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Reasons to be positive: We've got a few points in the bag. Manager appears to have realised that reliable, proven, key players are much needed in amongst the newbies.
Reasons to be worried: Manager's team selections and negative outlook. Nourry's influence.
What I'm hopeful for: Nourry's CV drive to pay off really quickly and a PL club swoop in for him. We get a proper Director of Football and the club can worry about the short-term just as much as the long-term.
Beans and CharlieB to return to this board and explain why Nourry's career-enhancing decisions (youngest ever side to throw away a cup competition, Walsh v Nardi, me me me in the puff piece press) are perfectly justified compared to Marti sounding out other clubs whilst being hounded out of this one.
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QPR - State of Play on 08:12 - Nov 18 with 2298 views
Not seen this mentioned but regarding the contract lengths isn't the reason for giving valued players long contracts likely to be to be able to spread their depreciation cost over long periods, which helps with the annual FFP situation, short term.
Yes. Becomes a problem if they’re not very good, though.
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QPR - State of Play on 08:15 - Nov 18 with 2282 views
Reasons to be positive: We've got a few points in the bag. Manager appears to have realised that reliable, proven, key players are much needed in amongst the newbies.
Reasons to be worried: Manager's team selections and negative outlook. Nourry's influence.
What I'm hopeful for: Nourry's CV drive to pay off really quickly and a PL club swoop in for him. We get a proper Director of Football and the club can worry about the short-term just as much as the long-term.
Beans and CharlieB to return to this board and explain why Nourry's career-enhancing decisions (youngest ever side to throw away a cup competition, Walsh v Nardi, me me me in the puff piece press) are perfectly justified compared to Marti sounding out other clubs whilst being hounded out of this one.
Those 2 Spice Girls will be back…they just need a little love to come back for more.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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QPR - State of Play on 08:28 - Nov 18 with 2220 views
Not seen this mentioned but regarding the contract lengths isn't the reason for giving valued players long contracts likely to be to be able to spread their depreciation cost over long periods, which helps with the annual FFP situation, short term.
I would imagine that sometimes it might be the case for new signings, where the transfer fee can be amortised but only worth it for a reasonable sum of money. Maybe Kone, Madsen, Saito, Celar etc.
I don’t think it would help much for an existing, contracted player like Field, Frey or Kolli. You would assume most extensions come with a pay rise and longer commitment to paying that increased salary.
And then you’d really be looking hard at loans and wages more - e.g. RND, Cook, Hayden etc who both must have a decent whack to cover each month. I assume that’s why the Cook extension wasn’t popular financially but I would expect RND isn’t far behind on wages, we just don’t know who’s paying them or if it’s split.
My simplistic view on contract durations is it’s better to keep them quiet for some people because if they are duds, they don’t want the exposure of ‘why did you sign Celar for so much money, over X years ?’
It feels somewhat similar to ‘Don’t tell them your name, Pike !’
Agents and journalist will know and/or find out so it’s hardly a competitive advantage, IMO.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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QPR - State of Play on 08:32 - Nov 18 with 2200 views
Reasons to be positive: We have points on the board and aren't playing catch up already, which is nice after the last few seasons! There should be enough decent players (Dunne, RND, Varane, Chair, Saito, Poku, Kone, Burrell) to put together half a decent side that has a fun season before ultimately ending up 12th
Reasons to be worried: Echo Clive's thoughts on the Nourry bots who seem intent on shouting down any criticism of the club. He's done some things well and some things badly, not sure why it's becoming this culture war. I don't think the youngsters are actually that good (Kolli, Morgan, Walsh and Esquardinha). They need to be out on loan and fast. The keeper situation is a farce, but easily fixed in Jan
What I am hopeful for: Some fun. I'd give my left bollock for us to be 2-0 up by 50 minutes on Saturday and just be able to enjoy the afternoon!
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QPR - State of Play on 09:36 - Nov 18 with 2000 views
It makes you realise how Lyle Lanley sold his monorails to Brockway, Ogdonville and North Haverbrook….
You have Michael Frey gifted millions of pounds, Lucas Andersen announcing to his LinkedIn followers that having left QPR he has lots of offers but ‘no longer needs to play for less than he’s worth’, Kolli on a long term, punchy contract banished and yet most supposedly don’t care about details of what we are committing to whom.
And you can guarantee that ‘the socials’ will be full of people demanding we blow ‘the Eze money’ on the next panancea striker every window for the next 5 years.
Yet point out that this money is gone and *this* is what we got and you’re deemed as simply negative.
Given they went pretty hot and heavy for Edwards on deadline day I think there's still a chunk of it left, but this summer, like the summer before it, wasn't cheap relative to our recent spend, and there's no sign of another Eze-like windfall any time soon. It'll be disappointing if we've spent years saying "when that Eze money comes in" and then when it did we spent it on a team that got us to... 16th in the Championship again.
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QPR - State of Play on 10:24 - Nov 18 with 1868 views
QPR - State of Play on 20:16 - Nov 17 by BrianMcCarthy
No, it's me as well.
It's a genuine reason for concern in my opinion.
Any long term contracts should only go to players we can expect to improve and sell on. No issue with Kolli or Burrell on long deals, although concern that Kolli seems to be out of favour. Long deals for Field and Frey don't make sense. Same would apply to Dunne, Chair.
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QPR - State of Play on 10:29 - Nov 18 with 1841 views
Posirtives -We have a better SQUAD than last season - We have more points than at this time last season - Our forward options are greatly improved
Worries - We are playing the same core players as last season, so it's not a particulary betterTEAM apart from upfront - A number of those players are not playing as well as last season (or not playing) & their valuation to other clubs would have decreased (Dunne, Morrison, Varane, Chair, Saito, Dembele, Field). This could greatly reduce future income. - The continual rotation in team selections. I believe that the head coach was employed on the condition that he carried this out, but he has gone overboard!
Hopes - That we end the non-winning run soon (this Saturday would be nice!) - Kone recaptures his early season form - I've not seen him play, but from his achievements for South Africa, that Smith is brought into the first team squad & that he has pace. - That all our remaining Saturday home matches kick off at 3.00pm!
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QPR - State of Play on 10:30 - Nov 18 with 1838 views
QPR - State of Play on 09:36 - Nov 18 by Northernr
Given they went pretty hot and heavy for Edwards on deadline day I think there's still a chunk of it left, but this summer, like the summer before it, wasn't cheap relative to our recent spend, and there's no sign of another Eze-like windfall any time soon. It'll be disappointing if we've spent years saying "when that Eze money comes in" and then when it did we spent it on a team that got us to... 16th in the Championship again.
Hope this spurs people on to realise how important players like Kolli and Esquerdinha are, even if they aren't the finished article right now.
Couple of lads saying 'but Norrington Davies is better' or 'his Dad is a nobhead' at the moment will be furious in 2030 when the austerity hits and we are full of 30 year olds with no sell on.
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QPR - State of Play on 11:19 - Nov 18 with 1703 views
QPR - State of Play on 10:29 - Nov 18 by derbyhoop
Any long term contracts should only go to players we can expect to improve and sell on. No issue with Kolli or Burrell on long deals, although concern that Kolli seems to be out of favour. Long deals for Field and Frey don't make sense. Same would apply to Dunne, Chair.
Agree with all of that.
Would also be concerned that we're paying big wages.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
It makes you realise how Lyle Lanley sold his monorails to Brockway, Ogdonville and North Haverbrook….
You have Michael Frey gifted millions of pounds, Lucas Andersen announcing to his LinkedIn followers that having left QPR he has lots of offers but ‘no longer needs to play for less than he’s worth’, Kolli on a long term, punchy contract banished and yet most supposedly don’t care about details of what we are committing to whom.
And you can guarantee that ‘the socials’ will be full of people demanding we blow ‘the Eze money’ on the next panancea striker every window for the next 5 years.
Yet point out that this money is gone and *this* is what we got and you’re deemed as simply negative.
We (you) don't know if the money's been spent, as we don't know the sum due nor when we received any Eze money.
If it has been spent, it's not been spent on Frey or Anderson's last contract. That's as likely as top of the table Swindon sacking Holloway. It's been spent on:
Kone (22) Poku (24) Saito (24) Burrell (24) Mbenge (23)
I reckon three months after buying those players, at those ages, they can safely still be seen as investments rather than waste.
I'm willing to bet with you that at least one of these players and/or Varane (24), Morgan (19), Dembele (22), Morrison (22) will be sold at a decent profit and therefore the money not have been blown.
Reasons to be positive: squad filled with talented young Championship players under the age of 25 who can all improve to a higher level. Nucleus there of something potentially great if they mature at same rate. Better off points-wise this Nov than last and still loads to improve on, with a manager who can also improve. It's only November.
Reasons to be worried: bloated squad that will breed bad vibes when most fit; wonky recruitment left key goalkeeping and full back spots a mess - especially Murph Cooper out on loan, so playing 37 year-old retiree in nets. Those young players need to play together to mature together as a team. Suspicious culture war vibes around club. Nourry: something of the night remains about him. It's only November.
What I'm hopeful for: a winning run, soon. Changes the picture for all.
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QPR - State of Play on 13:14 - Nov 18 with 1457 views
QPR - State of Play on 09:36 - Nov 18 by Northernr
Given they went pretty hot and heavy for Edwards on deadline day I think there's still a chunk of it left, but this summer, like the summer before it, wasn't cheap relative to our recent spend, and there's no sign of another Eze-like windfall any time soon. It'll be disappointing if we've spent years saying "when that Eze money comes in" and then when it did we spent it on a team that got us to... 16th in the Championship again.
Which is where, to repeat myself, good coaching (amongst other things, including managing injuries, luck, and fan support) comes in, otherwise there'd be a direct correlation between player spend and position. Which, as I've shown (with evidence), there isn't.
Apparently the wages are front loaded to year one and two then start decrease over 3, 4 and 5 with the promise they'll be sold before that.
If that’s the case, then that’s one of the strangest things I’ve heard of in football.
Doesn’t help with FFP Leaves the players in a weak negotiating position when they move Places all the risk on us finding someone who doesn’t need to time to adjust
I’m sure you could add a load more issues if you thought about it longer than I did and know more than me about the commercial logic.
Just doesn’t make sense to me - but what do I know.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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QPR - State of Play on 15:25 - Nov 18 with 1155 views
If that’s the case, then that’s one of the strangest things I’ve heard of in football.
Doesn’t help with FFP Leaves the players in a weak negotiating position when they move Places all the risk on us finding someone who doesn’t need to time to adjust
I’m sure you could add a load more issues if you thought about it longer than I did and know more than me about the commercial logic.
Just doesn’t make sense to me - but what do I know.
Heard of the reverse to be fair, pay low now, pay more later to fit FFP window.
See also Taylor Richards transfer fee.
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QPR - State of Play on 15:53 - Nov 18 with 1083 views
If that’s the case, then that’s one of the strangest things I’ve heard of in football.
Doesn’t help with FFP Leaves the players in a weak negotiating position when they move Places all the risk on us finding someone who doesn’t need to time to adjust
I’m sure you could add a load more issues if you thought about it longer than I did and know more than me about the commercial logic.
Just doesn’t make sense to me - but what do I know.
Could argue that it gives the player an incentive to do well and work hard to move on after a couple of years instead of going through the motions to run their contract down just to get a lucrative move as a free agent at the end of their contract.
In theory that should stop us losing the likes of Ryan Manning, Bright, Willock etc on the cheap when they run their contracts down.
The downside is that the player might lose their motivation after the first year when they're getting so much of their earning early in the contract.
All seems very speculative. Not sure I like it.
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QPR - State of Play on 15:56 - Nov 18 with 1076 views
Which is where, to repeat myself, good coaching (amongst other things, including managing injuries, luck, and fan support) comes in, otherwise there'd be a direct correlation between player spend and position. Which, as I've shown (with evidence), there isn't.
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You should probably share your analysis with the authors if Soccernomics and also with Deloitte. They've all shown that there is a high correlation between wages and league position.
Maybe there's something missing in their analysis that you could share with them.
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QPR - State of Play on 16:26 - Nov 18 with 994 views
The biggest disappointment for me this season (bar the CM failure) has been the lack of game time for Morgan and Kolli.
Putting aside the off pitch conspiracies, JS was brought in to bring these, and others, through to the 1st team. It's just been binned off at the first opportunity and that is really disappointing. One of the best things is watching youngsters breaking into the 1st team and something the club really banged on about doing. All excited at the beginning of the season, now nothing, not even 10 or 20 minute cameos. It's just bizarre.
And the loans have been absolutely appalling. Sutton at Morcambe, Tuck at Hampton. I mean really?
The biggest disappointment for me this season (bar the CM failure) has been the lack of game time for Morgan and Kolli.
Putting aside the off pitch conspiracies, JS was brought in to bring these, and others, through to the 1st team. It's just been binned off at the first opportunity and that is really disappointing. One of the best things is watching youngsters breaking into the 1st team and something the club really banged on about doing. All excited at the beginning of the season, now nothing, not even 10 or 20 minute cameos. It's just bizarre.
And the loans have been absolutely appalling. Sutton at Morcambe, Tuck at Hampton. I mean really?
The first bit was pretty inevitable. We always hype our youngsters and youth development only to discover they're not quite Championship level and then bin it off immediately. I said when everybody was getting hot and heavy about that Brentford game let's see how many play first team football.
The second bit is really poor, for a supposed development club.
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QPR - State of Play on 16:37 - Nov 18 with 934 views
The biggest disappointment for me this season (bar the CM failure) has been the lack of game time for Morgan and Kolli.
Putting aside the off pitch conspiracies, JS was brought in to bring these, and others, through to the 1st team. It's just been binned off at the first opportunity and that is really disappointing. One of the best things is watching youngsters breaking into the 1st team and something the club really banged on about doing. All excited at the beginning of the season, now nothing, not even 10 or 20 minute cameos. It's just bizarre.
And the loans have been absolutely appalling. Sutton at Morcambe, Tuck at Hampton. I mean really?
Perhaps they are not as good as was thought? Perhaps the standard of EDS football is non-league?
Or perhaps all that spiel from the club was hot air, helping to market the club and improve someone’s profile?
Or both…
What’s least likely is that they are good enough, and we have a head coach pointedly not picking them when a) the team is losing, and b) he works for a CEO who has spoken a lot about young player development. He’d play them if he thought they were good enough. And he’d certainly play them if he thought not doing so would get him the sack.
I suspect one or both the first two potential reasons.
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QPR - State of Play on 16:37 - Nov 18 with 933 views
QPR - State of Play on 16:30 - Nov 18 by Northernr
The first bit was pretty inevitable. We always hype our youngsters and youth development only to discover they're not quite Championship level and then bin it off immediately. I said when everybody was getting hot and heavy about that Brentford game let's see how many play first team football.
The second bit is really poor, for a supposed development club.
Yeah by all accounts they really cocked up the loans by leaving it too late for those players to join EFL teams, so the only options left were non-league teams.
And as mentioned ad nauseam it's disappointing how little game time Morgan and Kolli have had.
QPR - State of Play on 16:37 - Nov 18 by Hunterhoop
Perhaps they are not as good as was thought? Perhaps the standard of EDS football is non-league?
Or perhaps all that spiel from the club was hot air, helping to market the club and improve someone’s profile?
Or both…
What’s least likely is that they are good enough, and we have a head coach pointedly not picking them when a) the team is losing, and b) he works for a CEO who has spoken a lot about young player development. He’d play them if he thought they were good enough. And he’d certainly play them if he thought not doing so would get him the sack.
I suspect one or both the first two potential reasons.
Morgan England U20. That is an asset that we should be developing, not sitting him on the bench week after week doing/learning nothing. Were we not told, by Nourry and JS, to be patient with the youngsters as they will make mistakes while learning and to support them? Would do if we actually saw any of them, even 5 minutes would be good.
Completely disjointed between what the club say and the actions of the coach. Only going to end in one way.
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