| Time to go? on 14:55 - Apr 13 with 3353 views | Laveritty |
| Time to go? on 12:07 - Apr 13 by ChaffRAFC |
I'm not running the country, enforcing the rules and laws
First ever sitting prime minister to be done for breaking the law.
That in itself should be reason for removal let alone a resignation. How many times has he openly lied in parliament? Deliberately misleading parliament should be a resignation matter. |
Not forgetting of course his recent attempt to discredit Keir Starmer with an embarrassing, totally unfounded and factually incorrect smear in relation to the (non) prosecution of Jimmy Savile!
Tried to pass it off as an error of judgement (where have we heard that in the last 24 hours?) but he knew exactly what he was doing! |  |
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| Time to go? on 15:01 - Apr 13 with 3336 views | rafc_ryan |
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| Time to go? on 21:55 - Apr 13 with 3119 views | jonahwhereru |
| Time to go? on 09:54 - Apr 13 by NorthernDale |
Yes, Boris broke the rules and as been fined, but so as so many other MP's (and not been fined), even Starmer was caught having a drink with other MP's after a meeting (but the police said nothing wrong, would that have occurred if it was me and you?), Sturgeon was also caught breaking the rules, but she held on to her job. The only politician, I know of, who as not broken the rules is Drakeford and who would invite him for a drink or out to a party? How many of whose obey the rules and did not meet up with friends? I find the hypocrisy of the media shocking, was it not Beth Rigby and colleagues who were caught attending a meal, did they resign?
We all know that the political, media and Metropolitan elite have got it for Boris, for delivering the Brexit vote and getting through Parliament. There as been constant attacks since 2016 and to quote Lord Adonis 'get rid of Boris, get rid of Brexit'. Yes, Boris and Carrie (who for a PR consultant) have been silly to make so many errors of judgements that as allowed his enemies to go for them. Yes, he may have mislead or lied to the public, but name a politician who as not, Starmer and Labour, said we should join the European vaccination scheme and then said they did not, they demanded stricter lockdown rules and even wanted to be extended, yet the other week, said they opposed the lockdowns, what hypocrisy! Should they resign for lying? I saw a Poll this morning that showed that 67% of people said Boris should stay as PM, it is a pity that the elite do not listen to the people, because they have their own agenda.
I think Boris is safe for the time being, because who as the personalty in politics like him, Labour's Starmer has the leadership skills and management skills of a middle manager in the civil service, Gove is a safe pair of hands and so is Ben Wallace, but that is all you can say about them. So there is no one to challenge him in the Tory party and the modern labour party cannot be taken serious, with politicians like Rayner and seem more interested in partygate, inability to define a woman and woke issues, then serious issues impacting on the country. We need a government that is focused on dealing with the aftermath of the pandemic, rebuilding the economy, dealing with the cost of living crisis (which Sunak as failed to do, so far) and the war in the Ukraine. So I would keep with Boris, because he is the best of a bad bunch. |
Truly believe he is the worst of a moderate, not bad, bunch. He has prospered on the basis of keep you friends close and your enemies even closer. Appointing him as Foreign Sec cause at ripple of laughter in a White House press conference when the spokesman was asked to comment from America’s perspective. That job did’t go well, ask Mrs Ratcliffe.
What’s the saying “regret the things you haven’t done not the things you have done”. I reckon the Tory rank and file will regret not choosing Hunt of the two in the end.
As for the establishment being against him because of Brexit that has no bearing on his level of competence. Brexit was a pipe dream when he stuffed up two journalist jobs by writing falsehoods about people. One of whom was actually a relative. He is always the architect of his own downfall.
I”ll give you this though he is the luckiest PM I have know. The other saying is better to be lucky than good. | | | |
| Time to go? on 19:05 - Apr 15 with 2800 views | JumeirahDale |
| Time to go? on 11:49 - Apr 13 by standale |
no whataboutary, people claiming some one should lose their job if they tell lies, but only if it suits their political persuasions, so it seems,
hypocrisy is the term ATP should be posting about |
I doorknocked for Liz Truss when I was 18 in Halifax. I'm not proud of it these days, but I was young, stupid and manipulated.
I've voted for both parties in my life. Boris is a self-serving, dishonest, coke-snorting, egotistical, thick-as-fook (swored, soz) chancer.
This is about far more than f*cking political persuasions. |  | | |
| Time to go? on 19:40 - Apr 15 with 2729 views | nordenblue |
| Time to go? on 19:05 - Apr 15 by JumeirahDale |
I doorknocked for Liz Truss when I was 18 in Halifax. I'm not proud of it these days, but I was young, stupid and manipulated.
I've voted for both parties in my life. Boris is a self-serving, dishonest, coke-snorting, egotistical, thick-as-fook (swored, soz) chancer.
This is about far more than f*cking political persuasions. |
Perfect description 👌 | | | |
| Time to go? on 19:52 - Apr 15 with 2665 views | since58 |
| Time to go? on 19:40 - Apr 15 by nordenblue |
Perfect description 👌 |
Still stupid!!! | | | |
| Time to go? on 21:04 - Apr 15 with 2560 views | nordenblue |
| Time to go? on 19:52 - Apr 15 by since58 |
Still stupid!!! |
He certainly is, very much so  | | | |
| Time to go? on 21:23 - Apr 15 with 2508 views | rich_dale |
| Time to go? on 19:40 - Apr 15 by nordenblue |
Perfect description 👌 |
Yep perfect description, he's clearly always been a chancer and serial liar, that was obvious from early on, way before he was PM. He'll do anything to deflect and save his own skin rather than own up to his own wrongdoings - the cynically timed Rwanda policy being the latest example, trying to push the same populist Brexit buttons that won him the election.
The level of corruption is horrendous as well, on the level that many on the right would be appalled by if it was carried out by a 'socialist' - taxpayers' money being wasted on vanity, or nationalist, projects, and siphoned into the bank accounts of rich cronies. Where is the public outcry about that. Most seem more bothered about 'migrants'. It's enough to make you yearn for the days of John Major, or at least someone with a shred of integrity.
It's baffling how many people want to defend him, and usually because he has a 'personality' which seems to equate to smiling sometimes and having messy hair. The rest of the world thinks he's an idiot. There are a few Tory MPs who have spoken out against him and have clearly had enough of being led by a thug but too many seem happy to just toe the line. Helped by the fact that he's constructed a government of like-minded thugs. | | | |
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| Time to go? on 21:27 - Apr 15 with 2488 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go? on 21:23 - Apr 15 by rich_dale |
Yep perfect description, he's clearly always been a chancer and serial liar, that was obvious from early on, way before he was PM. He'll do anything to deflect and save his own skin rather than own up to his own wrongdoings - the cynically timed Rwanda policy being the latest example, trying to push the same populist Brexit buttons that won him the election.
The level of corruption is horrendous as well, on the level that many on the right would be appalled by if it was carried out by a 'socialist' - taxpayers' money being wasted on vanity, or nationalist, projects, and siphoned into the bank accounts of rich cronies. Where is the public outcry about that. Most seem more bothered about 'migrants'. It's enough to make you yearn for the days of John Major, or at least someone with a shred of integrity.
It's baffling how many people want to defend him, and usually because he has a 'personality' which seems to equate to smiling sometimes and having messy hair. The rest of the world thinks he's an idiot. There are a few Tory MPs who have spoken out against him and have clearly had enough of being led by a thug but too many seem happy to just toe the line. Helped by the fact that he's constructed a government of like-minded thugs. |
When i refer to 'personality' i'm referring to the ability to withstand once-in-a-century crises, come through unscathed, and move on
Don't expect his critics to fathom that
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| Time to go? on 21:39 - Apr 15 with 2461 views | rich_dale |
| Time to go? on 21:27 - Apr 15 by D_Alien |
When i refer to 'personality' i'm referring to the ability to withstand once-in-a-century crises, come through unscathed, and move on
Don't expect his critics to fathom that
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How has he 'withstood' crises? Called the first lockdown way too late. He's only 'unscathed' because he's got enough weak willed supporters, a fair bit of media backing, and zero nobility to cause him to resign or leave his post. Also he's thrown a few people under the bus along the way to protect himself, and will continue to do that. | | | |
| Time to go? on 22:08 - Apr 15 with 2418 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go? on 21:39 - Apr 15 by rich_dale |
How has he 'withstood' crises? Called the first lockdown way too late. He's only 'unscathed' because he's got enough weak willed supporters, a fair bit of media backing, and zero nobility to cause him to resign or leave his post. Also he's thrown a few people under the bus along the way to protect himself, and will continue to do that. |
I'd defy any of you to name a UK politician in the last 30 years who'd still be standing, ready and willing to fight another day after the battering he's taken. Of course, it's his choice to be in that position, but not a single one of you could get anywhere near that level of determination to see things through
Referring to decisions taken during multiple crises is purely a matter of speculation, and of course you have all the facts at your disposal.......... don't you?
Criticism is oh so easy. He's even been called "thick as f*ck". Hmmm... i read that with a massive slice of irony | |
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| Time to go? on 22:21 - Apr 15 with 2390 views | rich_dale |
| Time to go? on 22:08 - Apr 15 by D_Alien |
I'd defy any of you to name a UK politician in the last 30 years who'd still be standing, ready and willing to fight another day after the battering he's taken. Of course, it's his choice to be in that position, but not a single one of you could get anywhere near that level of determination to see things through
Referring to decisions taken during multiple crises is purely a matter of speculation, and of course you have all the facts at your disposal.......... don't you?
Criticism is oh so easy. He's even been called "thick as f*ck". Hmmm... i read that with a massive slice of irony |
There's no nobility in politics these days, otherwise he would have resigned, and his party are too toothless to remove him. The 'battering' he's taken has been due to his own behaviour, he's been hanging on like a pathetic limpet, nothing to admire about that. And the mainstream media have done their best to protect him. Imagine a Labour leader doing what he's done, he'd have been hounded out of office by now.
Wouldn't say he's thick, he's clever enough to know how to progress himself, and to do everything to save his position. But he's (supposed to be) a politician. Granted there are many career politicians out there, but there are also many that want to try to help society and make a positive difference to people's lives. Johnson is the opposite of that. | | | |
| Time to go? on 22:32 - Apr 15 with 2348 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go? on 22:21 - Apr 15 by rich_dale |
There's no nobility in politics these days, otherwise he would have resigned, and his party are too toothless to remove him. The 'battering' he's taken has been due to his own behaviour, he's been hanging on like a pathetic limpet, nothing to admire about that. And the mainstream media have done their best to protect him. Imagine a Labour leader doing what he's done, he'd have been hounded out of office by now.
Wouldn't say he's thick, he's clever enough to know how to progress himself, and to do everything to save his position. But he's (supposed to be) a politician. Granted there are many career politicians out there, but there are also many that want to try to help society and make a positive difference to people's lives. Johnson is the opposite of that. |
And that's why he's been voted in as London Mayor (twice) and PM, with a huge majority?
If the Tories have the good sense to keep him as leader he'll do the same at the next general election. (The local elections in May are a different matter - they're always a protest against the incumbent government whatever's happening)
I have faith in the great British public (overall) to make the right decisions about who they think should be in office. I'm under no illusions whatsoever about his behaviour, neither are those who continually vote him in. Unless you'd prefer a system that only votes in those who you think are "fit for office"?
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| Time to go? on 22:47 - Apr 15 with 2313 views | rich_dale |
| Time to go? on 22:32 - Apr 15 by D_Alien |
And that's why he's been voted in as London Mayor (twice) and PM, with a huge majority?
If the Tories have the good sense to keep him as leader he'll do the same at the next general election. (The local elections in May are a different matter - they're always a protest against the incumbent government whatever's happening)
I have faith in the great British public (overall) to make the right decisions about who they think should be in office. I'm under no illusions whatsoever about his behaviour, neither are those who continually vote him in. Unless you'd prefer a system that only votes in those who you think are "fit for office"?
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Just because someone wins votes to get into office doesn't mean they have a desire to serve the public and help people. He knows how to gain popularity - switching to the Brexit camp was a calculated career move, as is his cultivated 'personality'. The Tories spend pretty much all their time thinking about how to gain power, how to keep power, and how to cover their arses for all the things they do that don't benefit the country and the public. He may well win the next GE, there are enough dupable voters out there. Plus large elements of the media that will back him, which is a huge factor. | | | |
| Time to go? on 10:13 - Apr 16 with 2038 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go? on 22:47 - Apr 15 by rich_dale |
Just because someone wins votes to get into office doesn't mean they have a desire to serve the public and help people. He knows how to gain popularity - switching to the Brexit camp was a calculated career move, as is his cultivated 'personality'. The Tories spend pretty much all their time thinking about how to gain power, how to keep power, and how to cover their arses for all the things they do that don't benefit the country and the public. He may well win the next GE, there are enough dupable voters out there. Plus large elements of the media that will back him, which is a huge factor. |
So i was right about that as well?
You want a system where only those you think are fit for office are voted in power
Must be bloody awful living in the UK! | |
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| Time to go? on 11:46 - Apr 16 with 1954 views | rich_dale |
| Time to go? on 10:13 - Apr 16 by D_Alien |
So i was right about that as well?
You want a system where only those you think are fit for office are voted in power
Must be bloody awful living in the UK! |
It'd just be nice to be represented by public servants who have honesty and integrity and are passionate about trying to improve people's lives - rather than unscrupulous, self-serving, power-hungry egomaniacs, that's all. | | | |
| Time to go? on 11:59 - Apr 16 with 1938 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go? on 11:46 - Apr 16 by rich_dale |
It'd just be nice to be represented by public servants who have honesty and integrity and are passionate about trying to improve people's lives - rather than unscrupulous, self-serving, power-hungry egomaniacs, that's all. |
What'd be nice and what's most effective in the battle of wills against competing (and often malign) forces are two very different things
I'll take someone who has the bottle to take anything on, and do so willingly, over "nice" anytime - always providing its in what imo are the best interests of the UK
We can certainly disagree on what those best interests are, but i fear you're railing against the reality of power. Or, you might wish to ask the Ukrainians (certainly their President) how they feel about BJ. At a guess, i reckon you'd regard Boris' actions in their interests as grandstanding and a photo opportunity
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| Time to go? on 12:25 - Apr 16 with 1910 views | rich_dale |
| Time to go? on 11:59 - Apr 16 by D_Alien |
What'd be nice and what's most effective in the battle of wills against competing (and often malign) forces are two very different things
I'll take someone who has the bottle to take anything on, and do so willingly, over "nice" anytime - always providing its in what imo are the best interests of the UK
We can certainly disagree on what those best interests are, but i fear you're railing against the reality of power. Or, you might wish to ask the Ukrainians (certainly their President) how they feel about BJ. At a guess, i reckon you'd regard Boris' actions in their interests as grandstanding and a photo opportunity
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He doesn't have the interests of the country at heart, only his own. Can't say he has 'bottle' either, he comes across as a squirming, irresponsible coward. He's always been a lying opportunist who will do what he thinks is right to further his own cause - this has become a pretty universally accepted truth, even for some within his own party. | | | |
| Time to go? on 12:57 - Apr 16 with 1871 views | YadHoDale |
"I'd defy any of you to name a UK politician in the last 30 years who'd still be standing, ready and willing to fight another day after the battering he's taken"
Jeremy Corbyn?
Or, from across the parties, people of integrity, such as David Davis (C), Wera Hobhouse (LD), Richard Burgon (Lab) or the de facto Leader of the Opposition, Ian Blackford (SNP).
All have principles, which to Johnson (and Starmer for that matter) don't exist... |  | | |
| Time to go? on 13:39 - Apr 16 with 1814 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go? on 12:57 - Apr 16 by YadHoDale |
"I'd defy any of you to name a UK politician in the last 30 years who'd still be standing, ready and willing to fight another day after the battering he's taken"
Jeremy Corbyn?
Or, from across the parties, people of integrity, such as David Davis (C), Wera Hobhouse (LD), Richard Burgon (Lab) or the de facto Leader of the Opposition, Ian Blackford (SNP).
All have principles, which to Johnson (and Starmer for that matter) don't exist... |
None of whom have actually been in the hot seat during one of the most turbulent periods (outside actual war) for the UK in living memory. That makes a huge difference
None of them have been tested in the furnace of ultimate responsibility, i.e. political power. To do so, keep your mental equilibrium and move on without rancour is a feat of huge political skill and resourcefulness
There's plenty of people waiting in the wings who're happy to talk a principled game - then reality hits. I (and, it seems, the electorate) would dread to think of the sinkhole the UK would collapse into with some of those names you've mentioned in actual charge
Instead, we're coming out of the other side of the constitutional crisis that was Brexit, the pandemic is starting to recede and BJ is gaining a lot of credit with his steadfast support for Ukraine
The economy can now be rebalanced away from having to put most of the country into furlough and towards starting to pay down those bills, instead of leaving them for future generations (or an incoming Tory government) to pick up, as Labour does every single time | |
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| Time to go? on 19:47 - Apr 16 with 1626 views | EllDale |
| Time to go? on 12:57 - Apr 16 by YadHoDale |
"I'd defy any of you to name a UK politician in the last 30 years who'd still be standing, ready and willing to fight another day after the battering he's taken"
Jeremy Corbyn?
Or, from across the parties, people of integrity, such as David Davis (C), Wera Hobhouse (LD), Richard Burgon (Lab) or the de facto Leader of the Opposition, Ian Blackford (SNP).
All have principles, which to Johnson (and Starmer for that matter) don't exist... |
The same Wera Hobhouse who used to be a councillor in Norden/Bamford?
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| Time to go? on 20:53 - Apr 16 with 1537 views | nordenblue |
| Time to go? on 12:25 - Apr 16 by rich_dale |
He doesn't have the interests of the country at heart, only his own. Can't say he has 'bottle' either, he comes across as a squirming, irresponsible coward. He's always been a lying opportunist who will do what he thinks is right to further his own cause - this has become a pretty universally accepted truth, even for some within his own party. |
I find it more amazing there's still folk genuinely willing to try and defend such an absolute hypocritical, self serving, deceitful tosser......
An ex employer who seems to know him fairly well.
His former employer, Max Hastings.
"Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade. In a commonplace book the other day, I came across an observation made in 1750 by a contemporary savant, Bishop Berkeley: “It is impossible that a man who is false to his friends and neighbours should be true to the public.” Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." | | | |
| Time to go? on 21:56 - Apr 16 with 1448 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go? on 20:53 - Apr 16 by nordenblue |
I find it more amazing there's still folk genuinely willing to try and defend such an absolute hypocritical, self serving, deceitful tosser......
An ex employer who seems to know him fairly well.
His former employer, Max Hastings.
"Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade. In a commonplace book the other day, I came across an observation made in 1750 by a contemporary savant, Bishop Berkeley: “It is impossible that a man who is false to his friends and neighbours should be true to the public.” Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him." |
Amazing googling, nb!
What do you reckon to Berkeley's theory on immateriality?
Have you come across any instances where you've perceived something and thought it might not actually exist recently?
I sometimes think that when watching Dale defend set pieces | |
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| Time to go? on 21:59 - Apr 16 with 1436 views | jonahwhereru |
| Time to go? on 22:08 - Apr 15 by D_Alien |
I'd defy any of you to name a UK politician in the last 30 years who'd still be standing, ready and willing to fight another day after the battering he's taken. Of course, it's his choice to be in that position, but not a single one of you could get anywhere near that level of determination to see things through
Referring to decisions taken during multiple crises is purely a matter of speculation, and of course you have all the facts at your disposal.......... don't you?
Criticism is oh so easy. He's even been called "thick as f*ck". Hmmm... i read that with a massive slice of irony |
When you have an unshakeable believe that you have never made a mistake, and the world is your puppet I imagine it would be easy to face into the next day.
Hitler and Trump are two other like that who spring to mind. | | | |
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