]
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Plenty of good points made but for accuracy, Jordan Cox now plays for Essex | | | |
| Ashes thread on 12:29 - Dec 18 with 289 views | derbyhoop |
My 5-0 prediction after 1st Test is looking ominous. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 12:34 - Dec 18 with 276 views | Hunterhoop |
| Ashes thread on 11:58 - Dec 18 by Third_Division_South |
Plenty of good points made but for accuracy, Jordan Cox now plays for Essex |
Sorry, I actually meant to say Essex! Saw him play last season for them. Had Kent on the brain with some of the others. | | | |
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