| Is it Hamer time? 08:58 - Oct 26 with 26543 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Every time that ball goes in the box my heart is in my mouth, Nardi appears welded to his goal line.
Opposition have clearly done their homework on him and he is costing us points big time.
I know some will say defensively we should be better, but it must be a nightmare defending in front of him. I mean not claiming a ball in your own 6 yard box!
Maybe Hamer should have a go? |  |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 21:25 - Oct 26 with 2219 views | Northernr |
| Is it Hamer time? on 21:21 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
It’s nothing like being replaced by the work experience lad. Footballers get dropped all the time and have to fight to get back in the side / squad. I’m not saying it hasn’t had an impact on him, who knows. Same thing happened to Cook and he’s reacted well. The issues with Nardi this season are same as last. More clubs just aware of it. |
I'm not sure Cook's playing particularly well either. |  | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 21:50 - Oct 26 with 2110 views | daveB |
| Is it Hamer time? on 19:45 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
Were we trying to get rid of him? I thought he was told he was going to be number 2 to Walsh. In any event, as footballers, that’s exactly type of thing they have to deal with. |
Of course we were, he was told he could go
Of course players have to deal with that but it usually affects performance, we saw it with Paal last season |  | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 22:00 - Oct 26 with 2081 views | daveB |
| Is it Hamer time? on 20:55 - Oct 26 by gazza1 |
I have just listened to the Hoopster post.......have a listen to the first few minutes Dave and his comments about the goal that we conceded. |
yeah watched it earlier, I agree Nardi could have come for it but when he doesn't Norrington Davies could have done a lot better to stop the first header and someone anyone could have tracked Morris to stop him walking in to a tap in. I'll stick with it's not all on Nardi, he's partly to blame but not fully for me. It was a collective piss poor goal to concede. | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 22:18 - Oct 26 with 2015 views | Jigsore |
| Is it Hamer time? on 21:21 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
It’s nothing like being replaced by the work experience lad. Footballers get dropped all the time and have to fight to get back in the side / squad. I’m not saying it hasn’t had an impact on him, who knows. Same thing happened to Cook and he’s reacted well. The issues with Nardi this season are same as last. More clubs just aware of it. |
the most illustrious part of Joe Walsh's career is 7 appearances for Accrington in LEAGUE 2 a few years back. Sure, it's different for goalkeepers but he's barely played any senior football at all.
It's definitely a slap in the face to a keeper in Nardi with 300 appearances, who's moved his family nowt but a year ago to be here. You aren't making bank off an average keeper with a year left on their contract.
I genuinely cannot understand sending Murphy Cooper out to League 1 when Walsh has barely even played at that level, then giving him the starting spot. for all the improved squad building this season this is one part of it that just smacks of Football Manager. [Post edited 26 Oct 22:20]
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| Is it Hamer time? on 22:23 - Oct 26 with 1991 views | wombat |
| Is it Hamer time? on 22:18 - Oct 26 by Jigsore |
the most illustrious part of Joe Walsh's career is 7 appearances for Accrington in LEAGUE 2 a few years back. Sure, it's different for goalkeepers but he's barely played any senior football at all.
It's definitely a slap in the face to a keeper in Nardi with 300 appearances, who's moved his family nowt but a year ago to be here. You aren't making bank off an average keeper with a year left on their contract.
I genuinely cannot understand sending Murphy Cooper out to League 1 when Walsh has barely even played at that level, then giving him the starting spot. for all the improved squad building this season this is one part of it that just smacks of Football Manager. [Post edited 26 Oct 22:20]
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Marie’s always been poor with dealing with crosses since he arrived , he has this habit of of making a step forward then quickly thinking nope I’m going back do defence thinks hang on he’s going to punch , catch it, then next second he’s back on his line , cooks hammers him most home games for doing it millwall had chance to come out close the Aval space , steps forward the. Slightly to the side / they score second attempt , sat easiest lob ever no pace defence is thinking he must come and come for this one , step forward then whoops back on his line define hesitates header won , at hie age he’s not going to change his game no matter who’s coaching him ! |  |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 22:39 - Oct 26 with 1961 views | Jigsore |
| Is it Hamer time? on 22:23 - Oct 26 by wombat |
Marie’s always been poor with dealing with crosses since he arrived , he has this habit of of making a step forward then quickly thinking nope I’m going back do defence thinks hang on he’s going to punch , catch it, then next second he’s back on his line , cooks hammers him most home games for doing it millwall had chance to come out close the Aval space , steps forward the. Slightly to the side / they score second attempt , sat easiest lob ever no pace defence is thinking he must come and come for this one , step forward then whoops back on his line define hesitates header won , at hie age he’s not going to change his game no matter who’s coaching him ! |
assuming Marie is Nardi (maybe i'm 20-30 years too young for this one?) then we're really just talking about getting to the end of the season, unless recalling Cooper and loaning one of the other two out is something the club thinks is possible and preferable.
we're not talking about Nardi changing, we know his weaknesses so you'd hope we can do our best to cover them.
Nothing i've seen from Walsh has convinced me at all, and he has the added complication of never having played first team football for any consistent amout of time. We don't need a GK coach we need a shrink. | |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 00:52 - Oct 27 with 1856 views | johncharles |
Terrible defending. You can’t leave a GK in a 2 against 1 situation. Amateurish |  |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 06:36 - Oct 27 with 1770 views | QPROslo |
| Is it Hamer time? on 21:08 - Oct 26 by Northernr |
You don't buy that it may have some effect upon a person's confidence, esteem and ability to do their job that upon returning to work after a summer holiday your boss turns round to you and says actually we think you're pony, we're replacing you with the work experience lad and you should look for a new employer ASAP, and then turns round six weeks later and says actually we do want you now after all can you just go back to doing what you were doing before please?
They're professional footballers, but they're still human.
Like I say, this is a re-run of what happened with Paal - another flawed but pretty reliable squad member who was got at last season. |
Do you know that was almost exactly what was said to Nardi? Or could it have been more like we are going to give Walsh a go as he's done well when called on. | | | |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 06:39 - Oct 27 with 1767 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
We've hot two players in key areas, GK and CB, neither of whom are wanted by the club, and will be gone in 8 months, yet are both playing a lot of games.
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| Is it Hamer time? on 07:05 - Oct 27 with 1735 views | Rsole |
It feels like the most surreal episode of Dragons Den at times…..
Yeah, we don’t think you’re particularly investable but we need to you work for us anyway because we can’t find anyone else / at least until we can find an exit to cover our losses.
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| Is it Hamer time? on 07:39 - Oct 27 with 1682 views | gazza1 |
| Is it Hamer time? on 22:00 - Oct 26 by daveB |
yeah watched it earlier, I agree Nardi could have come for it but when he doesn't Norrington Davies could have done a lot better to stop the first header and someone anyone could have tracked Morris to stop him walking in to a tap in. I'll stick with it's not all on Nardi, he's partly to blame but not fully for me. It was a collective piss poor goal to concede. |
You think what you like Dave, you say 'could' have come, the word 'should' be used not could. Nardi was 95% at fault for the goal, he must command the 6 yard box, it's in the goalkeeping manual. We do not concede the goal if he comes and catches the ball - end of.
Anyways, I'm done with this thread | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 10:38 - Oct 27 with 1526 views | TheChef |
| Is it Hamer time? on 15:00 - Oct 26 by daveB |
so when he doesn't do that we all just stop and point fingers at the keeper? The defenders were allowed to continue marking Morris and had a chance to win the header across goal as well
As I say was poor all round rather than all on one person |
Agreed Dave - this one at least you can't pin solely on Nardi.
But we do need a better option in goal if we want to progress/get promoted (?!)
It's annoying because aside from Coventry it's a proper dogsh1t division this season; anyone who can get on a decent run of wins will put themselves in contention. Unfortunately we're just not consistent enough, which is why I think the top ten is still beyond us. |  |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 11:35 - Oct 27 with 1456 views | JamesB1979 |
| Is it Hamer time? on 10:38 - Oct 27 by TheChef |
Agreed Dave - this one at least you can't pin solely on Nardi.
But we do need a better option in goal if we want to progress/get promoted (?!)
It's annoying because aside from Coventry it's a proper dogsh1t division this season; anyone who can get on a decent run of wins will put themselves in contention. Unfortunately we're just not consistent enough, which is why I think the top ten is still beyond us. |
Is it really a poorer standard than normal this year? I’d say we have less rubbish teams, and less really top sides. But there’s more teams of a similar level in the middle and that standard is better I think. | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 11:47 - Oct 27 with 1429 views | daveB |
| Is it Hamer time? on 10:38 - Oct 27 by TheChef |
Agreed Dave - this one at least you can't pin solely on Nardi.
But we do need a better option in goal if we want to progress/get promoted (?!)
It's annoying because aside from Coventry it's a proper dogsh1t division this season; anyone who can get on a decent run of wins will put themselves in contention. Unfortunately we're just not consistent enough, which is why I think the top ten is still beyond us. |
yeah can see why the club pushed Walsh forward as number one although for me I'd have started season with Nardi and I think Walsh would have naturally replaced him at some point and had a lot more good will behind him
I can see us going for a new keeper in January, Dieng wouldn't surprise me | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 12:16 - Oct 27 with 1362 views | 7374Ranger |
| Is it Hamer time? on 14:13 - Oct 26 by Northernr |
Nardi’s got a known flaw in his game (if you’re playing for QPR there’s something wrong with you etc etc) that has been picked up on by the rest of the division since the first round of fixtures last season. He’s in poor form atm and cost us a goal yesterday and another at Sheff Wed (I’m still not having him as responsible for that Millwall one though).
A new more commanding goalkeeper will improve the team, and I’m sure they’ll do that if not in January then next summer. They’ve actually been pretty good of late at pinpointing weaknesses in the team and signing good solutions.
One thing that was said several times at the fans forum was all of this support staff is there “to put people in the best position possible to succeed”. Is bringing your first choice keeper back for pre season and telling him he’s being demoted for the youth team keeper, not wanted any more, free to find another club, then end up relying on him for 40 matches doing that? He’s lost a lot of confidence versus this time last year, which you probably would too. Not the first time we’ve done it either - same thing happened with Paal last year and his form dropped as well. |
Can't argue with the points you make.
He isn't particularly good at dealing with crosses, but he is at shot stopping. The way he was treated in the summer was appalling imo. Neither Hamer or Walsh will be better, so he should stay in the side for now.
The club tried to get Dieng back on loan in August, so perhaps they will try again in January. In the mean time the team will have to work harder at stopping the crosses or deal with them rather than rely on Nardi to come out and catch the ball.
Oh, and I agree with those who point out that Nardi has pulled of some match winning saves this season too. | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 12:33 - Oct 27 with 1323 views | TheChef |
| Is it Hamer time? on 11:35 - Oct 27 by JamesB1979 |
Is it really a poorer standard than normal this year? I’d say we have less rubbish teams, and less really top sides. But there’s more teams of a similar level in the middle and that standard is better I think. |
Well it feels like it to me.
You've got Coventry, and then everyone else is much of a muchness. | |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 12:36 - Oct 27 with 1315 views | R_from_afar |
| Is it Hamer time? on 15:00 - Oct 26 by daveB |
so when he doesn't do that we all just stop and point fingers at the keeper? The defenders were allowed to continue marking Morris and had a chance to win the header across goal as well
As I say was poor all round rather than all on one person |
I'm with you on this, Dave. Yes, it would've been ideal if Nardi had dealt with the ball over the top, but Morris runs unmarked from around the penalty spot, while all bar one of our outfield players pushes up waving their arms.
Someone makes a good point that we did only concede one, so perhaps Nardi is not as terrible as some are making him out to be.
A broader issue is that even with all the attacking players we now have, and 62% possession, we only managed one shot on target. Is that because Derby were defensively excellent, we were offensively poor, or a mixture of the two?
Whatever the answer, it's a concern. |  |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 12:38 - Oct 27 with 1313 views | Brighton_R |
| Is it Hamer time? on 09:04 - Oct 26 by stevec |
Been done three times I can remember with the ball over the top, Preston, Millwall and Derby plus a good few we got away with. Unusual in this Division nowadays.
4 points that would have us in the top 6. |
It was Walsh who hesitated for the Preston goal so that can't be pinned on Nardi.
But Nardi was responsible for both goals at Plymouth - despite making two great saves and a penalty save in that match. That's him in a nutshell. Terrific shot stopper, great at one-on-ones but lousy when the ball's in the air.
The Derby goal was his fault entirely. The ball was lobbed slowly into the six yard box meaning he had ages to track it. Every goalkeeper in the league comes for that and at least punches it clear if not gathers it. I loved him last year but he's become a liability and has got to be moved on in January. | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 12:52 - Oct 27 with 1284 views | R_from_afar |
| Is it Hamer time? on 19:37 - Oct 26 by daveB |
It's more that Nardi was told he had no future here same as Paal last summer so when they are then called upon and made first choice again as the replacements were crap the confidence is knocked as they know they are not wanted and mistakes creep in. |
AKA The Waddock-Bircham manoeuvre... | |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 12:59 - Oct 27 with 1266 views | R_from_afar |
| Is it Hamer time? on 21:21 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
It’s nothing like being replaced by the work experience lad. Footballers get dropped all the time and have to fight to get back in the side / squad. I’m not saying it hasn’t had an impact on him, who knows. Same thing happened to Cook and he’s reacted well. The issues with Nardi this season are same as last. More clubs just aware of it. |
"Footballers get dropped all the time and have to fight to get back in the side / squad".
Well yes, but he was unceremoniously dropped when we weren't even playing, during the closed season. | |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 14:15 - Oct 27 with 1183 views | wombat |
| Is it Hamer time? on 12:36 - Oct 27 by R_from_afar |
I'm with you on this, Dave. Yes, it would've been ideal if Nardi had dealt with the ball over the top, but Morris runs unmarked from around the penalty spot, while all bar one of our outfield players pushes up waving their arms.
Someone makes a good point that we did only concede one, so perhaps Nardi is not as terrible as some are making him out to be.
A broader issue is that even with all the attacking players we now have, and 62% possession, we only managed one shot on target. Is that because Derby were defensively excellent, we were offensively poor, or a mixture of the two?
Whatever the answer, it's a concern. |
most of the possesion was back to passing it slowly around the back four again , no balls over the top to mix if up a bit , it wqs very much a marti perfromacne sat slow nervous and farily attack free, neither madson or varanne will try and break into the box when we are attacking so its usually burrell or kone as the loan target to hit , field used to get into the box when he played a lot . sorry to say the madson experiemnet has been found out , wasnt hard to be honest stick a extra player in the middle and hes not effective | |
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| Is it Hamer time? on 14:44 - Oct 27 with 1114 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is it Hamer time? on 11:11 - Oct 26 by daveB |
easy to blame the keeper but if the defenders win the first header and one of them bothers to mark Morris then they don't score
I haven't seen it back but at the time I thought the ball was going away from the keeper and if he had gone for it they'd have scored anyway |
I suggest you do see it back. A good Championship keeper claims that all day in his sleep. |  | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 14:48 - Oct 27 with 1106 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is it Hamer time? on 13:52 - Oct 26 by daveB |
but we've seen with Nardi he is not good at this so his defenders know this and need to deal with the first header and the tap in. When Nardi has come running out for these he usually makes a mess of it |
So what you're effectively saying is that it's the defenders' fault because they know that Nardi doesn't come for crosses and therefore it's on them to cover his shortcomings. Great logic.
Sorry, this is the Championship, not Hackney Marshes. If our keeper usually makes a mess of trying to claim routine balls into the six yard box then the answer is to find a keeper who deosn't. | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 14:51 - Oct 27 with 1106 views | Northernr |
| Is it Hamer time? on 14:48 - Oct 27 by Benny_the_Ball |
So what you're effectively saying is that it's the defenders' fault because they know that Nardi doesn't come for crosses and therefore it's on them to cover his shortcomings. Great logic.
Sorry, this is the Championship, not Hackney Marshes. If our keeper usually makes a mess of trying to claim routine balls into the six yard box then the answer is to find a keeper who deosn't. |
But given we can't do that for another two months and 13 league games... | | | |
| Is it Hamer time? on 15:03 - Oct 27 with 1063 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Is it Hamer time? on 14:48 - Oct 27 by Benny_the_Ball |
So what you're effectively saying is that it's the defenders' fault because they know that Nardi doesn't come for crosses and therefore it's on them to cover his shortcomings. Great logic.
Sorry, this is the Championship, not Hackney Marshes. If our keeper usually makes a mess of trying to claim routine balls into the six yard box then the answer is to find a keeper who deosn't. |
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