| QPR - State of Play 13:33 - Nov 17 with 10967 views | Monkey_Roots |
Roughly a third of the way through the season - where's your head at?
So far it's been bad, awful, better, then really good, then poor, before settling on boring...
Reason to be positive:
The squad - its as competitive as its been for many a season.
Reason to be worried:
Inconsistent performances all round
What i'm hopeful for:
Now the internationals are done, we can settle into a bit of a rhythm. |  | | |  |
| QPR - State of Play on 17:10 - Nov 18 with 2619 views | TK1 |
| QPR - State of Play on 16:26 - Nov 18 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
The biggest disappointment for me this season (bar the CM failure) has been the lack of game time for Morgan and Kolli.
Putting aside the off pitch conspiracies, JS was brought in to bring these, and others, through to the 1st team. It's just been binned off at the first opportunity and that is really disappointing.
One of the best things is watching youngsters breaking into the 1st team and something the club really banged on about doing. All excited at the beginning of the season, now nothing, not even 10 or 20 minute cameos. It's just bizarre.
And the loans have been absolutely appalling. Sutton at Morcambe, Tuck at Hampton. I mean really? |
Kolli is 18 months younger than Kone and Dembele, two players he is directly competing with for starting places and two that he is going to struggle to dislodge - with Saito, Burrell, Chair, Poku, Smyth and Frey also ahead of him, all vying for at most four positions.
This season he should be doing what Kone and Dembele were doing at his age: having breakout seasons at Wycombe or Blackpool, playing 40 games and scoring and assisting a ton of goals. Then he returns midway through his four year contract and tears up the Championship in 25-26.
It's a massive failure of the club that he's not on loan in L1 or even L2 this season. It's nothing to do with the head coach who has better options and a very difficult job - but I think it's not a coincidence that the social media drums are keen to blame JS now, make it his fault. It's not. Club failure.
Morgan, I reckon he'll get a dozen games at least this season, at RB or midfield. Next season, he needs that loan too if not cemented. |  | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 17:21 - Nov 18 with 2563 views | TK1 |
| QPR - State of Play on 16:49 - Nov 18 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Morgan England U20. That is an asset that we should be developing, not sitting him on the bench week after week doing/learning nothing.
Were we not told, by Nourry and JS, to be patient with the youngsters as they will make mistakes while learning and to support them? Would do if we actually saw any of them, even 5 minutes would be good.
Completely disjointed between what the club say and the actions of the coach. Only going to end in one way. |
Yes, Morgan's an England U20 player. If you look at the U20 team that played Japan, only one player - the excellent Ndala at Hull, who's on loan from Man City - plays at Championship level more often than Morgan. Most of the others are on loan at lower level clubs from PL teams.
Morgan should be at Barnsley or Reading on loan this season. They can blame JS, they can sack him even for it. It's on Nourry and player development: the players will know. [Post edited 18 Nov 17:22]
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| QPR - State of Play on 18:55 - Nov 18 with 2390 views | Northernr |
| QPR - State of Play on 17:21 - Nov 18 by TK1 |
Yes, Morgan's an England U20 player. If you look at the U20 team that played Japan, only one player - the excellent Ndala at Hull, who's on loan from Man City - plays at Championship level more often than Morgan. Most of the others are on loan at lower level clubs from PL teams.
Morgan should be at Barnsley or Reading on loan this season. They can blame JS, they can sack him even for it. It's on Nourry and player development: the players will know. [Post edited 18 Nov 17:22]
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Been saying for weeks we should be on the phone to Wycombe and Luton pushing him as a January option.
We’ve done quite well with the artist formerly known as Murphy Mahoney, but other than that the loans are a shambles. What is Elijah Dixon Bonner doing at Morecambe (apart from fuming)?
How does Alfie Tuck go from playing all the initial first team pre season games right up to Perpignan, to then begging a game at Hampton? |  | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 19:02 - Nov 18 with 2370 views | kensalriser |
| QPR - State of Play on 15:25 - Nov 18 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Heard of the reverse to be fair, pay low now, pay more later to fit FFP window.
See also Taylor Richards transfer fee. [Post edited 19 Nov 10:50]
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Didn't go well with Tailor, though, we got right stitched up there. |  |
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| QPR - State of Play on 19:11 - Nov 18 with 2345 views | Rsole |
| QPR - State of Play on 18:55 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Been saying for weeks we should be on the phone to Wycombe and Luton pushing him as a January option.
We’ve done quite well with the artist formerly known as Murphy Mahoney, but other than that the loans are a shambles. What is Elijah Dixon Bonner doing at Morecambe (apart from fuming)?
How does Alfie Tuck go from playing all the initial first team pre season games right up to Perpignan, to then begging a game at Hampton? |
EDB smokes ? Very unprofessional and not exactly nutritious either.
Kids today. |  |
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| QPR - State of Play on 23:32 - Nov 18 with 2220 views | Burnleyhoop |
| QPR - State of Play on 18:44 - Nov 17 by stevec |
Aside of Madsen I’m struggling to think of any player who was here last season playing better this season.
I’m not convinced he has really changed the set up. It’s still 4 back, 2 centre mid, one up front and three behind though I’d grant you, Kone makes it a two up top at times, but still looks a very similar set up, crap passing out from the back, dispossess the ‘three’ and we’re in big trouble etc etc.
Think the players are starting to accept the formula doesn’t work long term and are losing belief in it.
Footballs changing and once again we may find ourselves behind the curve. |
I don’t think JS has come up with any particular system or model, or at least not one that he has stuck to for more than a couple of games. We don’t appear to have a specific style or shape that defines us as a team and this is exacerbated by the constant chopping and changing of personnel.
JS clearly hasn’t yet got to grips with the broad range and style of opposition across the Championship, which often necessitates a different and specific approach to each team we face. Until we have faced every team in the division, I suspect JS will continue to struggle with his team selections and how to adapt to the opposition from one game to the next.
I have no problem with changing up the selection if it is to counter a specific threat, or to obtain an advantage, but the changes appear random and of no obvious benefit. Ultimately, he is still learning on the fly and I don’t foresee much of an improvement until he truly understands the nature of this league and how best to utilise the players at his disposal. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 10:21 - Nov 19 with 1994 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| QPR - State of Play on 18:55 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Been saying for weeks we should be on the phone to Wycombe and Luton pushing him as a January option.
We’ve done quite well with the artist formerly known as Murphy Mahoney, but other than that the loans are a shambles. What is Elijah Dixon Bonner doing at Morecambe (apart from fuming)?
How does Alfie Tuck go from playing all the initial first team pre season games right up to Perpignan, to then begging a game at Hampton? |
QPR can’t force other clubs to take our players on loan though if they don’t want them.
And even if they do go out on loan a lot of them don’t play regularly.
And the players themselves need to firstly want to go out on loan and secondly put in the effort whilst at other clubs to justify being picked to play.
All of the above shows why our players rarely have successful loan spells elsewhere. |  | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 10:31 - Nov 19 with 1981 views | Hunterhoop |
| QPR - State of Play on 10:21 - Nov 19 by Ned_Kennedys |
QPR can’t force other clubs to take our players on loan though if they don’t want them.
And even if they do go out on loan a lot of them don’t play regularly.
And the players themselves need to firstly want to go out on loan and secondly put in the effort whilst at other clubs to justify being picked to play.
All of the above shows why our players rarely have successful loan spells elsewhere. |
Some of the players wanted to go out on loan.
Asked the club repeatedly to organise something.
Silence was deafening. Appears no efforts were made.
Perhaps other clubs could have approached us proactively and didn’t. However, my understanding was clubs tended to focus on who was on the block, so to speak, and we didn’t put anyone there. |  | | |
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| QPR - State of Play on 12:21 - Nov 19 with 1829 views | Loyalitat |
| QPR - State of Play on 17:10 - Nov 18 by TK1 |
Kolli is 18 months younger than Kone and Dembele, two players he is directly competing with for starting places and two that he is going to struggle to dislodge - with Saito, Burrell, Chair, Poku, Smyth and Frey also ahead of him, all vying for at most four positions.
This season he should be doing what Kone and Dembele were doing at his age: having breakout seasons at Wycombe or Blackpool, playing 40 games and scoring and assisting a ton of goals. Then he returns midway through his four year contract and tears up the Championship in 25-26.
It's a massive failure of the club that he's not on loan in L1 or even L2 this season. It's nothing to do with the head coach who has better options and a very difficult job - but I think it's not a coincidence that the social media drums are keen to blame JS now, make it his fault. It's not. Club failure.
Morgan, I reckon he'll get a dozen games at least this season, at RB or midfield. Next season, he needs that loan too if not cemented. |
In the case of Dembele, he hardly tore up divsion 1 with assists: 13 in 39.
More pertinently: the championship, I fail to see how he's better than Kolli based on the following: Kolli has achieved 4 goals and 3 assists, invert the numbers for Dembele's haul in the championship, in over 700 fewer minutes' playing time. Kolli has provided more goals and assists than £3 miilon Saito, again, in significantly fewer minutes of playing time.
It's a failure by the club in deliberately stymying the progress of a player who is already as good as the aforementioned. It's interesting to note that a third of the way into the championship season, Jimmy Dunne is our leading creative force with two actual goal assists! [Post edited 19 Nov 14:56]
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| QPR - State of Play on 12:24 - Nov 19 with 1806 views | lassel |
| QPR - State of Play on 09:36 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Given they went pretty hot and heavy for Edwards on deadline day I think there's still a chunk of it left, but this summer, like the summer before it, wasn't cheap relative to our recent spend, and there's no sign of another Eze-like windfall any time soon. It'll be disappointing if we've spent years saying "when that Eze money comes in" and then when it did we spent it on a team that got us to... 16th in the Championship again. |
Yeah I’d included singing Edwards in January as a given as they will need a panacea but the idea that this bunch of lads who play like they first met in the line for the brothel will all turn out fine because ‘the eze money’ is still to be spent is unfortunately a fallacy. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 12:27 - Nov 19 with 1805 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| QPR - State of Play on 10:21 - Nov 19 by Ned_Kennedys |
QPR can’t force other clubs to take our players on loan though if they don’t want them.
And even if they do go out on loan a lot of them don’t play regularly.
And the players themselves need to firstly want to go out on loan and secondly put in the effort whilst at other clubs to justify being picked to play.
All of the above shows why our players rarely have successful loan spells elsewhere. |
I can say with 100% certainty that some of the players are having to sort their own loans as the club didn't/wouldn't. | |
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| QPR - State of Play on 13:00 - Nov 19 with 1741 views | wombat |
| QPR - State of Play on 12:27 - Nov 19 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I can say with 100% certainty that some of the players are having to sort their own loans as the club didn't/wouldn't. |
WHY ?
Is it down to lack of exerince at the top ?
cant be arsed atttude by some williams nourry etc
the players that some bigged up to mega star staus last season arent actually as good as those biggin them up think ? |  |
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| QPR - State of Play on 13:36 - Nov 19 with 1696 views | oldmeadoniansR |
| QPR - State of Play on 18:55 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Been saying for weeks we should be on the phone to Wycombe and Luton pushing him as a January option.
We’ve done quite well with the artist formerly known as Murphy Mahoney, but other than that the loans are a shambles. What is Elijah Dixon Bonner doing at Morecambe (apart from fuming)?
How does Alfie Tuck go from playing all the initial first team pre season games right up to Perpignan, to then begging a game at Hampton? |
I simply find it hard to believe that Tuck is not being picked. I can only think it is because he is on loan and they want to play contract players. Although writing that it makes no sense. He is an upgrade on our current centre midfield. We have not won in nine and I dont think he has been in the squad for the last 5 or 6. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 14:51 - Nov 19 with 1605 views | TK1 |
| QPR - State of Play on 12:21 - Nov 19 by Loyalitat |
In the case of Dembele, he hardly tore up divsion 1 with assists: 13 in 39.
More pertinently: the championship, I fail to see how he's better than Kolli based on the following: Kolli has achieved 4 goals and 3 assists, invert the numbers for Dembele's haul in the championship, in over 700 fewer minutes' playing time. Kolli has provided more goals and assists than £3 miilon Saito, again, in significantly fewer minutes of playing time.
It's a failure by the club in deliberately stymying the progress of a player who is already as good as the aforementioned. It's interesting to note that a third of the way into the championship season, Jimmy Dunne is our leading creative force with two actual goal assists! [Post edited 19 Nov 14:56]
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At Blackpool, Dembele won both the players and supporters Player of the Year (and the junior supporters player of the year). This was based on his 13 assists and eight goals as a 20 year-old winger in L1 over 40 games in a middling team. He got badly injured at QPR - certainly worse than we ever let on - but he's already proven his potential at Blackpool.
Kolli desperately, clearly needs the same: a run of games in a L1 team where he's relied on to create and score.
All the QPR youth players of the last decade who've had careers at this level - Eze, Chair, Furlong, Dieng, Manning, even Lumley - had long, productive loans at L1 or L2. Otherwise, they don't make it. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 17:04 - Nov 19 with 1498 views | KensalT |
| QPR - State of Play on 12:21 - Nov 19 by Loyalitat |
In the case of Dembele, he hardly tore up divsion 1 with assists: 13 in 39.
More pertinently: the championship, I fail to see how he's better than Kolli based on the following: Kolli has achieved 4 goals and 3 assists, invert the numbers for Dembele's haul in the championship, in over 700 fewer minutes' playing time. Kolli has provided more goals and assists than £3 miilon Saito, again, in significantly fewer minutes of playing time.
It's a failure by the club in deliberately stymying the progress of a player who is already as good as the aforementioned. It's interesting to note that a third of the way into the championship season, Jimmy Dunne is our leading creative force with two actual goal assists! [Post edited 19 Nov 14:56]
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13 assists might not sound like much but if you look at the Championship data for last season only Tom Fellows and Josh Murphy (14 each) got more than that:
https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/2024-2025/stats/2024-2025-Championship-Stats#all_s
Only six players made double figures.
Chair was top for us with six assists. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 17:06 - Nov 19 with 1490 views | Northernr |
Also, another regular bugbear of mine, the official assists data is ridiculously harsh. Kireran Morgan didn't get an official assist for Michi Frey's goal at home to Luton last year for example. So 13 under those standards is A LOT. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 18:26 - Nov 19 with 1394 views | lassel |
| QPR - State of Play on 18:55 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
Been saying for weeks we should be on the phone to Wycombe and Luton pushing him as a January option.
We’ve done quite well with the artist formerly known as Murphy Mahoney, but other than that the loans are a shambles. What is Elijah Dixon Bonner doing at Morecambe (apart from fuming)?
How does Alfie Tuck go from playing all the initial first team pre season games right up to Perpignan, to then begging a game at Hampton? |
With the accepted proviso that the clubs in a shambolic state when it comes to finding decent loans for players, I don’t think the Dixon-Bonner thing is *that* weird….
He got bombed out by a Swedish second division club and sent back to train alone in England, he failed trials at Carlisle and Halifax this summer, I’d say a loan to Morecambe is a good result all things considered. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 20:19 - Nov 19 with 1308 views | 1JD |
| QPR - State of Play on 13:36 - Nov 19 by oldmeadoniansR |
I simply find it hard to believe that Tuck is not being picked. I can only think it is because he is on loan and they want to play contract players. Although writing that it makes no sense. He is an upgrade on our current centre midfield. We have not won in nine and I dont think he has been in the squad for the last 5 or 6. |
Tuck was subbed on 42 minutes in his last game, and hasn’t been seen since, suggesting an injury is the cause of omission? | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 21:18 - Nov 19 with 1238 views | Rsole |
| QPR - State of Play on 17:06 - Nov 19 by Northernr |
Also, another regular bugbear of mine, the official assists data is ridiculously harsh. Kireran Morgan didn't get an official assist for Michi Frey's goal at home to Luton last year for example. So 13 under those standards is A LOT. |
Cancelled by the assist for Cov. Fair dos. | |
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| QPR - State of Play on 00:19 - Nov 20 with 1106 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| QPR - State of Play on 12:27 - Nov 19 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I can say with 100% certainty that some of the players are having to sort their own loans as the club didn't/wouldn't. |
You can say with certainty can you?
Which players are those?
And those players would not have the authority to arrange their own loans would they. | | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 10:29 - Nov 20 with 913 views | QPRtampa |
This is a very interesting thread to read and wend through.
On paper, we arguably have one of our best squads in years. So why aren't we doing better thus far this season?
My two cents:
Nardi is done. Shame. given he was decent last season, but he's now afraid to police and own the box -- reminds me a bit of Lumley.
Hamer is better, but represents a bandaid not a fix. Whether we get a new number 1 in January or this summer should be a foregone conclusion.
IF JCS doesn't get back into the flow by the turn of the year, we've got to turn the page and go after an Edwards-type to fill the void. Hopefully one with a bit of speed.
Dunne far too slow and lacking nimbleness at RB for a fast-paced attack. Keep him at CB.
Field is one of our best shot blockers but will not change his sideways and backwards passing style of play. Tempting to retrain him at CB.
Varane must be coached up to get on the front foot more often. Real talent there. But it doesn't translate at game time.
Frey needs to be sold. He's a complete misfit for the squad as currently composed.
Kolli? This is maddening. Someone has it in for him, and yet he's far and away a faster and more dangerous threat than Frey yet can't make the bench (even over Bennie).
Dembele either starts scoring regularly or he's benched/sold off because he refuses to play ANY defense.
JS? Stop futzing around with the lineups (done in part to satiate all the players on the squad), and mandate one basic style of play backed by a fairly set team of players who can support a faster paced, up the field, style of play. We've become boring of late because the coach has allowed it.
And can we PLEASE have some sense of tactics on corner and free kicks.
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| QPR - State of Play on 11:08 - Nov 20 with 837 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| QPR - State of Play on 10:29 - Nov 20 by QPRtampa |
This is a very interesting thread to read and wend through.
On paper, we arguably have one of our best squads in years. So why aren't we doing better thus far this season?
My two cents:
Nardi is done. Shame. given he was decent last season, but he's now afraid to police and own the box -- reminds me a bit of Lumley.
Hamer is better, but represents a bandaid not a fix. Whether we get a new number 1 in January or this summer should be a foregone conclusion.
IF JCS doesn't get back into the flow by the turn of the year, we've got to turn the page and go after an Edwards-type to fill the void. Hopefully one with a bit of speed.
Dunne far too slow and lacking nimbleness at RB for a fast-paced attack. Keep him at CB.
Field is one of our best shot blockers but will not change his sideways and backwards passing style of play. Tempting to retrain him at CB.
Varane must be coached up to get on the front foot more often. Real talent there. But it doesn't translate at game time.
Frey needs to be sold. He's a complete misfit for the squad as currently composed.
Kolli? This is maddening. Someone has it in for him, and yet he's far and away a faster and more dangerous threat than Frey yet can't make the bench (even over Bennie).
Dembele either starts scoring regularly or he's benched/sold off because he refuses to play ANY defense.
JS? Stop futzing around with the lineups (done in part to satiate all the players on the squad), and mandate one basic style of play backed by a fairly set team of players who can support a faster paced, up the field, style of play. We've become boring of late because the coach has allowed it.
And can we PLEASE have some sense of tactics on corner and free kicks.
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Ya...but APART from all that it's our best squad in years, right?
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| QPR - State of Play on 12:30 - Nov 20 with 716 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR - State of Play on 23:32 - Nov 18 by Burnleyhoop |
I don’t think JS has come up with any particular system or model, or at least not one that he has stuck to for more than a couple of games. We don’t appear to have a specific style or shape that defines us as a team and this is exacerbated by the constant chopping and changing of personnel.
JS clearly hasn’t yet got to grips with the broad range and style of opposition across the Championship, which often necessitates a different and specific approach to each team we face. Until we have faced every team in the division, I suspect JS will continue to struggle with his team selections and how to adapt to the opposition from one game to the next.
I have no problem with changing up the selection if it is to counter a specific threat, or to obtain an advantage, but the changes appear random and of no obvious benefit. Ultimately, he is still learning on the fly and I don’t foresee much of an improvement until he truly understands the nature of this league and how best to utilise the players at his disposal. |
JS gives it large about having watched all the other Champ teams forensically in service of his emphasis on coaching 'detail', but I'm not buying it. He only ever speaks in broad brush-strokes about the opposition pre-match, has clearly been out-thought or tactically outmaneouvred in games, and I think he's winging it. Right now, and for the foreseeable, this is an under-achieving, underwhelming, lower-half team. Talk about deja-vu! [Post edited 20 Nov 15:33]
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| QPR - State of Play on 12:54 - Nov 20 with 656 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| QPR - State of Play on 12:30 - Nov 20 by stainrods_elbow |
JS gives it large about having watched all the other Champ teams forensically in service of his emphasis on coaching 'detail', but I'm not buying it. He only ever speaks in broad brush-strokes about the opposition pre-match, has clearly been out-thought or tactically outmaneouvred in games, and I think he's winging it. Right now, and for the foreseeable, this is an under-achieving, underwhelming, lower-half team. Talk about deja-vu! [Post edited 20 Nov 15:33]
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What's the point of researching the opposition's weaknesses forensically if you go on camera and tell everyone about it? |  | | |
| QPR - State of Play on 13:02 - Nov 20 with 623 views | Rsole |
| QPR - State of Play on 12:54 - Nov 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
What's the point of researching the opposition's weaknesses forensically if you go on camera and tell everyone about it? |
And lose anyway…. | |
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